The Odyssey - || Strategy And Discussion ||

I think PLD is the most serious point of failure but it's not something I could gear quickly if Burtgang was essential. All other T3 I've done (some V25). I left Arebati to last because I expected it to be the hardest. Mboze is fine with BST and BLU, Ngai still horrible though.

It's not even in the same realm of skill to control and calculate hate you have, when you also need to cure RUN, which also gives enmity and keep yourself exactly between RUN and DDs. Not to mention it will varies, because sometimes Arebati can be mean and spam the worst tp moves and suddenly you will need to cure more.
While using shadowbind is simple click on the ability and tab to right target (if you don't trust F8 to select right target).


This is not opinion, this is fact. Shadowbind might not be required, but it won't do any harm and will always help. In "best case scenario" PLD will have up to 1 minute+ more until add will start to smack it (which is especially welcomed on 2nd add on V25 if your PLD doesn't have Ochain/Duban). In worse case scenario it will give PLD time to take hate off DD. There is no scenario were properly used Shadowbind can bring negative effects, so there is no sense not to use it.


Another scenario where Shadowbind makes it super easy. Shadowbind the pig and instead of party running away, RUN runs away with Arebati and you can safely caper hate from pig to BRD.

Personally cant see burt being a requirement for holding a singular mob that you're likely going to be blocking the majority of hits from

Have you been there on PLD, personally, with defense down aura? You will see a sure win slip out in fraction of seconds.

I'd not risk an arebati v25 clear on a person who didn't put the effort into making burt. What are you making ultimate weapons for if not for these situations?

He's talking about V20, not V25. If you die in a fraction of seconds to a single pig on V20 while blocking (probably with Reprisal up), Burtgang ain't gonna save you.

Burt is an emnity tool. The block rate on Dubin makes that extra PDT2 negligible.

Moralltach C or Excal would probably work just as well or better.

He never said he was talking about V20. His reply is to K123 that is actually referencing V25 and Burtgang.

There was another reference to bard holding one of the adds so, even in V25 the PLD could be tanking just one add.

Seems like you haven't changed huh, Maletaru?

Unless hes now shifted to doing V25, we're still on V20

What are you on about?

Exactly what you did above.

My comment was to a reply that referenced V25s and Burtgang. I was not replying to the whole thread.

Burtgang is not a requirement for V20 (we didn't even use PLD), but it is for V25.

Move on buddy.

Who referenced V25?

K123 (guy working on V20 Arebati): I'm not going to be able to build a PLD if it requires Burtgang
Nariont (in reply to K123): It's not required because you'll be blocking a single mob
You: Bringing up V25 strategies.
Me: This conversation is about V20, it will be fine
You: I was replying to a guy talking about V25

What the hell are you talking about?

Would you like to quote the person who was talking about BRD kiting 1/2 the adds in V25 as well, because I think I missed that.

You're misunderstanding the entire flow of the conversation, and I politely pointed that out. You don't have to get your panties in a twist because you were wrong, it's fine.

I was thinking about making a Duban since I'm sitting on 1m galli but really have no intention of becoming a PLD any time soon. I'll just have to get lucky with a PLD next time. Rest is all fine.

I really thought with power creep it would be possible to get away with no GEO but I don't think it is.

I know if it's up to you we would fill this thread with another 50 back and forth. So, i'm just gonna end it with a, again, Move on Buddy, comment.

Are you in Asura and need a PLD? I can help. If you guys have the other jobs I can probably come SCH and just take the hits myself so you don't lose geo.

Dubans a weird one in that its biggest increase is from S1 to S2, not to downplay the remaining stages but 20k to get essentially a better ochain is pretty silly

Really should have been a S3 and up effect, but not gonna complain about being able to skip an aby farm

I meant the 1m stage. Does that help much beyond the previous stage or only gets the MDT?

How can you tank pet on SCH? It stomped my RDM in a split second. Not sure how much DT was on, could have been caught in enfeebling miscast.

It certainly helps, mdt2 15, vit/mnd/eva/meva and a bit more shield skill, but it gains its size 6 property at s2 which is its main function as that what gives it the insane block rate, most cases where magic is the primary concern, aegis is going to be doing most of the work.

I meant specifically for the pig, does the rest change much for V20?

Someone can correct me if im mistaken but no, pigs all phys so the mdt aspect doesnt effect too much for that specifically

Having been the RUN tanking Arribati, I can say the BRD spamming songs on me wasn't useless. Sirvente + Ice Carol II + Ballad III (eventually) makes tanking that guy much less stressful.

Yes Pig is just a really mean physical machine of hasted triple attack nastiness. A good Paladin can laugh at them, provided the Pig is in the frontal arc.

Indeed. How many times was I close to dying, full dispel on magic defense down, only to see carols saving my freezing butt.

Doesn't HM give more attack than Minuet 3?

Yes, Honor March gives more attack than any Minuet other than V. I would also suggest that Hmarch (or Minuet III) gives more damage than an AGI Etude, though admittedly I'm not sure what Arebati's DEF is to know whether or not a RNG could hit the attack cap on him. Even still, in that scenario I would think that Aria > second AGI etude regardless.

For V25 we use HMarch, 3 minuet, 1 AGI etude on RNG, swap the etude for Dirge on COR.

If you aren't confident your RNG can keep up stacks of Hover Shot, safer to just give him Dirge to be safe. If you know they're going to keep HS up and stacks going, can give him the AGI Etude for more damage

For anyone struggling with Mboze v25, we tried a set up I havent seen used exactly before, but it had such good synergy it made it feel kind of easy. We even won with a few mins left with attack down aura after 40%.

KI1: RUN, BST, SMN, GEO, SAM, RDM

- RUN get 3k TP with lycurgos before entry. After SMN does warcry and TP bonus buffs, RUN prepares runes for a water rayke and pulls mboze, and holds it without engaging. RDM debuffs (frazzle, silence, para, dia) and can buff/heal ppl as needed. Water rayke > SAM konzen > rana for darkness, BST mb purulent ooze for 10% hp down. SMN mewing.

- BST switches to beetle pet, uses killer instinct. Then gets leech out with call beast. RUN uses armor break, then maintains hate without engaging (can switch epeo). SAM can now start dding. DRK would work well here too - DRK attack advantage but SAM has a good SB to TP/WS ratio. SAM ate pukatrice egg +1 for att/sb and altered set to cap SB in TP and WS. BST and SMN alternate tp drainkiss and mewing, RDM keeps up debuff. Can apogee warcry/tp bonus if needs renewing, otherwise very steady. Sam can just ageha when armor break wears.

- GEO used geo-fury, indi-haste, entrust-frailty. BOG > bolster > BOG. If your geo needs sp1 for ki2 job, bolster isnt needed.

- RUN can stop hate nearer 75%, allowing SAM to tank Mboze. This means add will spawn on the RUN. If you want to you can tp add and ws boss at this stage, but under 75% going into KI2 is not required at all.

KI2: BLU, WAR, COR, BRD, PLD, WHM

- Songs were HM, Min x 3, Herc etude. Rolls Crooked chaos and sam. Usual whm buffs (full time auspice essential). Blu diamondhide, mighty guard (kept up full time with resets) and can phenilune embrace the war (unless its a new moon dont bother). BRD SV wind thren 2 under nitro at start to help armor break (War got 3k tp in lobby to armor break after invincible before switching to ikenga axe), silent storm, reaving and tickle.

- Recommended pull: Pld flash mboze to pull it, then war can voke mboze to get hate (pld still second on hate list) and hit it to spawn add on to the PLD.

- One of the funnest fights on BLU. Silent storm, tenebral crush or tourbillon under wisdom (after armor break), feather tickle and reaving wind so they are never off cooldown, mighty guard party, nat. med. yourself (and I diffusion this when we hit attack down aura and mighty guard was already maintainable for the rest of the fight), white wind support when needed, diamondhide when you have time so stoneskin prevents some tp gain, melee add and expacion boss (set had added sb). Used cocoon before adds popped. Sudden lunge landed on add to control it for a few secs but not required. Used crepe des rois, kept up battery charge, used emp+3 body in hybrid set and called for devotion to ensure always had mp (but i didnt need any viles like this so probably not all needed).

- PLD tanks both adds, can atonement them to solidify hate. Can majesty cure if needed. BRD, COR, WAR, BLU all meleeing add and ws boss, with 12/13 SB1 in tp and ws sets to make 50 with auspice, pukatrice egg/+1 and gear. COR and BRD savage blade, War used ikenga's axe, BLU expacion. Can wait for higher tp to limit tp feed on boss. If hate is strong on adds PLD could knights of round mboze also, but this is not required for dps check. War calls for rd/wc/rd to maximize ja's, keeping up tomahawk, warcry as much as pos etc. Blu leverages resets to full time mighty guard.

- WHM dia mboze, para adds, single target big cures prefered for more cureskin (preventing tp from hitting dmg), keeps up ausp/boost/hastes, devotion blu. High priority to paralyna BLU, as paralyzed reaving/tickle could be run ending.

Very limited RNG to deal with as no TP moves go off, and can probably handle any aura besides macc down under 40%. As I said we won with attack down under 40%, and Macc 75 to 40% is workable with SV wind thren 2 on. Meva down annoying due to add status ailments.

I think you need 21 SB1 to hit cap from Auspice + Ebers Duckbills +3 granting 29.

Sounds like it didn't matter though, nice write-up and congrats on your clear :)

That's right if you use another attack food, but as mentioned we used the pukatrice eggs for the remaining 8 (or 9 for a HQ) sb. Might be better off with adding another piece for 21 sb and using soy ramen or another big attack food if gear options allow without significant wsd drops, but the eggs worked well