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 Fairy.Basilo
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By Fairy.Basilo 2010-04-09 10:54:08
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Bismarck.Yor said:
Bahamut.Raenryong said:
Skill will make Bind land which can save your *** though. My Bind/Grav:
I see a gleeman's cape rdm is pointing out the fact I use prudence torque. Oh I forgot to mention I dont waste time doing nyzul or either I've inventory space for ele grips, yet I never got problem with bind :)
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My MND-heavy: Swap second wand for Muse Tariqah if not /nin. I have a Mahatma Hat if the mob is REALLY non-resistant. My RDM really needed salvage gear :(
Can't even think where this would actually apply on anything worthing time


Skim reading through this pictures naturally easier to look at of course, I suggest anyone messing around with bind builds tries less skill for macc and int. I say this from blm experience where skill cap with gear puts me around 295ish, 15macc and 120int ish. But I swear ive had binds sucessfully hold during nukes more than any rdm ive been with duo/endgame etc, thats over 5yrs blm otherwise I wouldnt have the cheek to say something sounds so ridiculous. And tbh 295skill pretty reliable for most things bar HNM.

So basically Raen's bind/grav build he posted id use sturm's report, morri hands and legs, and swap snow for balrahns. And possibly even body to errant. But yea 295skill ive felt damn safe with as blm for years now cant see why youd want to push it that much higher.
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By Fairy.Basilo 2010-04-09 11:01:11
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I cant add up lol grip 2macc, clogs 2macc, ring1 3macc, ring2 4macc, ammo 2macc, hands 5macc, waist 2macc, thats 20 sorry not 15. Abut 295ish skill, im logged off atm and 77base int +35ish wiv food.
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By Pandemonium.Nalien 2010-04-09 11:04:04
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BRB overusing overused memes.

Just a quick notice , that dumb *** from earlier tried stroking his *** over Haub+1 and Cuchulain's or whatever ***he got.

Wasn't the point of focus either, though.
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By Pandemonium.Nalien 2010-04-09 11:04:34
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Oh noes I'm 0/10 on Altruistic Cape and give up, but I got rank10 so I finished this game.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-04-09 11:12:34
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You are so mad. Seriously. Go and hug your relic and pretend it means something, please.
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By Fairy.Basilo 2010-04-09 11:16:14
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Wtf you on about Nalien?^^ lol

I cant see how or if its followed on from what ive said at all... and tbh only thing I am saying is perhaps rdms out there try less skill for more macc is all if you havent already tried. U know stuff like tier1-3 znm, limbus zones, any mob upto and including inc tough solo nuke/grav technique, really dont need 340skill for these just pointing out the fact a blm 295 skill sees 1 resist on sleep2 on inc tough lamia like every 30hours same would be for limbus mobs.

And that perhaps because i got more macc despite lower skill im seeing more binds hold after nukes than with rdms ive been with? thats more of a question and observation at same time.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-04-09 11:16:19
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Bahamut.Raenryong said:
You are so mad. Seriously. Go and hug your relic and pretend it means something, please.

I told you it was because you only have rank 10 in one nation...
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-04-09 11:18:32
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The (semi)proven results for macc vs stat are:

1 macc = 1 macc (shocking I know)
1 INT/MND/CHR(?) in relevant spell = 1 or 0.5 macc depending on d(INT/MND/CHR(?))
1 skill = 1 macc
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By Lakshmi.Aeyela 2010-04-09 11:22:42
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Oh noes I'm 0/10 on Altruistic Cape and give up, but I got rank10 so I finished this game.



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By Pandemonium.Nalien 2010-04-09 11:23:11
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BLM should have more than just 295 Enfeebling aswell.
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By Pandemonium.Nalien 2010-04-09 11:23:27
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Viva Shitalia.
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By Pandemonium.Nalien 2010-04-09 11:24:06
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Bahamut.Raenryong said:
The (semi)proven results for macc vs stat are:


Now go try your own ***.

Ever wondered why Bind doesn't break at times? Oh
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-04-09 11:26:34
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Then what do you have an inflated ego over?

I only listed that gear because the other guy said that a MND-heavy Slow/Para set is not useful on anything worth a damn, and I consider NMs which make you a hell of a lot of cash most definitely worth a damn.

You've lost this argument. You've been trying to tell me I know nothing since the start and yet cannot grasp that 7 > 5 and 7 > 2.5. If you concede Enfeebling Torque is better then that resolves the argument! I don't see why this is continuing.
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By Fairy.Basilo 2010-04-09 11:27:04
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Bahamut.Raenryong said:
The (semi)proven results for macc vs stat are: 1 macc = 1 macc (shocking I know) 1 INT/MND/CHR(?) in relevant spell = 1 or 0.5 macc depending on d(INT/MND/CHR(?)) 1 skill = 1 macc

Meh so theyre identical then really skill vs macc. Still swapping your hands to morri, snow to balrahns and tathlum to sturms report isnt wrong in me saying that still I guess. And having bothered to check wiki now again over definition of macc :

"Raising Magic Accuracy directly increases the chance that a spell will land on the target without resistance. However, the potency of the spell (e.g. the potency of paralyze or duration of another status effect spell) is not affected by simply raising Magic Accuracy. Attributes such as INT and MND raise the potency of their corresponding spells".

Guess im wrong in saying that the macc in my build is the reason I see my binds hold more after a nuke than from binds ive seen off rdms using less macc.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-04-09 11:28:30
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Now go try your own ***.

Personal experience means more than thousands of carefully tested trials? Holy ***, I've been so blind. This is as bad as saying "People say Hagun beats Shinsoku but I just parsed vs a Hagun user with a Shinsoku and won, so Shinsoku is better and they are wrong!" - why would my personal experience mean anything?
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Ever wondered why Bind doesn't break at times? Oh

It's a random chance based on the level of the target against your level. Hence why Groundskeepers will stay bound after a nuke often but you will almost never see it with Zip/Faust/etc.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-04-09 11:29:55
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Still swapping your hands to morri, snow to balrahns and tathlum to sturms report isnt wrong in me saying that still I guess.

Nah, I agree with all of those swaps. I just don't own any of those pieces of gear :P I was working on Sturm's Report, I chose lolUlthalam's and Salvage I have never really bothered with.

INT has been proven to affect Blind somewhat, they have not been proven on Bind/Grav.
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By Fairy.Basilo 2010-04-09 11:30:03
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Pandemonium.Nalien said:
BLM should have more than just 295 Enfeebling aswell.

"Should" lol gtfo you may claim to know your rdm ***but not your blm, it can reacher higher yes but not by much im lacking 5 skill cape and 2 from feet where I choose to use goliard. That is the only enfeeb skill im lacking.
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By Pandemonium.Nalien 2010-04-09 11:35:06
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Personal experience over a course of six years does mean more, yes.
You can use those tests as a basic , but taking anything for granted just makes you an ignorant fool.

Oh ***, Global Warming go.

Go get Cynoprosopi or the like to stay bound after a nuke, then come back here.


There is endless gaps between parsing a weapon AGAINST -ANOTHER- person, as they're mostly just gimp as hell and you could outparse them with a Warp Cudgle. On two weapons which are fully known and understood you can actually mathematically prove the superiority of one, which you couldn't if you based everything on assumptions.


Sidenote: Turtles are not worth a damn neither is Despot or whatever, sky is just for fun and passing time or for completely new people who still need to fund the fundaments of their equip.
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By Pandemonium.Nalien 2010-04-09 11:35:52
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I get just shy of 310 skill without Avocat's and my NQ Wizard's Coat and Lappas. Thank you.
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By Fairy.Basilo 2010-04-09 11:36:02
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Lakshmi.Aeyela said:
Pandemonium.Nalien said:
Oh noes I'm 0/10 on Altruistic Cape and give up, but I got rank10 so I finished this game.
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lmao.
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By Fairy.Basilo 2010-04-09 11:37:35
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Pandemonium.Nalien said:
I get just shy of 310 skill without Avocat's and my NQ Wizard's Coat and Lappas. Thank you.

Yar sub sch, real blms sub rdm.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-04-09 11:37:51
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Pandemonium.Nalien said:
I have no relic, ***.
Wow. So what makes you so much better then? I thought that was it since you mentioned your relic SAM.

All a lie...



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By Pandemonium.Nalien 2010-04-09 11:41:03
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Nope, said SAM was having a chuck following this thread.

And if you look carefully, I don't have /SCH either.
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By Fairy.Basilo 2010-04-09 11:48:58
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Fairy.Basilo said:
Pandemonium.Nalien said:
I get just shy of 310 skill without Avocat's and my NQ Wizard's Coat and Lappas. Thank you.
Yar sub sch, real blms sub rdm.
Pandemonium.Nalien said:
Nope, said SAM was having a chuck following this thread. And if you look carefully, I don't have /SCH either.

Lie.

Dont have time for liars.

Blm base enfeeb 230, merits + 16, back 5, legs (hq)11, you said u didnt use avocat, earring 3 neck 7 head (hq)11, body you said nq 10. So you got 293 skill you liar, and thats assuming you got hq legs and head.
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By Pandemonium.Nalien 2010-04-09 11:52:43
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Lie? How about you're a *** retard?

You didn't even list hands, aka your entire existence in this thread is moot.
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By Fairy.Basilo 2010-04-09 11:55:06
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Ok 297 with oracle hands my bad, it still isnt 310 so yes you are a liar lol.
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By Pandemonium.Nalien 2010-04-09 11:55:12
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Neither can you read it appears.
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By Fairy.Basilo 2010-04-09 11:56:05
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You love to swear dont you. :< /comfort.
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By Sylph.Vincentius 2010-04-09 11:58:59
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Best possible piece of gear you can use in hands slot is Master Caster's bracelets, which are +7. That brings you to 300, as long as Basilo's numbers are correct, so... Yeah.

Remove the stick. I realize you're German and all, but the Nazi revolution ended ages ago. Get over it.
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