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By Asura.Saevel 2018-02-12 12:20:36
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Asura.Sechs said: »
What type of elemental damage does the Pony deal?

As others have said it's light, and it's really easy to mitigate on RUN with appropriate gear and runes. The Pony is really weak compared to the Dullahan, it's only real mechanic is recovery during TP moves.
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By Lakshmi.Elidyr 2018-02-12 12:21:54
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Fenrir.Jumeya said: »
That's what we do, other groups reverse order. The first you kill seems weaker?

Horse:

Lance is high damage conal so placement is important.

While readying TP move, absorbs damage. Apply 4+ debuff and will almost always use Grace of Hera to remove them instead of other moves.

Dullahan

While Charging Up or Miasma >> Unload high DPS to break the build up. **Note that breaking the miasma always follows up with boiling**

While Boiling Over >> Stop all damage and feed TP using super weak spells to avoid the Pain Sync mechanic.

Try out on normal and work your way up if unsure, more breathing room on the boil over.

Thanks for that. Ill mess around soon as I have the time I really wanna finish my Tiz. :D
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By tyalangan 2018-02-12 12:22:21
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So, if I went BLU on Easy for weekly tome would Silent Storm work to keep him silenced avoiding needing a dispeller? Since, correct me if I'm wrong, it sounds like Geist Wall wouldnt work on Dullahan since dark-based?
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By Asura.Geriond 2018-02-12 12:43:21
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Silence does not block his actually problematic buffs, which are all from one of his TP moves (unless he gets really lucky with Absorb-Attri). If you don't have a light dispeller, you can still power through him; it'll just take longer and he'll do more damage.
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By Asura.Sechs 2018-02-12 12:47:18
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Asura.Sechs said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Senaki said: »
(I didn't catch what he did for horse, but you cannot use debuffing Geo spells on it)
Why?
Is this confirmed or you guys just assumed him to behave like the one in Reisenjima?
Any further comment on this? Is it confirmed? I've been using/seen used debuff bubbles in all runs I've joined so far, on VD, and Pony still went down fast without any major trouble or insane AoE damage like the Reisen one.
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By Fenrir.Jumeya 2018-02-12 12:52:56
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No difference in behavior on/off from our goes. Debuff applies as regular.
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By tyalangan 2018-02-12 12:58:18
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Asura.Geriond said: »
Silence does not block his actually problematic buffs, which are all from one of his TP moves (unless he gets really lucky with Absorb-Attri). If you don't have a light dispeller, you can still power through him; it'll just take longer and he'll do more damage.

Same with pony? If no debuffer (maybe Koru-Moru is enough?) do you just have to power through?
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By Fenrir.Jumeya 2018-02-12 13:02:40
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Dispel never lands. if no finale/blank gaze, power through
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-02-12 13:14:30
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Unicorn you can use whatever you want on. I've used Geo-Frail 30 times and nothing changes.

Already have 500k marks this month

It's even easier than the first frog was. Best Ambuscade yet.
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By tyalangan 2018-02-12 13:15:41
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Blank gaze, forgot!

tyalangan said: »
Same with pony? If no debuffer (maybe Koru-Moru is enough?) do you just have to power through?

By this I mean someone to debuff on Pony i.e. slow,para,etc X4 to keep pony in constant erasing state. If I dont have someone doing that he will just deal more damage to party and I'll just have to deal with it?
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By Pantafernando 2018-02-12 13:26:03
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Unicorn you can use whatever you want on. I've used Geo-Frail 30 times and nothing changes.

Already have 500k marks this month

It's even easier than the first frog was. Best Ambuscade yet.

Can win with less than 6?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-02-12 13:37:18
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Pantafernando said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Unicorn you can use whatever you want on. I've used Geo-Frail 30 times and nothing changes.

Already have 500k marks this month

It's even easier than the first frog was. Best Ambuscade yet.

Can win with less than 6?

4
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By clearlyamule 2018-02-12 13:40:32
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Unicorn you can use whatever you want on. I've used Geo-Frail 30 times and nothing changes.

Already have 500k marks this month

It's even easier than the first frog was. Best Ambuscade yet.
psh could tribox first frog in 3-4 minutes
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By Pantafernando 2018-02-12 13:53:53
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Pantafernando said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Unicorn you can use whatever you want on. I've used Geo-Frail 30 times and nothing changes.

Already have 500k marks this month

It's even easier than the first frog was. Best Ambuscade yet.

Can win with less than 6?

4

2 SMN GEO RUN?
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By Lakshmi.Elidyr 2018-02-12 13:54:21
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clearlyamule said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Unicorn you can use whatever you want on. I've used Geo-Frail 30 times and nothing changes.

Already have 500k marks this month

It's even easier than the first frog was. Best Ambuscade yet.
psh could tribox first frog in 3-4 minutes

How well geared do people need to be to do VD though?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-02-12 13:55:33
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Pantafernando said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
4

2 SMN GEO RUN?

Yeah
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By Pantafernando 2018-02-12 13:55:48
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Lakshmi.Elidyr said: »
clearlyamule said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Unicorn you can use whatever you want on. I've used Geo-Frail 30 times and nothing changes.

Already have 500k marks this month

It's even easier than the first frog was. Best Ambuscade yet.
psh could tribox first frog in 3-4 minutes

How well geared do people need to be to do VD though?

The first frog was too easy. Probably he was weaker than average NMs at his level due to its property of ignoring geo debuffs.
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By Phoenix.Gerrott 2018-02-12 20:31:16
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How well do Trueflight chains work on the dullahan? Looking to hopefully get my Ambus out of the way this weekend. I'd imagine a chain during charging would be a for sure death but if he is indeed weak to light elemental, should be very strong.
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By hobo 2018-02-12 20:59:05
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fusion to trueflight does work fine on dulahan assuming you have appropriate buffs and bursts, not some amazing result compared to last stand. And its *** on the pony, we swapped to distortion
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By Afania 2018-02-13 15:57:02
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Tried a bunch of VD melee runs with PLD, DRK, DD or COR, DD BRD, GEO, DD WHM, no KC TP feed though, just spam stone to feed TP.

Similar to that JP video, melee setup clear time seems to be around 8-10 min-ish depending on things, slower than COR x3 ranged attack setup (6 min) and it's more likely to have random death and shitty moment with melees.

I have no idea why ranged COR x3 setup kill so fast but melee setup can't seem to beat it despite melee jobs should be stronger than ranged jobs. I'm a better melee COR than ranged COR too, so it was kinda surprising. I'm guessing it's because COR x3 setup is 3 DD with 6 rolls that uses WS light SC with each other v.s melee setup with 2 real DD and 2 rolls using WS that don't SC that well. Since Ranged attack setup doesn't need a a healer, we get 1 extra pt slot for 3rd COR if we are not meleeing.

Also having to run out of range whenever it boils(you don't have to if you turn, but we all run out just to be safe) then run back in may also slow down DPS for melee, on the other hand ranged job just keep shooting without ever having to move.

As far as none SMN AC setup goes I would say COR x3 may be very hard to beat in terms of kill speed and efficiency just because of safety.

Edit: Just remembered we entered VD without idris, so forget it. The slower kill speed may be the result of weaker buffs, unless none idris can cap attack in VD. I can't remember if COR x3 pt had idris or not.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2018-02-13 16:07:10
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What rolls did you use Afaina?

Assuming Chaos, SAM, Allies, Tactician's, Rogue's, Hunters?
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By clearlyamule 2018-02-13 16:09:34
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Lakshmi.Elidyr said: »
clearlyamule said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Unicorn you can use whatever you want on. I've used Geo-Frail 30 times and nothing changes.

Already have 500k marks this month

It's even easier than the first frog was. Best Ambuscade yet.
psh could tribox first frog in 3-4 minutes

How well geared do people need to be to do VD though?
If you meant frog basically only needed gear up to alluvion skirmish. Heck a bunch of people were soloing N/D. And this was the 2nd frog.

This idk. It certainly is easy but nothing compared to frog
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By Afania 2018-02-13 16:12:44
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
What rolls did you use Afaina?

Assuming Chaos, SAM, Allies, Tactician's, Rogue's, Hunters?


CC: chaos, Sam, hunter. None CC: tact, allies, misers.

Maybe Rogues is a better choice than misers, I'm not sure.

You may want to check your buff combinations and acc requirement, maybe it's more ideal to CC allies instead of hunter depending on buff combinations.
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By Asura.Saevel 2018-02-13 16:21:34
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Dullahan's are generally not melee friendly anyway, if you pull hate their shield block will dramatically reduce your damage, along with it's various bad TP moves. Ranged / Magic can damage it without having to worry about that stuff.
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By Afania 2018-02-13 16:28:37
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I guess, it's MUCH easier to find a serious melee player than a serious ranged COR player though. So for majority of people going for none SMN setup, melee may still be the way to go.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-02-13 16:30:00
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Question, for some reason Samurais do -horrible- this month as dd's.

Can't figure out why... It's not a matter of bad.

Mediocre CDC does 10k, mediocre Blade:Shun does 8k, well geared fudo does 2k. it's not a shield problem, it's not a buffs problem, its not a dispel problem, it's not food.

I'm thinking it's the first hit does reduced damage, but haven't put effort into verifying.

fudo, crushes the pony.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2018-02-13 16:33:13
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Try Tachi Jinpu spam with Frailty + Malaiseeeeee. You can skillchain forever.
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By Leviathan.Katriina 2018-02-13 16:40:29
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Question, for some reason Samurais do -horrible- this month as dd's.
Overwhelm?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-02-13 16:48:29
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Cannot utilize overwhelm, unless you like doing 1% damage to shields.

and,
Asura.Eiryl said: »
it's not a shield problem
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By Leviathan.Katriina 2018-02-13 16:52:13
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I mean you already have low damage since you're not facing it.
And if Bulwark was up, you wont even deal damage..
Also 2k is way lower than normal, should be around 10-12k on VD
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