Fenrir.Yinsha said:
Why not just use 23% haste in gear and use guillotine?
Apoc Dead?
Apoc dead?
In high haste situations 1% is roughly 3%dmg in DOT and WS frequency, Guillotine won't do 9% more dmg then Cata.
That depends on what you're fighting though, right?
Fenrir.Mankey said:
In high haste situations 1% is roughly 3%dmg in DOT and WS frequency, Guillotine won't do 9% more dmg then Cata.
I never understood that argument...plz explain.. I get haste has increasing returns, but how is that statment possible in high end haste situations?
Bismarck.Dracondria said:
That depends on what you're fighting though, right?
Taking out 15 delay from 500 delay doesn't sound much, but taking 15 delay from 200 delay can be a lot
(it's just an example)
It's why the old 93%ish cap let you hit x5 faster than the current 80% cap.
(it's just an example)
It's why the old 93%ish cap let you hit x5 faster than the current 80% cap.
Fenrir.Mankey said:
Bismarck.Dracondria said:
That depends on what you're fighting though, right?
How much does guillo and cata do with an apoc?
Bismarck.Dracondria said:
Fenrir.Mankey said:
Bismarck.Dracondria said:
That depends on what you're fighting though, right?
How much does guillo and cata do with an apoc?
What you fight I guess? Normal buffs too
This any good? http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/180649
Yeah, it's due to haste being a delay reduction, rather than a "simple speed increase." (As in, 50% haste is not attacking 50% faster. With 50% haste you're actually attacking 100% faster.)
Therefore, the higher your haste is, the more valuable each extra haste you add will be.
Therefore, the higher your haste is, the more valuable each extra haste you add will be.
DRK can't use Belenos'.
No I get that Giazz, but at what point in the haste equation is 1% haste equal to 3% DPS and why?
Why do I keep seeing Vbelt? Ninurta's WRU?
Bahamut.Serj said:
I know people say the OAT weps are pretty close to relics, especially now that haste is easier to cap (as you said), but that would be the only instance where I could see it being "dead". Comparing it to other relics, to me, doesn't kill it, as they are all top of the line weapons and hard to obtain. Only if something that is massively easier to obtain and better would really kill it.
Even then, it (Apoc) will always have some sort of use, right? ._.
Edit: this was directed at Mankey and Night~
Even then, it (Apoc) will always have some sort of use, right? ._.
Edit: this was directed at Mankey and Night~
Spharai before were only a bit better than destroyers, now they blow everything away.
Odin.Sheelay said:
If you keep up with the ToM that raise their stats you will still endup owning the highest DMG weapon along with the additionale buffs and occasional damage boost.
At lvl 99 Apoc will probably endup with something like 40 Accuracy on it alone, meaning you will be able to access different armor options to reach haste cap, buff STP trait etc.
Apoc's WS has always and only been good for that 1 reason, meaning if new and better ways of hitting cap become available you will be finally free to use other {better} WS and see higher DMG results proc.
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said:
should of got urself an Aegis instead w
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
No I get that Giazz, but at what point in the haste equation is 1% haste equal to 3% DPS and why?
SE hurt DRK pretty bad this update, im prolly gonna give in and Level WAR or SAM soon, really hurts me to say it :/
well its not like the Apoc is "bad"... its still super high dmg, great acc and can put out monster WSs
edit: and thank you nightfyre
edit: and thank you nightfyre
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
well its not like the Apoc is "bad"... its still super high dmg, great acc and can put out monster WSs
edit: and thank you nightfyre
edit: and thank you nightfyre
WAR still does better with KJ/RR(depending on crits for the latter).
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
I know people say the OAT weps are pretty close to relics, especially now that haste is easier to cap (as you said), but that would be the only instance where I could see it being "dead". Comparing it to other relics, to me, doesn't kill it, as they are all top of the line weapons and hard to obtain. Only if something that is massively easier to obtain and better would really kill it.
Even then, it (Apoc) will always have some sort of use, right? ._.
Edit: this was directed at Mankey and Night~
Even then, it (Apoc) will always have some sort of use, right? ._.
Edit: this was directed at Mankey and Night~
Spharai before were only a bit better than destroyers, now they blow everything away.
You ever going to go for Spharai, Tiger? I've always been curious about that.
RR poops on anything DRK could ever do
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Fenrir.Mankey said:
RR poops on anything DRK could ever do
Quietus!
Bahamut.Serj said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
I know people say the OAT weps are pretty close to relics, especially now that haste is easier to cap (as you said), but that would be the only instance where I could see it being "dead". Comparing it to other relics, to me, doesn't kill it, as they are all top of the line weapons and hard to obtain. Only if something that is massively easier to obtain and better would really kill it.
Even then, it (Apoc) will always have some sort of use, right? ._.
Edit: this was directed at Mankey and Night~
Even then, it (Apoc) will always have some sort of use, right? ._.
Edit: this was directed at Mankey and Night~
Spharai before were only a bit better than destroyers, now they blow everything away.
You ever going to go for Spharai, Tiger? I've always been curious about that.
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
No I get that Giazz, but at what point in the haste equation is 1% haste equal to 3% DPS and why?
Well it should depend on your weapon delay too, no?
With a 450 delay, 66% to 67% haste is ~2.6% increase. (before accounting for JA delay etc.)
With a 492 delay though, 66% to 67% haste is ~3% increase. (before accounting for JA delay etc.)
Although it just varies very slightly.
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
No I get that Giazz, but at what point in the haste equation is 1% haste equal to 3% DPS and why?
Well it should depend on your weapon delay too, no?
With a 450 delay, 66% to 67% haste is ~2.6% increase. (before accounting for JA delay etc.)
With a 492 delay though, 66% to 67% haste is ~3% increase. (before accounting for JA delay etc.)
Although it just varies very slightly.
Fenrir.Mankey said:
RR poops on anything DRK could ever do
Stun is infinitely more useful than a Weapon skill 90% of Warriors can't even gear correctly for anyway.
If you're talking physical damage output... well, no contest... poordrk.
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
No I get that Giazz, but at what point in the haste equation is 1% haste equal to 3% DPS and why?
Well it should depend on your weapon delay too, no?
With a 450 delay, 66% to 67% haste is ~2.6% increase. (before accounting for JA delay etc.)
With a 492 delay though, 66% to 67% haste is ~3% increase. (before accounting for JA delay etc.)
Although it just varies very slightly.
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