CrossRoads Tobi +2 Or Kannagi

Interesting... Does this happen every time?

Nice! You need a paralyna LOL nice Oct Shorts. Good Job on the solo!

ODD does not proc on weaponskills, with this in mind, kannagi is still better because of the higher base damage and extra mods on the weapon itself.

I think Kannagi is the way I am going to go. It may take a while but it seems as if all the Tobi2 users are a bit quiet today.... I don't want to regret Tobi2 and have to start all over again.

I always thought ODD can effect ws xD
lemme check

ODD does not proc on WS

The Balde: Hi 60% AGI is sexy but I am leaning towards Kannagi 85 what do think? Tobi2 blue box is nice too though.

He did use it once before this, it took me down to around 200hp if I remember right. I both read and was told that the move won't kill you, but as you can see it would have done just that without Migawari.

And yeah I turned as soon as he used Ice Roar but apoc atma triple attack kicked in and I kept on swinging at him lol. Then of course the para proc'ed when I tried to Healing Waltz myself D:

ODD Proc's on weapon skills even if you have Tobi2 ? ReAlly?

If you can commit to it, Kannagi.

Nope.

I addressed this a page and a half before the original Mtmoogle post >< I swear the last week my posts have been transparent :,<

Leo how long did it take you to get Kannagi? And is it at 90?

My shells been working mainly on getting everyone their level 85 empyreans before proceeding to the level 90 versions.
I can hazard a guess and say my kannagi took about 2 days of farming to do in a party of 6 for the first stage.
And for the second stage it took about 3~4 days, due mainly to the competition with JPs in my time frame.
We actually finished my friends 80 armageddon in 7 hours with 7 people.

damn Nice! Grats!

In essence it doesn't take long at all when you get to it, 50 of said item just scares people I suppose.

It's the 50 helms,skins 75 horns multiply that but the 3 Ki's you need to farm is a bit challenging that's what scares people but then again this is a MMORPG adult game not like that "WoW" that is considered a kiddie game LOL

Pretty much this. My group does empyreans as a linkshell but we have a fair amount of people wanting them and we only run for 3-5 hours a day a few days a week. Since they've already helped me with Verethragna I snagged the Tobi+2 for now. That and Gukumatz Aery is annoying as ***.

Building a weapon up to solo/duo Briareus/Sobek when I can drag someone out there since the 85 Kannagi beats Tobi+2. But the Blade: Hi damage is substantial (inside abyssea) on either weapon. I personally don't have a set built for outside abyssea so it's mediocre at best in that case.

Can solo each and every KI nm for the first two stages just use a regen atma - Mounted champion and you'll have a pop set ready for whenever.
It's what I did in my down time, when you reach the Apademak stage you'll need a few more people to help, because it is in general an nm where one *** up can generally lose you the fight.

So you have Tobi2 are you happy with it and wish you would has waited for Kannagi? Now you have to start trials over if you do...

I have a Tobi +2, am also on Fenrir and happy to show you it.

Personally I would say its damage is considerable and, from feedback, it is comparable to Kannagi in Damage and this person said they know a Kannagi owner and he doesnt hit the WS numbers I do. My WS set isnt finished either - Poss the other owner sucks or is missing an Atma or something, iono. Believe me or not on this im not bothered but I have no reason to lie.

My choices regarding why a Tobi+2 was that I wanted multiple weapons not just for my NIN and when you do WoE, if you get prize chests, you will often accumulate additional coins.

Subsequently ive completed +2 on MNK, NIN, SAM and DRG and 10 coins from completing COR too which was my ultimate goal.

I understand and agree which, if equal gear and buffs, will pull ahead - The Kannagi will of course despite ODD not procing on WS damage (which is why Ashman put the ??? earlier I believe).

But I feel extremely happy that I have 4 (almost 5) of the second best avail..... Maybe not the DRG actually lol.

The group of friends I generally do things with probably would of held pops for me if I wanted to go Kannagi for NIN I would imagine but I just couldnt bring myself to use up that much of other peoples time. They probably wouldnt of minded at all tbh but I would of felt guilty.

So there you have it, my choice and reasons why with it. Im certainly happy and feel obtaining that many is quite an achievment even if it is viewed as the Ghetto choice.

GL in whatever path you take.

I'm very pleased with it. It increased my NIN's damage substantially inside abyssea. The trials before WoE are all easy, just time consuming. You can do something else while you camp NMs, it's not really a big deal imo. They are easily soloable with the exception of Tammuz (not to say he's not soloable. I've done it but the petrify breath sometimes ends the fight if you get unlucky with evading and duration of petrify).

I recently decided to go for an 85 Kannagi (vs 90 Tobi+2), but I'm not having the best of luck. I can try to proc red with Katana/GKT/Sword/Dagger, but more often than not it's not one of those.

Moral of the story is: Have a WHM to heal and WAR to help proc if you're serious about Kannagi or you'll be farming for up to twice as long.

(This should have been posted pages ago, and I hit submit, but it didn't post for some reason >.> )

@ Havster if your on later this evenin mind if you pop a few weaponskills so I can see damage out put? I hasn't seen anyone with a Tobi2 on Fenrir or I probably never payed attention until now that I am at the crossroad ^^ Ty

I will try, its 19:36 at the moment for me, what time are you thinking?

I get up at 05.00 unfortunately so it cant be too late, but either way im sure I can hook up with you asap and we can find something to beat on for half hour to see what you think.

Tonight, now I think about it, isnt great. The wife is on search and destroy mode lol.

Kannagi is so easy I can't see Tobi being a faster path.

NIN can solo Briareus with some skill.

A group of 6 can farm 6 popsets in about an hour depending on wait times and drops of the pop items. You can kill Briareus in about 2 minutes with a good group (Zerg settup works incredibly well if you have dedicated DNC and or BLM, DRK etc for stun having your tank sub DNC helps too).

Sobek's not quite so easy because of the competition at Gukumatz but the fight can be duo'd by NIN and anything with cure.

Most NIN's don't have a hope of getting it to 90 however being as Daurdabla(harp) and Almace(sword, although probably not as much of a priority as kannagi) both use the same NM, and that NM is probably the biggest pain in the entire game. Apademak if you allow it to level up WILL KILL YOU. I personally haven't been able to win without a brew (even though people will probably claim that I suck and that OMG YOUR DOING IT WRONG HE'S SO EASY, he's not. One miss on violent flourish or a slightly late stun and you're *** for good).

I also recommend ALWAYS HAVING TREASURE HUNTER. A lot of people say it doesn't help, but after doing 29 glavoid (only 4 dropped 1 shell) with TH then doing 22 Itzpapalotl 15 of which I brought TH got 2 scales each time, the next 7 without TH I got 1 each. Small sample sizes but I have the same experience on both Carabosse and Briareus...

WoE is just really time consuming unless you go into an unconventional flux with a static. Flux 7 with SMNs and BLMs is fairly simple and you could get all of your coins in one or two runs.

Hope this helps you.