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 Bismarck.Yor
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By Bismarck.Yor 2010-04-08 08:07:39
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Bahamut.Raenryong said:
Skill will make Bind land which can save your *** though.

My Bind/Grav:



I see a gleeman's cape rdm is pointing out the fact I use prudence torque.
Oh I forgot to mention I dont waste time doing nyzul or either I've inventory space for ele grips, yet I never got problem with bind :)
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My MND-heavy:



Swap second wand for Muse Tariqah if not /nin. I have a Mahatma Hat if the mob is REALLY non-resistant.

My RDM really needed salvage gear :(

Can't even think where this would actually apply on anything worthing time
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-04-08 08:14:21
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I see a gleeman's cape rdm is pointing out the fact I use prudence torque.
Oh I forgot to mention I dont waste time doing nyzul or either I've inventory space for ele grips, yet I never got problem with bind :)

Name a better cape which isn't Altruistic (0/10+ when I quit).
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Can't even think where this would actually apply on anything worthing time

All sky NMs, Faf/Nid, Khim (Para - use more accurate one for Slow), Turtle, just about any HNM. Fenny Prime, just about any NM I solo'd.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-04-08 08:17:40
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Basically using a Prudence Torque for Bind over a superior option you already own is a Denali Bonnet vs Walahra Turban debate. You might feel you "have no issues" with a Denali Bonnet, but you will still do better with Walahra Turban, even if it is much easier to get etc.
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By Pandemonium.Nalien 2010-04-08 08:25:15
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Turtle , lol

My Amano SAM is asking for your autograph , care to leave me a signature?
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-04-08 08:29:58
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Hey now, Turtle is serious business.



Had to save the day against this monster of a Turtle who devastated our BLMs. Ignore my gimpy nuke damage... I started in my high MP (= free nuke or 2 after Vert, not much chance of resist but max damage very low) set and was nuking so frantically that I forgot to switch back.

Which Amano SAM is this!
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By Bismarck.Yor 2010-04-08 08:31:12
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Bahamut.Raenryong said:

Name a better cape which isn't Altruistic (0/10 when I quit).

I see a cape which helps you with cures/enf and at the same time boosts out mp isn't the best cape a rdm can use the 85% of time Umbra/boxers/merciful rarely apps on rdm solo wise.

All sky NMs, Faf/Nid, Khim (Para - use more accurate one for Slow), Turtle, just about any HNM. Fenny Prime, just about any NM I solo'd.[/quote]

About anything worthing time i didn't mean any 2003 content that any naked rdm is able to make in a party or with a chainspell .
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-04-08 08:41:14
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About anything worthing time i didn't mean any 2003 content that any naked rdm is able to make in a party or with a chainspell.

Define what you mean then - which NMs won't this setup work against?

Also I'd love to see you solo some of the sky NMs naked (you can do Despot). And they are not worthwhile? I guess being able to afford

Mahatma Cuffs
Mahatma Slops
Mahatma Pigaches
Witch Sash
Communion Earring
Enfeebling Earring
Morion Earring +1
Snow Ring
Aqua Ring
All relevant HQ staves (no Fire/Light)
Haubergeon +1
Peacock Charm
Toreador's Ring
Cuchulain's Mantle
Blitz Ring
Cassie Earring
Umbra Cape
Full Darksteel +1 (minus Feet which I could NEVER FIND)
Most of Coral +1 (all pieces I could find)
Uncursing cash for Hecatomb Caps/Hands and 4/5 Zenith.

All in about 3~4 weeks of solo is pretty irrelevant? I'm not the best solo RDM going nor the best moneymaker, but from where I stand that is pretty worth your time.
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I see a cape which helps you with cures/enf and at the same time boosts out mp isn't the best cape a rdm can use the 85% of time Umbra/boxers/merciful rarely apps on rdm solo wise.

If you mean Prism, it's got 1 less INT/MND than Gleeman's/Aslan. Aslan has a greater MP boost than Prism and more MND for your curing and Gleeman's is better for your enfeebling. Prism is pretty much irrelevant compared to those two in combination.
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By Bismarck.Yor 2010-04-08 08:47:08
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Bahamut.Raenryong said:
Basically using a Prudence Torque for Bind over a superior option you already own is a Denali Bonnet vs Walahra Turban debate. You might feel you "have no issues" with a Denali Bonnet, but you will still do better with Walahra Turban, even if it is much easier to get etc.


The bonned example really sucks nyzul armor suck at all ASKARRRRRR RawrTards if we want to point out this too. But like I said we're taking into account a cap of 23 STAT point which is why I rarely use mahatma body on serious things anyway we were talking about debuff sorry chainspell wise I didn't see anything related to slow/para/bind etc on aspi
PS: my rdm MB fafnir for 1k with t3 never tried nidhogg ): if we wanna move into nuke contest and yes! i use NQ zenith mitts!
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By Pandemonium.Nalien 2010-04-08 08:48:14
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What the hell does chainspell blizzard have to do with Turtle being immune to Slow ?

You consider Despot as a solo target ? Anyone with DoT or any other instant/ranged damage ability can solo this at any given level.

Yor has solo'd 3/4 Sky Gods just for reference.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-04-08 08:50:04
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Oh no, I was just making fun of Turtle :p you can Para him though I'm fairly sure!

I don't care what he has solo'd; a bad choice is still a bad choice.
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By Pandemonium.Nalien 2010-04-08 08:52:07
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Para =/= Slow

Your choices are bad, you don't know what you're doing, and a rough 10M over a course of 3-4 weeks soloing are no achievement.
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By Bismarck.Nalien 2010-04-08 08:52:55
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Btw my Amano SAM doesn't want your autograph if you can't provide evidence of you actually Slowing turtle.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-04-08 09:22:11
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Your choices are bad, you don't know what you're doing, and a rough 10M over a course of 3-4 weeks soloing are no achievement.

You amuse me greatly.

A rough 10m? You can't add either.

I know what I'm doing far better than someone who uses a Prudence Torque on Bind because he can and I know Para != Slow... both can be done in full potency, it is often better to cast Slow in more macc than Para because of its recast/MP cost but Para can be spammed so low macc doesn't matter.

Again, you amuse me.

Did I ever say I Slow'd Turtle <_<
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By Bismarck.Yor 2010-04-08 09:49:00
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Bahamut.Raenryong said:
Bahamut.Raenryong said:
Did I ever say I Slow'd Turtle <_<
Bahamut.Raenryong said:
Can't even think where this would actually apply on anything worthing time

All sky NMs, Faf/Nid, Khim (Para - use more accurate one for Slow), Turtle, just about any HNM. Fenny Prime, just about any NM I solo'd.

Bahamut.Raenryong said:

A rough 10m? You can't add either.

I know what I'm doing far better than someone who uses a Prudence Torque on Bind because he can and I know Para != Slow... both can be done in full potency, it is often better to cast Slow in more macc than Para because of its recast/MP cost but Para can be spammed so low macc doesn't matter.

Yeah for rdm hauby toreador etc > hq staffs.
If it makes you feel better I solo with composure up 24/7 otherwise it gets too boring
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-04-08 09:51:15
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Now you're making about as much sense as Prudence Torque over Enfeebling Torque on a Bind set. You won't win this argument.
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-04-08 10:14:50
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If it makes you feel better I solo with composure up 24/7 otherwise it gets too boring

I lol'd
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By Bismarck.Yor 2010-04-08 10:16:48
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Now you're making about as much sense as Prudence Torque over Enfeebling Torque on a Bind set. You won't win this argument.

The sense is if you get resist you can quit rdm.

You're arguing about it when you dont even have HQ staffs (LoL) I'll tell you again 1.5 macc on bind is pretty nothing for any rdm with a decent ammount of skill 320+ and a decent ammount int 120+ w/o food tell me a serious reason for using enfeebling torque , I also think INT improves the rate at which bind breaks that I'm going to test on my own .
This wise you're the one who came out with skill while on your own again you're using a gleeman's cape over something you could obtain from solo so easly and your answer was "blabla I cannot obtaint this cos I gave up but hey SKILL>INTTTTT" I alraedy told you and I'm telling you again I use prudence torque because I use altruistic over a shitty int cape enf torque is only for sleep and poison in my personal opinion again if you're a GOOD rdm why would you care about a mere 1.5macc even if bind resists you're able to survive 25 seconds to reapp it no?
I dont even recall the last time i got resist on bind
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By Bismarck.Yor 2010-04-08 10:18:54
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Carbuncle.Zanno said:
Bismarck.Yor said:
If it makes you feel better I solo with composure up 24/7 otherwise it gets too boring

I lol'd


1-1.30 minutes bind is pimp especially when it gets resist because I lack 1.5macc
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By Bismarck.Yor 2010-04-08 10:25:01
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@Drakelth
Due the fact you're elf from what I've seen I'd say focus first on getting a decent enf skill set up , then focus on your int set up for nukes potency and whatnot leave the mind set up last if you're going to solo as rdm.
But if you levelled it in order to use it at events/meripos etc focus on skill/mnd first get anything you think would help you with skill and macc then think about potency.
Also get a good enhancing magic set up phalanx and stoneskin are good things.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-04-08 10:26:55
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You're arguing about it when you dont even have HQ staffs (LoL)

Didn't*

I didn't have all relevant ones when I started, hence how it's on my "I bought it list" - you're pretty smart!
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tell me a serious reason for using enfeebling torque

Because you have it and it is better? Turban vs Bonnet. Just because you have Bonnet doesn't mean you should use it.
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"blabla I cannot obtaint this cos I gave up but hey SKILL>INTTTTT"

I don't play anymore. When I was playing I was trying semi-consistently. If I had Altruistic and was using Gleeman's over it, you would have a point. As I do not, you don't.
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if you're a GOOD rdm why would you care about a mere 1.5macc even if bind resists

A good RDM would choose the option which made Bind resist less over an epeen option. Would you consider a SAM good who decided to use 2STR Ring on WS over 5STR Ring? Won't make much of a difference but a good SAM will choose the better option. You are choosing the inferior option.
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I dont even recall the last time i got resist on bind

You're not impressing anyone with your "I do well enough with what I have". Bind caps at 95% land rate. You WILL resist every 1/20 minimum, whether you are pimp or gimp. "I do well enough what I have" is the gimp mentality: I don't need an extra 1% Haste because I do well enough with what I have/things die fast enough already, etc etc with other upgrades.
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-04-08 10:28:09
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Bismarck.Yor said:
Carbuncle.Zanno said:
Bismarck.Yor said:
If it makes you feel better I solo with composure up 24/7 otherwise it gets too boring

I lol'd


1-1.30 minutes bind is pimp especially when it gets resist because I lack 1.5macc

No matter how you put it, making stuff "harder" on yourself doesnt prove how good you are, just proves that you make stupid choices. Whatever you solo will die no matter if you make it harder or easier on yourself. Now if it was some hidden treasure hunter because you keep composure up 100% I'd understand.
 
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By Bismarck.Yor 2010-04-08 11:01:58
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Meh the quote button isn't working anyhow someone finally understood what I tried to say over 20 times.

About being stupid or not what's the problem in using 5 int over 7 skills again the day I'll be in need to change my script I'll simply change it right now I've no reason.

About using composure it give me no problems in % of time spent since I use 5 nuking spells on rdm I dont rely on Bliz/Thunder only.
Whenever I'll need more than 10-12 minutes to kill a 20k nm I'll start worring aobut myself too TY!

I dont have to prove nothing but the fact that 1.5macc isn't needed at certain level with a certain set up.

@Shiroi you obviously never lowmanned anything w/o a whm which involves Barspells , you didn't see up it wasn't a nuke set up where the gleeman's cape was involved.
Tell me healing torque is retard as much you want idc I've multiple skill set up for my rdm , due the fact everyone seems like to know how to play rdm just reading forums.
Btw there's a spell called Phalanx , others called Bar stoneskin was something to put in there.

Whenever I'll start to die @ exp mobs while soling I'll ask help in here ok?
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-04-08 11:10:36
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just saying that using composure fulltime and think that proves how good you are is the same as saying.

"Yeah, I could Bio III / Poison II DoT xNM to death, but its too easy so I'm gonna use Bio I and Poison I instead"
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-04-08 11:14:48
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You're doing it wrong. Accept it, move on, don't try to criticise others when you're doing it wrong.

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About being stupid or not what's the problem in using 5 int over 7 skills again the day I'll be in need to change my script I'll simply change it right now I've no reason.

The reason is that it is better. That is enough of a reason.

By the way, I'm not normally so acidic/aggressive but you and your follower did accuse me of not knowing what I am talking about so ~

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By Bismarck.Drakelth 2010-04-08 12:10:43
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i been working on relic hat, my dyna LS has a seacom lot thing but last time it droped i loted 15 on it and we never do dyna basty been wanting relic hands, but thank you all for the advice got a lot of farming to do.
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-04-08 12:33:31
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Bad choices are bad choices.

Choosing to be bad just makes you bad.
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By Pandemonium.Nalien 2010-04-08 18:46:38
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It appears you don't know how INT works.
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By Diabolos.Renavi 2010-04-08 19:02:22
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Pandemonium.Nalien said:
Yor has solo'd 3/4 Sky Gods just for reference.
Proof of this would be nice. :D
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