BLMs, Please Listen.

That's not what I said at all...

Let's consider it this way. On average statues take two nukes to kill, unless the Black Mage nuking first has exceptional gear. This means that no matter how much damage you do (with or without Sorcerer's Ring), unless you can one shot the statues, somebody else has to finish it off anyway. This makes the Sorcerer's Ring a bad choice unless it tips your equipment over the line and allows you to one shot the statues.

Otherwise, it's essentially -25% HP for nothing. Another Black Mage still has to expend their MP, and you're 25% HP lower without any visible outcome. Numbers are irrelevant on Dynamis statues unless you can one shot them with these numbers.

The only time Sorcerer's Ring is worth it in Dynamis is if it lets you one shot statues. Then I am all for it. Other than that, /no, and I make my Black Mage's take them off, unless they can one shot the statues with it.

If you think BLMs and Temperance dont mix, you havent been in Sea long enough.

As far as solo popping Temperance goes: There are two tricks to keeping yourself alive once he spawns. The first trick is all about location of the PH when it dies. Pull the PH from the alcove to the opposite side of the kite room before you kill it. Thus, when the PH dies you will be more that 50' from the alcove, and should Temperance spawn, he will spawn unclaimed and de-aggroed.

The second trick basically involves how to keep it from despawning until your linkshell arrives to help kill it. There are only two methods that I can think of: 1. Continually sac it, or 2. "pin" it.

"Pinning" is a type of kiting that can be used when you have a fairly large circular kiting zone (in this case, the square room in the towers). When you are directly across from a mob seperated by a circular obstacle (for example you are at 12 o'clock and the mob is at 6 o'clock), the mob is forced to choose between going clockwise or going counter-clockwise. The AI is extremely poor at choosing the right direction.

First you need to get Temperance out of the alcove and into the kiting room to attempt a pin. The only safe way to do this is with Elemental Seal - Gravity. The rest is very difficult to accomplish without Herald's Gaiters, but it can be done.

When you have reached this point where Temperance is directly across from you, find the nearest pillar (there is 1 at each of the 4 corners of the kiting area). When you hit the pillar, switch directions, run a few steps and watch - Temperance will switch it's directions as well and start running that way. Now switch again when it switches - it will switch with you! Keep repeating this, keeping in mind to ONLY move 1-2 steps in each direction before switching again. Try to get your timing down. Once gravity wears, if you do this correctly, it will get stuck and can't pick a direction as long as you keep this up - hence the term "pinning".

Now, concerning the actual kill... Most people already know Temperance will take 0 dmg from nukes. What most do not know, however, is that utilizing the WAR merit ability Tomahawk will allow your BLMs to nuke Temperance for partial damage (200-400 dmg Tier 4s). With a good kite team and at least one WAR, your mages can zerg nuke Temperance during the duration of Tomahawk. In fact, Tomahawk reduces Temp's defense to all damage types. So everyone in your alliance is able to zerg it during Tomahawk. No more waiting for it to change forms. Where Temperance could become a mess real quickly, rotating the Tomahawk ability basically turns this fight down to a 6 minute zerg-fest.

That's, er... That's not soloing is it?

lol

You clearly say that Sorcerer's Ring is not good in Dynamis.

I don't get it Wooooodum. I could quote 90% of your posts in this thread. You clearly say that Sorcerer's Ring is not good in Dynamis. I disagree. You say I'm not listening. I reread every post you made. You say Sorcerer's Ring is bad.

Please enlighten me as to what I'm missing.

Yep. As I said, that's not what I said. Quite clearly, too...

And aside from that, what say you to my earlier post Wooo? If a Sorc Ring means the next BLM needs only a Tier III/II/Drain to kill a statue, then surely it's a worthwhile expenditure of 25% HP. I also added that if a BLM can be trusted to have it not adversely affect them, surely there's no reason not to use it?

Well on normal monsters, yes, the more damage the better. But the point raised was about statues, the viewpoint to which should be completely different.

Let's consider it this way. On average statues take two nukes to kill, unless the Black Mage nuking first has exceptional gear. This means that no matter how much damage you do (with or without Sorcerer's Ring), unless you can one shot the statues, somebody else has to finish it off anyway. This makes the Sorcerer's Ring a bad choice unless it tips your equipment over the line and allows you to one shot the statues.

Otherwise, it's essentially -25% HP for nothing. Another Black Mage still has to expend their MP, and you're 25% HP lower without any visible outcome. Numbers are irrelevant on Dynamis statues unless you can one shot them with these numbers.

why would anyone stick up for a blm using full time U pendant?... its USELESS for a first time Nuke/possible 2nd depending on MP but come on... anyone who uses that pendant full time is lazy/stupid, not hard to macro it in or equip it...

In the event that the Sorc. Ring does enough extra damage that a statue can be killed with a Tier III / II / Drain from another BLM, then it's perfectly worthwhile in that a lot less MP has been expended overall. IF the BLM can be trusted to do it safely, I don't how how statues should be treated any differently to regular mobs.

The real issues I have with people using it is when they start going "OMG WTF 2K ON MNK NM LOLZ" and subsequently get themselves owned.

Wtf Blazza I edited my post, re-quote =(

Ty :p

I didn't see this, sorry.

Well, from my experience it shouldn't take more than a Tier 4 and a Tier 3 to kill statues in the first place. My Black Mage is by no means "exceptional" and I very rarely struggle to kill them with a Tier 4 followed by a Tier 3, if I'm soloing for whatever reason.

If it is still alive, though, or if somebody else is nuking after my Tier 3, obviously I want their nuke to kill it. It's entirely situational; statues themselves are fine using the ring because they move so slowly. The real issues I have with people using it is when they start going "OMG WTF 2K ON MNK NM LOLZ" and subsequently get themselves owned. Usage such as this, or deliberate usage to make "the 1337 numbers" appear is detrimental to the shell and is simply wasting our available resources in runs.

The main point I was making is that I would prefer them not to use it and remain alive, so they can contribute to sleeping and their other duties (because we all know a Black Mage's role in Dynamis is not just nuking stuff) rather than have their e-peen stroked. If somebody can use it and not get owned doing so, they're doing it properly, to the point where I wouldn't even notice them using it. My main concern in Dynamis is keeping the ball rolling, not how high a Black Mage can hit. If I believe somebody using the ring is hampering their duties, I'll tell them not to use it. I only tell them not t use it when I notice them using it... I only notice them using it when they're using it wrongly...

Let's be realistic here; the majority of people using a Sorcerer's Ring do so for the high numbers, not because they believe it's more MP productive. This was the point I did made, very clearly, which you took to literally mean "Sorcerer's Ring is bad", when placed out of its context.

This was the point I did made, very clearly, which you took to literally mean "Sorcerer's Ring is bad", when placed out of its context.

Though i'd hesitate to pigeon-hole BLMs. Putting it in the light of 'omfg leet numbers' is a tad insulting to some I imagine. I know plenty of BLMs who are conscientious players, and strive for higher numbers not for e-peen, but because higher numbers are 'one' indication of a more effective BLM. It shows them a clearly visible progression in their job, and there's a difference between pride & peen in my opinion ^^.

The issue that this thread has run into is the fact that the only BLM's who have read it appear to be BLM's that actually know their ***and mis-interpreted Woooo's gripe with people that use the ring

I know plenty of BLMs who are conscientious players, and strive for higher numbers not for e-peen, but because higher numbers are 'one' indication of a more effective BLM.

start going "OMG WTF 2K ON MNK NM LOLZ" and subsequently get themselves owned.

^ This. The issue that this thread has run into is the fact that the only BLM's who have read it appear to be BLM's that actually know their ***and mis-interpreted Woooo's gripe with people that use the ring for the wrong reasons.

His main point was: If using sorc. ring gets you killed, don't use it. Clearly you guys don't get yourself killed using it, so by all means go ahead.

Could you clarify this for me? I'm not sure whether i'm being insulted or complimented.

Sucks to be in Bahamut then.

Additionally, the listed rdm merits in the OP are HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.

like every non-horrible rdm should

compliment, you're one of the blm's that actually know your ***.

Finally...

Yes, there is a difference between pride and epeen. You obviously know the difference, and since you're not in my linkshell, which every point was based on, why are you taking that personally? It's obviously not aimed at you, I don't know your playing style, or how you treat your jobs. I quite clearly said in my first or second post, "from my experiences with my linkshell". Why did everyone then subsequently assume I was describing their playing style?