[XIV] Tanaka Debunks Fatigue Rumours

Nice find Flion~
These rumors were bothering the heck out of everyone.

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I didnt D: Would of thought they'd learn from past mistakes

If you guys think MMO companies are all going to continue designing games that give hardcore players absolute, linear time-investment v. reward advantages over casual players, you're sadly mistaken.

FF11 failed to generate its target subscription base, and got mixed reviews, because it was a level treadmill game where someone who had 40 hours a week to play could always get twice as far as someone who had 20 hours. And it took years of such investment to reach the "top."

There just isn't the market for many more of these, guys. Hardcore folks are too expensive, they don't pay enough, and there aren't enough of them. You must attract casual players or you'll die.

I agree that the limitations as stated seem a bit low, and hope SE clears up the rumors. But even as currently framed, there are other advantages to playing even if you're not gaining experience on a specific job / skill set. Think about farming, quests, etc. All things that are immensely valuable to those with more free time than others.

No, you might not hit level 75 (or whatever) 100x faster than someone who only has a few hours a week to play, but it'll also mean the game might not get as bashed in the press and scare off potentially millions of users because there's no way to compete unless you have gobs of free time. (Like FF11 did.)

Yes cus SE is famous for clearly explaining how things work...

This^ So many potential subscribers veered off FFXI just because it took so much time to even get into the game, let alone catch up with players who have been playing for a year(s).

8 hours a day does seem kind of restricting, but it could also work as a way to prevent overcrowding in XP camps, which was a huge problem when FFXI landed.

So we pay a monthly fee to be limited on what we can do so our exp goes down? i would understand if the game was free but if i pay a monthly fee for a game i wanna do what i want to

I never played WoW and never will but thats a nice system

We are paying to play, they can do other things to help casual people such as EXP boosts when they are off for certain periods of time. Restricting Hardcore players is a big no no and many people(supposedly) have cancelled their preorders, i hope they take off the fatigue

All online games have rules, algorithms and limitations. SE have also yet to take a stance on this and prove/disprove the criticisms.

In truth it's slow paced always. MMOs work under a time vs reward system. Everything in FFXI, even travelling, takes a lot of time. Fortunately they seem to be breaking away from that with 6man and solo content.

Maybe. FFXI still falls into routine through doing x event over and over and over so we can get x item to improve our performance so that we can do the same event over and over but a little more efficiently. It's quite demoralising for casuals, though they probably would've stuck around if only a little longer if they could XP faster.

I agree, 8hrs/day would be more realistic, or they could simply reduce the XP curve so it's only a small % of the overall gameplay.

Bit late to the party but;

This

Especially when you have Work, School and Homework. Yeah it'll limit hardcore gamers who are unemployed or dropped out of school, but if S-E wants a bigger fanbase, they have to limit how hardcore a game is.

Besides, it gives the hardcore gamers playing more jobs and testing out what they would like to do.

Well if they do this they will only get casual players but if they make a system that works for both then they get a larger playerbase so we will see.

Ultimately depends, Casual players would outnumber hardcore MMOers thus increasing profit. Finding a perfect balance is pretty difficult, but yeah, I don't think 8hrs/week is feasible, even as much as I hate XPing.

sure the one hour system might be false but still

http://kotaku.com/5621786/final-fantasy-xivs-play+limiting-fatigue-system-explained

so basically you have 15 hours a week to play a job before you don't get XP

that just awful, I'm sorry if you're doing something like that, you better have a crap ton of jobs, not like 8

I find it funny that they go from FFXI were the game yells at you for not grinding to FF14 where the games yells at you for grinding

I still they should just give like XP boosts for 8 hours a week then have XP goto like a flat amount or something.

I don't mind with giving casual players rewards, but punishing hardcore players seems kind of silly.

also it comes off as "We want people to play this game for months if not years, what better way to keep people playing then to put up articfical boundaries!"

I was hoping for Tia Tanaka to announce this...but...
But this is cool, too.

there will be 18 jobs avail when you start ffxiv

http://kotaku.com/5621786/final-fantasy-xivs-play+limiting-fatigue-system-explained

sup flion

Edit: i know its already been linked, but i just woke up

already posted by shiroi

Me and flion were going back and forth yesterday, so i just wanted to point out that it is in fact more then 11%.

Wouldn't this fatigue system just make it worse than ffxi is now as far as new people joining the game? I mean some people who have been playing months in FF14 will be semi high level and new people just getting into wont be able to catch up due to the exp limitation, right? or did I read it wrong

Depends how they implement it, if they even do. Majority of the people who have a problem with it are FFXI players, who don't generally like the idea of XIV being so much different (which realistically can't be helped. No point re-releasing the exact same game with better graphics.) Really though, casual players won't care so much since they won't XP too long and will bounce from job to job, this is really just an issue for hardcore players. I'm still hoping the rumours are false honestly.

I agree with you also, otherwise it will also end like Aion, major grindfest that turned away casual people to only have hardcore people grinding non stop, and in the end, they got fed up quickly of the game because they hit 50 really fast and got fed up with the content, to the point that the game quickly died and is down to 4 servers now that are also dying.

Also I agree about the press, the first impressions means everything for a lot of people. Even if they improve over time it already turned away a lot of people because of the first impressions they had, mainly casual players.

I don't consider crafting a 'job'... or do you consider FF11 to have 29 jobs?

And how many of those 18 are crafting? Because crafting in 14 is the absolute worst system I've ever seen of any MMO and I've seen some tragic ***. They keep coming up with reasons why people aren't going to play this game.