IiPunch - Monk Guide

He doesn't. He claims to not know the discussion is about kill speed and "MNK dps is trash" (which is a kill speed issue), but a quick glance at the last few pages, and this is literally the exchange on nearly every other MNK post:


It's amazing seeing players who have a surface-level understanding of things rooted in complete bias stubbornly oppose any details disproving their beliefs of the job. It's as if no amount of proof or evidence would ever convince them otherwise. Truly lol

This is real summeraize of this pointless discussion:
Ruau: Here is the video of MNK NIN killing faster than RUN SAM.

DirectX: But it's not changing anything. I'm not going to spend 200m on HQ and aeonics to gear MNK.

DirectX: Nobody give a damn about MNK killing faster, it's just 3 min. And Kin is easy anyways.

DirectX: I like SAM WAR.

DirectX: I don't dislike MNK.

Thanks for writing 5 pages of posts talking about your personal life in FFXI, and stating the obvious that everyone already know.

Me? Or buukki?

I agree with him often, but not every single time. We had disagreement on RUN and epeo just quite recently.

I agree with him most of the time because our thought process are similar, (besides the situations that we both go personal/emotional), nothing more and nothing less. To me it's always about the content of the post, not the people who wrote it.

I don't suck *** in FFXI(more like the otherway around considering how frenquent I keep myself away from people), though I do appreciate insightful comment from people regardless of who they are. if you think I sit on his *** then you don't know me well enough.

You said you are just replying people, but maybe you need to cool down and take a look at what you wrote. You already stated your opinion about how you feel about DDs. Then it's done already.

But everytime you reply you create more holes in your posts, that's how people keep replying more.

and no, nobody is aiming at you, nor care. It's all about the content of the post.

May want to take some of your own advice, dude.

Comeatmebro said that, though. You are just mad.

Saying someone isn't posting useful info isn't personal attack.

i'm not going to go back and check, but i'm going to guess you've got twice as many keystrokes into this argument as the next closest person(besides maybe saevel)

while we're talking irony

I get topic banned for an on topic picture, but this ***is allowed to go on and on and on and on.

I make the statement exactly the same as they are written. You talked about personal preference aka you like SAM and WAR, you said people will not bandwagon mnk. I just rephrase it as it is, and stated that everyone already know that.

YOU are the one who gave extra layer of meaning in my words and read them as personal attack, not I.

I don't block anyone, on any form of media. I see it as some sensitive snowflake ***, akin to a trigger warning or whatever.

I saw that the first time and debated making a snappy comment at the absurdity of it, but the truth is that whether or not I'm correct on MNK, there's not a single person reading this garbage that would believe you have a noteworthy level of intelligence.

If you are misconstrued, it's because you are doing a very poor job of conveying your point(s). It is a jumbled mess of thoughts and run-ons.

You are still missing the point by fixating on Kin and 3 minutes instead of the connotations.

Yeah, you said you have war and Sam geared and tend to play one or another. This is what you wrote.


So what's so personal attack about saying you prefer Sam and war because you have them?

I mean, why are you even offended because someone made that statement? If you have certain job geared, of course you prefer that job, or would you prefer a naked ungear job more?

And now I'm personal attacking you for saying you prefer a job you have geared for. Wtf.


That wasnt the point of discussion. This isnt omen thread. The point of entire discussion is how theoretical dps ceiling has no real impact in game because of design. Not best setup for omen runs.

He wasn't getting the main point to begin with, and accuse anyone who try to direct the discussion to the right direction as personal attack.

I didn't say that.

I said this:
DirectX: I like SAM WAR.

And this:
Thanks for writing 5 pages of posts talking about your personal life in FFXI,

I said you like Sam and war because you have the gears for them, and you spent 5 pages talking about what your like. That's all I said.

And now I'm personal attacking you and twisting your words Into " war and Sam is better for kin"? Where did that came from.

If you like orange, and tell everyone how you like orange, will you be mad if someone said you like orange? Why are you even offended when people said you like something?

You definately mistake me as someone else that you argue with. The person who attack you is someone else, not me.

A bit back on topic: so at what point does MNK's Subtle Blow/Penance trick start producing diminishing returns to the point where the tp feed between a subtle blow setup and a non-subtle setup is too close to matter? What's the magic number of dps, 3?

That's where I would say it loses all effect. But without hard proof of concept. Unless said 3rd/4th dds were also specifically geared to cap their subtle blow too.

For instance, in the example, if the cor (in standard tp set) also meleed, it probably would've nearly negated all subtle blow.

No, it is not. I'm just replying you because you don't seem to get what's going on and accuse anyone replying you as jerks personal attacking you, I'm just making it clear that we are not attacking you.


That's not ranting though.


I'm not even arguing. At first I made the conclusion of "theoretical dps doesnt always equal to real kill speed" based on info from the video.

Then when direction turn into you v.s everyone else I made a note that you are posting personal preference on forums.

I made a few note about dyna popular jobs when you mention dyna, that's it.

I'm not attacking you, nor trying to prove that you are wrong, and I don't get why are you offended.



Yeah sure, your choice. Others may choose differently. I personally never blist anyone on forums, and just address and face whatever issue that pops. You are different, that doesn't mean I have to do the same as you.

With all MNKs, even 4 of them will have a measurable decrease in TP usage. Otherwise, 2 MNKs and one other 50SB DPS should still have a measurable decrease. Anything past that and TP frequency should be approaching maximum.

Note that another thing not mentioned frequently enough is the monster's actual TP value. Even if the monster is TPing every 10-11 seconds, the subtle blow setup will be eating 1000-1200TP while the other setup will be frequently eating higher values. We don't know how mob FTP scales on their bigger weaponskills, but I would not be surprised if that caused a notable reduction in WS strength.

This goes back to the "safer" method argument, where more time between tp moves gives larger reaction window, easier for mages, etc