Temper Fail....

I've yet to see you post a single constructive thing. You seem angry all the time. You seem narrow minded and think that the only right way to do anything is the way you and your group do things. Offering an opinion is one thing, but you attempt to pass opinion off as fact.

Also... how many coins each do you get in dyna after split?

I duo(3 people cause dual box) dynamis and make 700k+ a day per person.

I make 800k+ dual boxing it, and I'm fairly lazy about it so could do more... not sure why you'd think 700+ is impressive, even less sure why it is relevent to a thread dedicated to rdm's new ability.

Uh? Are you stupid? LOL? Someone asked me a question, so I answered it, wtf? Where did I even say it was impressive? SOMEONE ASKED ME A QUESTION.

Just..wtf.

My apologies.

Hmmm ... no. And maybe you should spend more time away from your PC and outside your basement/cave-hole. You should "brush up" on being a decent human being.


Exactly.

Not that impressive. We can each solo for over a mil each. Now what were you saying before?

ok????????????????

How much double attack do you think it will give?

and..

This kind of sucks for Joytoy.

This thread isn't about Dynamis or any of that. The point is if you guys want to talk about that stuff take it to a relevant thread.

That has nothing to do with what the thread is even about, which is Temper.

I didn't miss it, and it wasn't too subtle. Also it was a temporary ban, and it was comical, at best. Flionheart's a d-bag. BG is chock-full of d-bags. I'm surprised he spends his time here, rather than on BG, to be honest. He'd fit in much better there.

It says occationally attack twice so best bet is that it will be the exact same rate as joytoy and magian weapons and will not stack with them... basicly opening you up to useing a stronger weapon since the extra attack is the only thing joytoy has going for it anymore.
Night's comment was directed at someone else not you.

No it's not. Just tire of people saying "My way is better" when it isn't always.

Just a thought for this spell... We know there will be a new merit type system post lv99 so what do you guys thing, will there be a "Temper II" option similar to Phalanx II in that it targets party members when we get there? If they gave us all the best buffs and debuffs now what would the put at that point so maybe wait before getting too out of shape from this being self target only.

I'd be pleased with that. Even if it is far less potent. I mean honestly how potent does an OAT spell have to be before it's worth casting...

Temper would be awesome in Dynamis. BAM! Relevance. :)

Joyeuse and the Magian OAT weapons actually have different procrates (45~50% and 40%, respectively). I'd guess that Temper is no stronger than 20% and/or potentially works like Enspell II in that it only affects one hand; RDM doesn't get a lot of DA/TA gear so OAT isn't as diminished in value for them. 40% OAT on a sword or dagger with a more normal base damage would be overpowered if anything, just look at how good Ridill and Joyeuse were at 75.

lol Smartypants :P

Since the "OAT" effect proc rate has been universal so far (aprox 45% according to wiki) it's likely that the only thing that weakens would be the duration. If it gives straight double attack then it would vary a bit probably but the wording of the discription makes me pritty sure it will just be the same as if you were useing a weapon(s) with the effect.

Edit: Night debunked some of that while i was typeing so ignore the bit about the proc rate being the same.

You're a terrible human being. There's a reason you're generally disliked by more people than me here and on other forums.

Arrogance plays a big part in it. Also lets not forget that you're a gigantic hypocrite.

If it's rdm only then it needs to be overpowered. Even if it's a 100% proc rate, can activate on both hands and on ws, would that even make rdm melee worth it or even be able to get past the rdm stigma?

Maybe if SE made temper give an OAT 'aura' they could help put rdm on the frontline and fit their vision of demi-god buffers.

You know, I was actually thinking about this too. The anti-melee stigma is so bad, it would literally take an overwhelming force of over-powered nonsense to shake up the status quo. But then, the tide would immediately turn to "RDM melee is OP!!!" We can't win. Just gotta take what comes, and find our fun.

Step 1: OAT45 for Almace facerocking.
Step 2: Make all buffs(haste, refresh, etc) only self target even for WHM.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: 1,000,000 threads mimicking the phrase: "lol y u not bring RDM and WHM to that fight. u dumb" "Why do you need an alliance for that? RDM+WHM says 'hi'" "Solution: Get your RDM an Almace. Problem solved."

This is kinda my thoughts on the matter as well. Even if it does bring them close enough up to speed with melees that they are effective on anything but the AoE spamming NMs where you only use 1 or 2 melees anyways, it's still gunna get ragged on because people are afreaid to form their own cookies instead of useing a cookie cutter.

Yes? The whole "mindless sheep" argument is overused. RDM is still an incredibly powerful job from a defensive standpoint; given offensive capabilities on par with a mid-tier DD it could easily become a favored source of damage for nastier NMs due to relative self-sufficiency. It's the same logic as using COR, RNG, SMN, and BLM: they're low-maintenance. Even the "mindless sheep" would discover this after a while due to the trickle-down effect.

See, that one of the things that kills me with the anti-melee arguments; "don't feed the mob tp!" In those situations, even the DD's are not melee'ing. We can turn the tide, it's just going to take a LOT.

A big plus would be if some of the lvl 90 RDM's out there would stop melee'ing in AF1 gear for cripes sakes! I know the gear is neat looking, but it's giving us a bad rap! As a wise player told me in the melee gear thread, "get some haste gear up in that!"

My mind will be blown if I'm ever asked to melee on rdm. I'm curious to see how good they are going to make this. I still think we're going to need some better melee gear though.

Well, if the OAT rate is at least like the joyeuse, even if it only affect main hand, i'd be happy with that. I miss my joy so much ; ;
Just hope it does stack with enspells tho.

Imagine a war with OAT spaming double 1k+ critical dmg hits, it would be so overpowered, so let's be realistic, it's not the end of the world.
Hopefully we get the true Bravery and Faith spells now that sch got lolenbrava only.

What it really needs to be fixed is the cure IV thing, even if some people think we have enought, isn't reallistic that any 99 job with /rdm or /whm sub will get the same cure than rdms and schs get as main jobs, some of them with native mp could be even heal as efficiently as
us with just a subjob ability and that makes no sense.

Edit: and well, about meleing in af or mage gear, were those real fights? lol
I mean, i barely melee, but if i do it usually is to kill some too weak crap that doens't deserve the trouble of satcheling a bunch of mage gear to get the melee gear out for 10 mins.
I only use my real melee set if i'm going to melee in purpose just for fun or for a decent amount of time.
It's bad to melee in mage gear, right, but explain me how you carry your melee set in you every time, im 78/80 in magic gear and that not even counting dagger + sword <.<