Valefor.Prothescar said: »
34 skill really wouldn't be difficult to make up for, meva- might do that by itself. Anyway, I digress.
July Update Confirms Haste II; A Great Return?
July Update confirms Haste II; a great return?
104, SCH gets bumped up to 404 under Dark Arts.
Cerberus.Tidis said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Alacrity hasn't got much to do with it since RDM will have a much easier time capping recast time without it, but the low dark magic skill still sucks. That said, on anything you actually stun, I doubt it'd be much of an issue these days. Tojil/Muyingwa/Dakuwaqa all die so fast that you should never come remotely close to stun wall anyway.
EDIT: Ninja EDIT, sorry got my values massively wrong.
RDM can stun just fine, but has more strict gear requirements then SCH. You really can't go subpar with gear, need a 119 club/staff and solid Magic Acc gear along. The good part is that RDM has access to a ton of gear with large quantities of Fast Cast and Haste, makes capping recast easy. Shark, Bee and Tojil all use a TP move every 11~13s, it's very predictable. What gets people on Shark isn't more TP moves, it's stun being eaten by blinks when aura is up. RDM can also cast one spell in-between stuns by virtue of it's insane fast cast and not needing to use a JA in between stuns.
Haste II looks interesting in that it gives a larger margin of error or possibly blocking Slowga. Have long since lost count on the number of times a BRD has let march's fall after their death pull.
Muyingwa certainly uses TP moves faster than Dakuwaqa/Tojil. While rare, they can be as quick as 6 seconds between each other, but 8 or 9 seconds isn't too uncommon.
Also, SCH can cast between stuns on Tojil/Dakuwaqa also. I usually throw in a Thunder III or Thunder IV on Dakuwaqa. Stun recast is 9 seconds after all; couldn't stun a move happening during that nuke even if you wanted to (not that that usually ever happens).
But anyway, if RDM can get a 9 or 10 second stun recast without an Apamajas II (119 weapon with high macc obviously), then I agree that RDM can do just fine stunning. We don't bring a COR usually to Delve 1 so the extra defense down from Dia III is welcome as well, and soon to be evasion down.
Also, SCH can cast between stuns on Tojil/Dakuwaqa also. I usually throw in a Thunder III or Thunder IV on Dakuwaqa. Stun recast is 9 seconds after all; couldn't stun a move happening during that nuke even if you wanted to (not that that usually ever happens).
But anyway, if RDM can get a 9 or 10 second stun recast without an Apamajas II (119 weapon with high macc obviously), then I agree that RDM can do just fine stunning. We don't bring a COR usually to Delve 1 so the extra defense down from Dia III is welcome as well, and soon to be evasion down.
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But anyway, if RDM can get a 9 or 10 second stun recast without an Apamajas II (119 weapon with high macc obviously), then I agree that RDM can do just fine stunning. We don't bring a COR usually to Delve 1 so the extra defense down from Dia III is welcome as well, and soon to be evasion down.
I've seen that behavior too and I'm positive it's a glitch in their AI that can sometimes cause them to spam TP moves. We've seen Tojil do three Lahar's all ~6s apart from each other, then go back to his regular ~11s in between. It seems completely random but it's very noticeable when it does happen.
RDM can easily get a 9s recast on stun. 30% native FC along with gear like 119 AF head and 119 Relic body make hitting the 20% floor simple. Magic Accuracy is where your going to take a hit, 100 less skill then a SCH means you need a 119 staff/club (I use Venabulum with a Mephtis grip) along with some magic acc gear.
RDM isn't better then SCH, but it is sufficient to do the job and honestly that's all you need.
On a side note. Can you use separate precast and midcast sets for stun in gearswap? I remember that being difficult in spellcast due to how fast stun's cast become.
Lakshmi.Saevel said: »
On a side note. Can you use separate precast and midcast sets for stun in gearswap? I remember that being difficult in spellcast due to how fast stun's cast become.
Phoenix.Demonjustin said: »
Lakshmi.Saevel said: »
On a side note. Can you use separate precast and midcast sets for stun in gearswap? I remember that being difficult in spellcast due to how fast stun's cast become.
Thanks, then my gear sets got even better. Before I was using a precast that had some magic acc in it and was difficult to hit 256/1024 gear haste while retaining all my magic acc gear. If I can separate them on super fast casting spells then it becomes trivial to cap FC/Haste in precast and load up on stupid amounts of Magic Acc in midcast (my Hag hands have +27 magic acc augment).
Fastcast/Haste's recast reduction is applied in the midcast, though.
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Lakshmi.Saevel said: »
If I can separate them on super fast casting spells then it becomes trivial to cap FC/Haste in precast and load up on stupid amounts of Magic Acc in midcast (my Hag hands have +27 magic acc augment).
Fast Cast in Precast sets only lowers your casting speed. Haste in Precast sets does nothing.
To lower your recast, you need to have Fast Cast/Haste/Spell Reduction gear equipped in midcast/when spell goes off.
Sooo Vali,
got anything else to say?
got anything else to say?
Bismarck.Inference said: »
Fastcast/Haste's recast reduction is applied in the midcast, though.
Dammit I was hoping to avoid that problem. Oh well just means I have slightly less macc.
Ragnarok.Afania said: »
Asura.Leonlionheart said: »
For you that might be bringing PUP to Tojil and scraping by with the win in 44 minutes. For others it might be spamming Tojil in ~25 minutes with the most optimal setup.
There's no way you'd spend 44 min on Tojil with PUP though! From what I've seen most of the DD job can do sub 25 min run np, and that's before WS update.
We have done it with MNK, BLU and RUN as the DDs. Beat it in under 30m.
Seriously people are WAY overestimating the bar for victory. Just about any group of semi competent players can win. BRD WHM and a stunner are the only real requirements and only WHM because you need aoe cures for the MB. Would be interesting to see how powerful GEO haste is as the biggest reason for BRD is how broken double marches are.
Weeeelp, I'm excited
Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai said: »
Sooo Vali,
got anything else to say?
got anything else to say?
About? it's all novelty stuff, not that I really care. Haste II by itself was/still will be useless.
But the other stuff is kinda neat. I don't see rdm taking any spots though. Flurry is cool and all but I'd rather have a corsair. EVA- is nifty but I'd rather have a corsair.
RDM isn't going to take the party slot of a whm brd or cor. It'll get a nod in an alliance for delve, and that's it.
I have a hard enough time finding a whm/sch that will even haste me without asking every time, let alone expecting someone on rdm to keep flurry up on me.
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
But the other stuff is kinda neat. I don't see rdm taking any spots though. Flurry is cool and all but I'd rather have a corsair. EVA- is nifty but I'd rather have a corsair.
RDM isn't going to take the party slot of a whm brd or cor. It'll get a nod in an alliance for delve, and that's it.
RDM isn't going to take the party slot of a whm brd or cor. It'll get a nod in an alliance for delve, and that's it.
Rdm will at the very least take whm spot in rng setup bcnm/delve(unless for w/e reason flurry doesn't stack with coursers).
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
I have a hard enough time finding a whm/sch that will even haste me without asking every time, let alone expecting someone on rdm to keep flurry up on me.
And flurry might/probably lower tp per hit, like blitzers roll. And/or won't stack with Coursers.
I mean it's square we're talking about here, you don't actually think there will be all positives and no trade-offs/downsides.
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
I have a hard enough time finding a whm/sch that will even haste me without asking every time, let alone expecting someone on rdm to keep flurry up on me.
And flurry might/probably lower tp per hit, like blitzers roll. And/or won't stack with Coursers.
I mean it's square we're talking about here, you don't actually think there will be all positives and no trade-offs/downsides.
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
I have a hard enough time finding a whm/sch that will even haste me without asking every time, let alone expecting someone on rdm to keep flurry up on me.
And flurry might/probably lower tp per hit, like blitzers roll. And/or won't stack with Coursers.
I mean it's square we're talking about here, you don't actually think there will be all positives and no trade-offs/downsides.
There won't be downside; there is no case of roll not stacking with other buff/debuff as far as I know, all the past buff update have been awesome/mostly welcomed I don't expect that to change.
And "people suck and can't keep me hasted" isn't a good argument to why you wouldn't want a rdm over a whm on rng setup.
And "people suck and can't keep me hasted" isn't a good argument to why you wouldn't want a rdm over a whm on rng setup.
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EDIT;
If rdm gets a slot back, hurray for rdm, not gonna hold my breath waiting for the obvious let down.
I thought I cared, I was wrong. I don't. <I'm not up for it.>
If rdm gets a slot back, hurray for rdm, not gonna hold my breath waiting for the obvious let down.
I thought I cared, I was wrong. I don't. <I'm not up for it.>
Asura.Ccl said: »
There won't be downside; there is no case of roll not stacking with other buff/debuff as far as I know, all the past buff update have been awesome/mostly welcomed I don't expect that to change.
And "people suck and can't keep me hasted" isn't a good argument to why you wouldn't want a rdm over a whm on rng setup.
And "people suck and can't keep me hasted" isn't a good argument to why you wouldn't want a rdm over a whm on rng setup.
Yeah I can't really see any reason that would hold up RDM or SCH as the healer for typical PLD + RNG spam events. Solace cureskin is nice but no where close to being needed.
Intrigued enough with the upcoming changes to build up RDM on my mule for dual-boxing. What should I be aiming for in terms of gearsets and merits? Haven't really touched the job since the level cap went beyond 75.
You guys reading it wrong, its like pdt II, blood pact II. Haste II will break the cap by 3-5%.
That would make rdm a must for both melee setup and rng setup
Chyula said: »
You guys reading it wrong, its like pdt II, blood pact II. Haste II will break the cap by 3-5%.
Cure II doesnt break any cap.
anyone acquired haste II yet or tested it out.
It's 30% haste, and can be bought from Adoulin Waterfront.
As expected corsair and whm got replaced for rng+pld setup fight.
Asura.Ccl said: »
As expected corsair and whm got replaced for rng+pld setup fight.
inc "why brd over cor" debate.
and looks like flurry is much more relevant than anticipated
I think we will see more updates to jobs like this. some people don't want to lvl jobs just so they can get invites to Mega boss fights or the high tier battle fields. I bet they make all jobs relevant.
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