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Treasure Hunter Effectiveness
Ragnarok.Flippant
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By Ragnarok.Flippant 2011-01-28 15:02:15
It's just random. I've gotten three procs in a row once on some Scar seal NM, but I've killed harder NMs for 15+ minutes (sometimes have to wait for proc, but I keep SA/TAing) with no procs at all.
And yes, tons of Abyssea NMs that have gone hateless.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-28 15:03:57
Cerberus.Kylos said: Notice how THF got critical hit bonus at 78+? Maybe critical hits play a big part in the procing of TH effectiveness, which is why it would be great to have a WAR in your party to do blood rage and increase this even further. Or you could use razed ruins.
oh wait, you don't like abyssea, nvm
Cerberus.Tikal
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2011-01-28 15:04:23
Crits do not affect it Kylos, and this is easily proven. In Abyssea you can achieve almost 100% Crit hit ratio, and THFs do not have better luck on TH in or out. It is an inherent trait of Sneak Attack and Trick Attack.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-28 15:07:25
Probably helps that SA and TA were specifically mentioned in the update notes, but I wouldn't expect the OP to have the mental capacity to have observed that.
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2011-01-28 15:07:52
Ragnarok.Flippant said: It's just random. I've gotten three procs in a row once on some Scar seal NM, but I've killed harder NMs for 15+ minutes (sometimes have to wait for proc, but I keep SA/TAing) with no procs at all.
And yes, tons of Abyssea NMs that have gone hateless.
Thanks that saves me going out there later and testing lol :)
Cerberus.Tikal said: Crits do not affect it Kylos, and this is easily proven. In Abyssea you can achieve almost 100% Crit hit ratio, and THFs do not have better luck on TH in or out. It is an inherent trait of Sneak Attack and Trick Attack.
Aw what a shame lol, i thought it just made sense, i guess the only way to increase procs is to be in a party, have haste on constantly, SA and TA as much as possible and not kill the mob til you sure you got as much effectiveness as u can.
Phoenix.Kirana
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-01-28 15:36:51
Shiva.Xellith said:
Thief's Knife
Asassins Armlets
TH3 trait. So you only had TH5 intial, and procced up 5 times. Assuming he didn't have +2 feet and treasure hound was not up, this refutes the +4 max proc theory.
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2011-01-28 15:38:22
Yes it does, this is why i asked how many times he proc'd it, but never got a response back
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2011-01-28 15:40:42
By the way i never blocked anyone on this forum before, but i blocked tigerwoods + vegetto, he can say what he likes, i really do not care anymore, good riddance
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2011-01-28 15:41:50
You care enough to have blocked me.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2011-01-28 15:44:38
+ Server merge (had to change name, etc.) =
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2011-01-28 15:45:46
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Bismarck.Maxse
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2011-01-28 15:49:02
Cerberus.Kylos said: By the way i never blocked anyone on this forum before, but i blocked tigerwoods + vegetto, he can say what he likes, i really do not care anymore, good riddance
OP is a retard and has to broadcast that he blocked someone. Here's a tip no one cares. And don't be butthurt just because tiger got irritated at you when he tried to help you and you keep acting like you are discovering something.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-28 15:50:23
He called me cool by the way when he thought I was Vegetto. Then he deleted it when he found out tiger = vegetto.
Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2011-01-28 15:50:38
He did nothing to help me, he just wanted to upset me for the sake of it, all i wanted to do is discuss Treasure hunter effectiveness, nothing else
If you have to call me a retard then your no good then he is
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Bismarck.Maxse
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2011-01-28 15:52:08
Cerberus.Kylos said: He did nothing to help me, he just wanted to upset me for the sake of it, all i wanted to do is discuss Treasure hunter effectiveness, nothing else
First response he gave you pointed you to plenty of information on the subject. And you go paraphrasing here"cool story bro I don't like bg"
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Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2011-01-28 15:55:03
Actually reading all of that, it seems like its still under discussion, and there is no post about this in this forum, and i never use BG.
That is what i said, i never said i dont like BG, just that i dont use it, which is why i did not know all the facts about treasure hunter effectiveness, also i felt by putting a post of it here would help other players to understand it further, he made it out like what i was doing was completely wrong.
If he continued to be helpful in the thread like other players, then i would have seen no problem, dasva went off subject too and couldnt understand some things i said, but he didnt call me a moron for it
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-28 15:58:20
I didn't call you a moron till you said you could care less rather than couldn't.
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By Diabolos.Artfuldodger 2011-01-28 16:02:41
A lot of topics on BG are 'still under discussion' technically speaking. No one's responded in a month in that thread because most of those conclusions have been accepted by the ffxi community. You might think Tigerwoods is abrasive, but you can't say he didn't contribute to the thread.
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Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2011-01-28 16:03:31
Im not posting anymore in this thread, its run its course, thanks to all the players who give great feedback and screenshots on your TH effectiveness, ill even thank tigerwoods for directing me to that BG forum.
Peace :)
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-28 16:06:36
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Bismarck.Altar
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By Bismarck.Altar 2011-01-28 16:14:09
Can this thread now be about bringing back the dancing chicken guy?
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2011-01-28 16:17:03
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By Leviathan.Gotterdammerung 2011-01-28 16:24:44
just had to wade thru 4 pages filled with horseshit to get to 1 page worth of info. Get hit by a truck already.
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By Sylph.Siccmade 2011-01-28 16:28:51
I know right, the dancing chicken man should have been on page one.
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Quetzalcoatl.Nooblet
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By Quetzalcoatl.Nooblet 2011-01-30 16:13:04
Sorry if that came out a bit small.
TH12. Was wearing TH knife/hands/feet. Was not using the TH atma.
By juro 2011-01-30 16:57:02
Quetzalcoatl.Nooblet said:
Sorry if that came out a bit small.
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Fenrir.Momohko
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By Fenrir.Momohko 2011-01-30 17:03:54
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Cerberus.Kylos said: Blue? Red !! increases drop rate on atma and key items (I say increases because they are not 100% drop there is still a small chance of not getting).
Grellow !! increases drop rate on magian armor upgrade items
Blue !! increases drop rate on regular drops.
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Abyssea
Look at weakness triggering for details.
hmm when you say magian wep upgrats I hope your not talking about things like iron plates and such because tbh I have been working on my plates currently 26/50 and everytime blue is procced 2 plates drop when blue is not proc only 1 plate regardless of TH or other procs I have also seen this with other e wep items ~
I have noticed there is no thread here that discusses this new addition to the game.
Since i come back to FFXI a few weeks ago, i can honestly say im not an abyssea person, what i have noticed is that the majority of players are out doing abyssea while older content is left alone, therefore demand for certain drops have increased a lot, due to the overwhelming job leveling of jobs like WHM and NIN.
When i started to farm, i noticed i would get Treasure Hunter Effectiveness.
At the moment i have THF 90 (TH3) plus a Thiefs Knife and Assassin Armlets +1, this brings me to TH5(TH3+2 to some people) and its really helped with those rare drops.
When i first started using TH5, often i could get Treasure Hunter effectiveness 7 early on in a fight, then it would go up to 8 after some work and stop there, but for some odd reason, one day i come back online and it had changed, so i only get 6 at the start, and 7 max.
Im still using the exact same gears for TH5, tried switching daggers around, but i can never reach TH effectiveness 8 again, im wondering if anybody else noticed the same thing?
Its hard to show any evidence into exactly how TH effectiveness works, i do know that if you have less TH, (i have been thf 90 before and took out my armlets and thiefs knife) like if you have TH3, the effectiveness went down to 4 > 5 although this was when my TH5 was doing a max of 8
The only time i have noticed my effectiveness have an impact on drops was in a Dynamis Tavnazia run, its very difficult to get effectiveness to go up in dynamis due to the speed the mobs die, but more often then not, if i got some effectiveness on it, we had 1-2 drops from the monster.
Let me know what you think. :)
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