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BLMs, Please listen.
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By Odin.Blazza 2009-03-12 04:54:59
Unfortunately I don't think he actually has the macc earring. There's a group on Odin that does Taniwah 6 times a day (or they were when I last spoke to them). I'm 0/~15 on Koggelmander on that mob, they have about 6 Koggelmanders in their group, and still no (Mamool Ja) earring on last check. Ridiculously rare drop rates :/
 Cerberus.Saiya
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By Cerberus.Saiya 2009-03-12 05:01:53
I was referring to the Lycopodium Earring^^
*Edit: having said that I don't think he has it either XD
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-03-12 05:06:27
But then again, if BLMs suck at enfeebling, why should we enfeeble?
For HNMs and situations like that, we are not there for the enfeebles.
For dynamis and Einherjar, well, we are usually stuck with the Sleepga, which doesn't resist except for undead. But then again, they resist RDM just the same.
As for the skill and M.Acc is conserned...
M.Acc > Skill, because of two points
1) Skill only gives .9 acc per skill after 200, so any gears that give M.Acc gives slightly more accuracy than skill.
2) M.Acc also affects all other magics (elemental, enfeeble, dark) so if your set is just basically has INT/M.Acc/MAB, then you really don't need any other set period, unless you need to swap out your Weskit for your AF body for enfeebling, because Weskit doesn't have accuracy.
In situations where the RDM has a hard time hitting enfeebles on a mob, BLMs should not enfeeble the mob at all. They should worry more about nuking than enfeebling.
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By Sylph.Hitetsu 2009-03-12 05:58:06
XD Nope, I don't have it yet >< But I'm almost there, I've finished 1 "Boss tabula" >.> just need another few marbles to have Lyco earring one finished, then it's just a case of playing the waiting game.
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By Odin.Blazza 2009-03-12 07:51:58
Mamool Ja Earring is from MMM just like Lycopodium earring, the only difference is the mob rune. I assure you, just because you have the set-up for the boss, doesn't mean you're about to get the earring... the drop-rate is SUPER gay.
Sorry :/
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-03-12 07:53:17
Blazza said: I'm SUPER gay.
Sorry :/ OMG I knew it! Trollin' Blazza since 2009™.
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By Cerberus.Saiya 2009-03-12 07:54:56
Korpg said: In situations where the RDM has a hard time hitting enfeebles on a mob, BLMs should not enfeeble the mob at all. They should worry more about nuking than enfeebling. Korpg my man, you have to consider. All situations aren't nearly as black & white as that. My BLM being able to pull off relatively accurate enfeebles has saved my and my party's *** no end of times. And in Dynamis PLDs and WHMs resist regular Sleep/Ga I & II from BLMs quite easily due to their resist sleep trait. A well placed bind, or the ability to stick silence on mobs, Grav'ing a MNK & kite-nuking it so it burns it's 2hr before the melees engage. Not essential, but incredibly useful. Added to that, not everything you do will involve having a large well rounded party to back you up. An enfeebling set is unbelievably useful for a serious BLM (Though I wouldn't go so far as some and say they 'suck' without it ^_~)
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By Cerberus.Saiya 2009-03-12 07:55:24
Wooooodum said: Blazza said: I'm SUPER gay.
Sorry :/ OMG I knew it! Trollin' Blazza since 2009™. I lol'd XD
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By Sylph.Hitetsu 2009-03-12 07:55:38
Blazza said: I assure you, just because you have the set-up for the boss, doesn't mean you're about to get the earring... the drop-rate is SUPER gay.
Sorry :/ wtf.. gay keys.. why'd it post >_> Anyway I know, like I said, now I just have to play the waiting game. I'm doing MMM Mamool Ja Earring runs now, 1 a day using my tabula and using friends tabulas to farm marbles so they can get their tabulas sorted (because they did silly things like buy other runes >.>).
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-03-12 08:31:11
I thought Mamool Ja Mantle was from MMM, but turns out it's not... All those runs for nothing... ._.
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By Bahamut.Cyr 2009-03-12 09:05:35
Wooooodum said: I thought Mamool Ja Mantle was from MMM, but turns out it's not... All those runs for nothing... ._. Did they figure out where that reraise/mnd+2 earring comes from yet?
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By Sylph.Hitetsu 2009-03-12 09:10:51
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By Bahamut.Cyr 2009-03-12 09:32:24
Thanks, lol. I really want that earring, but I've never done MMM. Looks gay :\
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By Sylph.Hitetsu 2009-03-12 09:35:06
It's easy enough, and pretty fun later on.
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By Seraph.Tarstark 2009-03-12 13:22:37
Korpg said:
Yeah, I guess you are talking about me.
I wasn't talking about you. Was talking about for those you intended this post for. Blms new to end game.
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-03-13 01:16:28
Saiya said: Korpg said: In situations where the RDM has a hard time hitting enfeebles on a mob, BLMs should not enfeeble the mob at all. They should worry more about nuking than enfeebling. Korpg my man, you have to consider. All situations aren't nearly as black & white as that. My BLM being able to pull off relatively accurate enfeebles has saved my and my party's *** no end of times. And in Dynamis PLDs and WHMs resist regular Sleep/Ga I & II from BLMs quite easily due to their resist sleep trait. A well placed bind, or the ability to stick silence on mobs, Grav'ing a MNK & kite-nuking it so it burns it's 2hr before the melees engage. Not essential, but incredibly useful. Added to that, not everything you do will involve having a large well rounded party to back you up. An enfeebling set is unbelievably useful for a serious BLM (Though I wouldn't go so far as some and say they 'suck' without it ^_~) I'm not saying that a BLM shouldn't enfeeble, or not have an enfeeble set. Hell, My enfeeble set is better than most RDMs, and with the set on, it only boosts my enfeeble skill to 269 (and rising, thanks to my dedication towards magic skill merits now). Mostly the reason why my enfeebles are better than most RDMs (at least for the BLM enfeebles, like sleep and bind) is because my set also has a ton of INT+ too. I'm just saying though, if your RDM friend who also happens to have a ton of enfeebling ***and still has a hard time keeping silence on a HNM, why should you have to rely on a BLM to cast Silence on it (besides the point of that BLMs don't really concentrait on MND gear anyway).
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-03-13 01:17:43
Tarstark said: Korpg said:
Yeah, I guess you are talking about me.
I wasn't talking about you. Was talking about for those you intended this post for. Blms new to end game. My fault. Confusion on your wording.
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By Cerberus.Saiya 2009-03-13 04:22:35
Korpg said: (besides the point of that BLMs don't really concentrait on MND gear anyway) Unless they have a Stoneskin build =p
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By Sylph.Hitetsu 2009-03-13 04:45:50
I don't have any MND gear! >.>
As BLM, I cap stoneskin with just my Apollo's and Errant Body. (Elvaan ftw!)
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By Cerberus.Saiya 2009-03-13 04:51:12
zomg lucky v_V
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-03-13 04:57:45
Never needed a SS build, since I'm at 348 damage SS as is (I believe the max is 350 or so).
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By Odin.Blazza 2009-03-13 06:10:52
Saiya said: Wooooodum said: Blazza said: I'm SUPER gay.
Sorry :/ OMG I knew it! Trollin' Blazza since 2009™. I lol'd XD Same :D
Ok, so, this is for the young in heart (not the leet, they know this already) and unfamilar with this job. This topic is being told in this thread but I wish to not derail this thread too much. If you are a BLM who is endgame. Please respond by placing your message to the newbies. If you are a BLM who is a newbie, please, listen to sage advice. Here it goes: Korpg said: Aledacia said: Depending on what you're doing...
Merits. 8/8 Enfeeb, 5/5 Para II, 4/5 Slow II, 1/5 Phalanx II.
Use AF tabard + AF head or Elite Beret/+1 + Enfeebling/Spider Torque for Enfeebs.
MND Set - Paralyze/II, Slow/II: Sapphire Ring x2, Errant/Mahatma Slops, Devotee's Mitts/+1, Errant/Mahatma Pigaches, Rainbow Cape, Al Zahbi Sash/Penitent's Rope/Witch Sash. Just to name a few. Theres better stuff, but they cost more. ^^
INT Set - Gravity, Dispel, Poison, Bio I-III, Bind: Diamond Ring x2, Errant/Mahatma Slops, Errant/Mahatma Gloves, Errant/Mahatma Pigaches, Rainbow Cape, Al Zahbi Sash/Penitent's Rope/Witch Sash...
MND+ helps Para and Slow land more plus increases potency - particularly noticeable with Para.
INT+ helps Gravity, Dispel, Poison, Bio, Bind and other elemental/dark-based enfeebs/DoT's land.
MP Set - Intensifying Cape, Hierarch Belt, Serket Ring, Ether Ring, LV62 & LV70 RSE (in some cases), Astal/Insomnia/Antivenom Earrings, Hedgehog Bomb, Staff Strap, and so on.
Enfeebling Torque by far has to be the best investment I made in RDM. +Skill really helps, but in the long run you're gonna want to use Torque, AF bod, and Elite Beret/Duelist's Chapeau at maximum for +skill. +Stat for everywhere else.
Meripo or healing situations, focus on MP+ and maybe a healing Torque, along with Errant/Mahatma Bod + legs.
Wise head, pants and gloves may be beneficial in some circumstances, but personally I don't use them.
During Events, if you're /WHM, focus on healing, Slow, Para (switich between MP & MND sets as appropriate) refresh/phalanx II if you're in BLM PT... - unless they actually give you something in particular to do that differs from that. Slow II and Para II help a lot.
/BLM is most likely gonna be for things like Dynamis, maybe Einherjar... Sleepga, Sleep II, Sleep takes priority, other than that, enfeeb mobs, refresh/phalanx II if you're in BLM PT...
If you're in a DD PT, Haste, Refresh(if DRK, BLU, PLD etc) all members...heals, bar-ra spells as needed and so on. >_>
I can go on to DD and tanking sets if you want. >_> I agree with Aledacia on all but the bolded points. Reason 1: Find out who's your main RDM in your shell (if endgame and events) and ask them what their merits are. Whatever your main RDM has, don't merit it for the shell. If you don't have an endgame shell, then merit whatever you want. Go 6/6 spells if you feel like it. Reason 2 (both parts in the same sentence): In merit and healing situations, healing magic skill doesn't really help at all. You will be hitting cap if your MND is up there anyway (and if your healing magic is below 120 when you dinged 75, wtf have you been doing in your parties anyway?) Don't just work on MP+ though. Work on Enmity - also, so that emergancy cure bomb won't land you on the ground face first. Reason 3: No matter what, your sleepga in any situation will suck. If you are in a BLM party, you are not going to sleep shit, except maybe something with a Sleep II (if somebody is stupid enough to have /autoattack on still in events like that). Sleepga II > all. Einherjar = BLMs use ES + Sleepga. Even when I was the only BLM in this one run for Einherjar (which was a pain in the ass, I had to D2 30 people afterwards) I still had a great sleep rate over RDMs and SCHs in the same group. Without ES also (using ES ment that they slept for a lot longer, which ment that they didn't rape me when they woke up afterwards). The time for RDMs to sleep shit is over. BLMs > all. Oh, and another thing. Who ever uses Phalanx II on a BLM? Any BLM worth his/her salt would have /RDM. Let the BLM cast his own Phalanx (saves you MP, and helps them survive on their own). Korpg said: Aledacia said: @Reason #3, I've never had a problem with my sleepgas, but that could be due to 314 Enfeebling Magic & lots of +INT... I've rarely done Dynamis where the BLM's are the ones doing sleepga (or are good at it). =/
@Phalanx thingy - almost always the BLM's I've done events with are /WHM because they're too cheap to buy reraise items.
I do agree with asking your shell's main RDM about their merits. I'm my shell's main RDM at the moment so I didn't even think of that. @_@ Personally I <3 my Phalanx 2, Slow 2, Para 2 and Blind 2 merits...taking out Dia 3 and Bio 3 so I can enhance my enfeebs.
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Earth 2/5, Ice 2/5, Wind 1/5 potencey and 5/5 Convert merits are the way to go if you're doing a wide span of events and soloing.
Taru RDM... may wanna do 4/8 HP and 4/8 MP merits. 8/8 Enfeeb, 8/8 Enhancing. 4/8 Spell Interuption Rate will help too. Strange that your BLMs can't sleep shit. I have my usual setup (i.e. really cheap gear) of Iqira or however you spell it head/legs + AF body just for enfeebs (no torque) and 1/8 enfeeb merits (working on Elemental merits atm, then will do Enfeeb, but....) and I rarely get resists on anything, dynamis/ein-wise. You should yell at your BLMs to buy a RR earring (or not die) and sub RDM. It works wonders... Really cheap gear still gives you about 90% accuracy rate on enfeebs, and merits takes care of the rest. Aledacia said: Yeah its kind of sad actually. A lot of the time at least one of the following things happens, at least in Dynamis shells I've been in;
A. BLM's don't have Sleepga II, usually because they sold it upon getting it.
B. BLM's can't land Sleeps of any kind...
C. BLM's refuse to Sleepga, and say let the RDM's do it, because they don't want to die. (Even if there are off-tanks.)
D. Don't know how to sleep/target something that isn't being pulled. (Gogogo Sleepga 1 the front of the Sandy AH while we're pulling from the East Ronfaure gate. -.-)
I've been in maybe two-three shells where BLM's actually Sleepga -> nuke. Generally, everyone relies on the RDM's to do it.
Thus, I'm thinking of getting Hermes Sandals so I can pull on COR, instead of playing RDM and wanting to /wrists every run. =D Now, there is a lot of info that doesn't count towards BLMs (like RDM merits, but that was why this thread was made) but still, if you can see what the problems lie, then you will realize what we are talking about. So again, please say what you want to say. This is a discussion (and gripe session if you want it to be) of what newb BLMs should know now.
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