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 Ramuh.Vinvv
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-06-21 18:28:28
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
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Leviathan.Dubont said:
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@dubont. If thats your faith that unicorns exist then no matter what i say you wont change it right? You will understand that but the fact you dont have faith in unicorns still will make it hard to understand faith. until you have faith you cannot understand it. EDIT: PAGE 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so basically, I don't understand anything until I've done it/seen it/felt it/had it w/e. This pretty much says "I'm a believer for absolutely no reason." You have no other argument than "I just do."
I'm curious Dubont, what do you believe in? If you can explain in more than a few words.
Why not just beleive in. Cause in effect? Things happen which cause other things to happen in a rediculous complicated manner.

Or to put an ism to it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism
I'm moree of an existentialist than anything
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-06-21 18:35:55
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God never promised to eliminate evil from the world, only punish those who commit evil. Your fun little words do not disprove God. And you cannot create a set up, saying if God existed there would be no evil and then say this person's God can't exist because evil exists (as defined by you).

That's an ill-conceived set up, again... the existence of evil doesn't disprove God or make him a bad god, please read all sources before submitting such things.
That last one actually isn't a cartoon. If you read the bottom it's a quote from a philospher from a long time ago.

And if you read the whole thing it does just that. What use is a "god" that creates a world of misery and suffering? Clearly not a loving creator. In fact that would make him quite malvolent.

Also you can't really pick and chose when you are trying to set a moral example from your own text. Doesn't really jive
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-06-21 18:50:45
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Diabolos.Gira said:
God never promised to eliminate evil from the world, only punish those who commit evil. Your fun little words do not disprove God. And you cannot create a set up, saying if God existed there would be no evil and then say this person's God can't exist because evil exists (as defined by you).

That's an ill-conceived set up, again... the existence of evil doesn't disprove God or make him a bad god, please read all sources before submitting such things.
That last one actually isn't a cartoon. If you read the bottom it's a quote from a philospher from a long time ago.

And if you read the whole thing it does just that. What use is a "god" that creates a world of misery and suffering? Clearly not a loving creator. In fact that would make him quite malvolent.

Also you can't really pick and chose when you are trying to set a moral example from your own text. Doesn't really jive
misery and suffering are more based on your perception of the world, we attach these emotions to things, therefore making an emotional situation.
Human nature is a cruel mistress, animals don't give a *** and I try not to :D
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By Nabis 2010-06-21 18:52:58
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Any of u held your new born son/daughter. This would make u think about things difrently.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-06-21 18:53:57
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Nabis said:
Any of u held your new born son/daughter. This would make u think about things difrently.
stay out of this nabis, you don't even need to talk about things that require deep though because you have none.
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By Diabolos.Gira 2010-06-21 18:58:07
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
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God never promised to eliminate evil from the world, only punish those who commit evil. Your fun little words do not disprove God. And you cannot create a set up, saying if God existed there would be no evil and then say this person's God can't exist because evil exists (as defined by you).

That's an ill-conceived set up, again... the existence of evil doesn't disprove God or make him a bad god, please read all sources before submitting such things.
That last one actually isn't a cartoon. If you read the bottom it's a quote from a philospher from a long time ago.

And if you read the whole thing it does just that. What use is a "god" that creates a world of misery and suffering? Clearly not a loving creator. In fact that would make him quite malvolent.

Also you can't really pick and chose when you are trying to set a moral example from your own text. Doesn't really jive

Clearly simple writing doesn't fly with you. "A political cartoon, a picture of a book, and a few lines of text." Is that better?

Again, you're CREATING standards for God to live up to. Who are you to define God?

Your logic doesn't suffice, I'm sorry... try again.
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By Shiva.Xet 2010-06-21 18:58:42
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Once again i have destroyed another troll/zealot/religion thread by using faith. Took 6 pages tho...
you believe in God just b/c you do...with no other reason which means your beliefs hold no credibility which one could also go on to say that you are psychologically insane...

Edit: Dasva....I see what u did there

We have no proof how most of the brain works but we know it does. That make us all insane cept the ppl that believe the brain doesn't work?
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-06-21 18:59:30
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Once again i have destroyed another troll/zealot/religion thread by using faith. Took 6 pages tho...
you believe in God just b/c you do...with no other reason which means your beliefs hold no credibility which one could also go on to say that you are psychologically insane...

Edit: Dasva....I see what u did there

We have no proof how most of the brain works but we know it does. That make us all insane cept the ppl that believe the brain doesn't work?
The brain clearly doesn't work, because threads like these keep popping up.
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By Alexander.Carrelo 2010-06-21 19:02:14
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Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Nabis said:
Any of u held your new born son/daughter. This would make u think about things difrently.
stay out of this nabis, you don't even need to talk about things that require deep though because you have none.

That seemed rather uncalled for. D: You do realize what he's describing is something profound ?
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By Zekko 2010-06-21 19:04:45
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Diabolos.Gira said:
God never promised to eliminate evil from the world, only punish those who commit evil. Your fun little words do not disprove God. And you cannot create a set up, saying if God existed there would be no evil and then say this person's God can't exist because evil exists (as defined by you).

That's an ill-conceived set up, again... the existence of evil doesn't disprove God or make him a bad god, please read all sources before submitting such things.
That last one actually isn't a cartoon. If you read the bottom it's a quote from a philospher from a long time ago.

And if you read the whole thing it does just that. What use is a "god" that creates a world of misery and suffering? Clearly not a loving creator. In fact that would make him quite malvolent.

Also you can't really pick and chose when you are trying to set a moral example from your own text. Doesn't really jive

Hey religion n00b!

God didnt create the world how it is, people have made the world how it is.
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By Shiva.Xet 2010-06-21 19:05:19
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Shiva.Daimos said:
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Once again i have destroyed another troll/zealot/religion thread by using faith. Took 6 pages tho...
you believe in God just b/c you do...with no other reason which means your beliefs hold no credibility which one could also go on to say that you are psychologically insane...

Edit: Dasva....I see what u did there

We have no proof how most of the brain works but we know it does. That make us all insane cept the ppl that believe the brain doesn't work?
The brain clearly doesn't work, because threads like these keep popping up.

we have a winner
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By Nabis 2010-06-21 19:05:22
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Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Nabis said:
Any of u held your new born son/daughter. This would make u think about things difrently.
stay out of this nabis, you don't even need to talk about things that require deep though"T" because you have none.

I didn't believe till I held my child for the very 1st time.
There is somthing, I can't explain it but it feels real.
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By Caitsith.Judaine 2010-06-21 19:08:58
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Zekko said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Diabolos.Gira said:
God never promised to eliminate evil from the world, only punish those who commit evil. Your fun little words do not disprove God. And you cannot create a set up, saying if God existed there would be no evil and then say this person's God can't exist because evil exists (as defined by you).

That's an ill-conceived set up, again... the existence of evil doesn't disprove God or make him a bad god, please read all sources before submitting such things.
That last one actually isn't a cartoon. If you read the bottom it's a quote from a philospher from a long time ago.

And if you read the whole thing it does just that. What use is a "god" that creates a world of misery and suffering? Clearly not a loving creator. In fact that would make him quite malvolent.

Also you can't really pick and chose when you are trying to set a moral example from your own text. Doesn't really jive

Hey religion n00b!

God didnt create the world how it is, people have made the world how it is.

That's correct. Humans actually made the world the way it is. As soon as Adam took a bite of the apple, that was the first sin. And with sin, comes evil. That's not saying if he had not taken a bite from the apple, there would have never been sin since, someone else would've sinned. Sin causes sickness as well, that's why there's 5 year olds with cancer. Sin is evil. And God didn't create this world just to punish us. We created the sin, evil, sickness.
Think of God as a parent (whether you're a Christian or not, just "pretend" <.<), your parents didn't let you get away with malicious acts you did, did they? No, they punished you to teach you a lesson.

Think about it.
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By Pandemonium.Kajidourden 2010-06-21 19:16:52
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Caitsith.Judaine said:
Zekko said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Diabolos.Gira said:
God never promised to eliminate evil from the world, only punish those who commit evil. Your fun little words do not disprove God. And you cannot create a set up, saying if God existed there would be no evil and then say this person's God can't exist because evil exists (as defined by you).

That's an ill-conceived set up, again... the existence of evil doesn't disprove God or make him a bad god, please read all sources before submitting such things.
That last one actually isn't a cartoon. If you read the bottom it's a quote from a philospher from a long time ago.

And if you read the whole thing it does just that. What use is a "god" that creates a world of misery and suffering? Clearly not a loving creator. In fact that would make him quite malvolent.

Also you can't really pick and chose when you are trying to set a moral example from your own text. Doesn't really jive

Hey religion n00b!

God didnt create the world how it is, people have made the world how it is.

That's correct. Humans actually made the world the way it is. As soon as Adam took a bite of the apple, that was the first sin. And with sin, comes evil. That's not saying if he had not taken a bite from the apple, there would have never been sin since, someone else would've sinned. Sin causes sickness as well, that's why there's 5 year olds with cancer. Sin is evil. And God didn't create this world just to punish us. We created the sin, evil, sickness.
Think of God as a parent (whether you're a Christian or not, just "pretend" <.<), your parents didn't let you get away with malicious acts you did, did they? No, they punished you to teach you a lesson.

Think about it.

And apparently god created us, just because someone made a bomb doesn't make them any less responsible for the people it kills. Creating us with the capacity to do so is a fallacy in itself no?

Edit: Meant with the capacity to sin in general, not specifically bomb making.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-06-21 19:19:45
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Diabolos.Gira said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Diabolos.Gira said:
God never promised to eliminate evil from the world, only punish those who commit evil. Your fun little words do not disprove God. And you cannot create a set up, saying if God existed there would be no evil and then say this person's God can't exist because evil exists (as defined by you). That's an ill-conceived set up, again... the existence of evil doesn't disprove God or make him a bad god, please read all sources before submitting such things.
That last one actually isn't a cartoon. If you read the bottom it's a quote from a philospher from a long time ago. And if you read the whole thing it does just that. What use is a "god" that creates a world of misery and suffering? Clearly not a loving creator. In fact that would make him quite malvolent. Also you can't really pick and chose when you are trying to set a moral example from your own text. Doesn't really jive
Again, you're CREATING standards for God to live up to. Who are you to define God?

Your logic doesn't suffice, I'm sorry... try again.
Who are you to define god?

Again saying that a being that creates knowingly and purposely creates misery is anything other than malvolent... well that's not only illogical it's just stubborn since that is the definition of malvolent
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By Pandemonium.Kajidourden 2010-06-21 19:19:46
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Shiva.Daimos said:
Shiva.Xet said:
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Once again i have destroyed another troll/zealot/religion thread by using faith. Took 6 pages tho...
you believe in God just b/c you do...with no other reason which means your beliefs hold no credibility which one could also go on to say that you are psychologically insane...

Edit: Dasva....I see what u did there

We have no proof how most of the brain works but we know it does. That make us all insane cept the ppl that believe the brain doesn't work?
The brain clearly doesn't work, because threads like these keep popping up.

Lol, well played sir.
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By Zekko 2010-06-21 19:20:19
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Pandemonium.Kajidourden said:
Caitsith.Judaine said:
Zekko said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Diabolos.Gira said:
God never promised to eliminate evil from the world, only punish those who commit evil. Your fun little words do not disprove God. And you cannot create a set up, saying if God existed there would be no evil and then say this person's God can't exist because evil exists (as defined by you).

That's an ill-conceived set up, again... the existence of evil doesn't disprove God or make him a bad god, please read all sources before submitting such things.
That last one actually isn't a cartoon. If you read the bottom it's a quote from a philospher from a long time ago.

And if you read the whole thing it does just that. What use is a "god" that creates a world of misery and suffering? Clearly not a loving creator. In fact that would make him quite malvolent.

Also you can't really pick and chose when you are trying to set a moral example from your own text. Doesn't really jive

Hey religion n00b!

God didnt create the world how it is, people have made the world how it is.

That's correct. Humans actually made the world the way it is. As soon as Adam took a bite of the apple, that was the first sin. And with sin, comes evil. That's not saying if he had not taken a bite from the apple, there would have never been sin since, someone else would've sinned. Sin causes sickness as well, that's why there's 5 year olds with cancer. Sin is evil. And God didn't create this world just to punish us. We created the sin, evil, sickness.
Think of God as a parent (whether you're a Christian or not, just "pretend" <.<), your parents didn't let you get away with malicious acts you did, did they? No, they punished you to teach you a lesson.

Think about it.

And apparently god created us, just because someone made a bomb doesn't make them any less responsible for the people it kills. Creating us with the capacity to do so is a fallacy in itself no?

Edit: Meant with the capacity to sin in general, not specifically bomb making.

I don't understand what you are trying to say :<
 
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By Leviathan.Dubont 2010-06-21 19:22:44
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Shiva.Xet said:
Leviathan.Dubont said:
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Once again i have destroyed another troll/zealot/religion thread by using faith. Took 6 pages tho...
you believe in God just b/c you do...with no other reason which means your beliefs hold no credibility which one could also go on to say that you are psychologically insane...

Edit: Dasva....I see what u did there

We have no proof how most of the brain works but we know it does. That make us all insane cept the ppl that believe the brain doesn't work?
we have machines that show certain parts of the brain working depending on what the "host" has to do. Proving that the brain works is actually very easy with the right equipment.
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By Siren.Miayoko 2010-06-21 19:24:31
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What is this...I don't even.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-06-21 19:41:58
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The brain clearly doesn't work, because threads like these keep popping up.
There are still christians so of course no ones brain works!
Not sure how the beliefs of a few is a reflection of the whole. Especially the majority

Unless you are meaning we should do something about them... and well we know where that leads.

/sadface
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By Caitsith.Judaine 2010-06-21 19:43:18
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The brain clearly doesn't work, because threads like these keep popping up.

There are still christians so of course no ones brain works!

I'd honestly rather you not say anything derogatory about my, and other people's religion ^_^
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By Caitsith.Judaine 2010-06-21 19:50:32
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The brain clearly doesn't work, because threads like these keep popping up.

There are still christians so of course no ones brain works!

I'd honestly rather you not say anything derogatory about my, and other people's religion ^_^

Hey, *** yourself. :D

Thank you. God loves you.
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2010-06-21 19:50:49
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Just remind them they're only 30% of the world.

They tend to go ballistic.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-06-21 19:51:00
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Shiva.Xet said:
Leviathan.Dubont said:
Shiva.Xet said:
Once again i have destroyed another troll/zealot/religion thread by using faith. Took 6 pages tho...
you believe in God just b/c you do...with no other reason which means your beliefs hold no credibility which one could also go on to say that you are psychologically insane...

Edit: Dasva....I see what u did there

We have no proof how most of the brain works but we know it does. That make us all insane cept the ppl that believe the brain doesn't work?
We know exactly how most of the brain works. The heck you smokin'?
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By Asura.Israfel 2010-06-21 19:54:07
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Caitsith.Judaine said:
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The brain clearly doesn't work, because threads like these keep popping up.

There are still christians so of course no ones brain works!

I'd honestly rather you not say anything derogatory about my, and other people's religion ^_^
I'm with you on this >_> let's practice a bit of 'live and let live' everyone~~~~.
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By Alexander.Vivicide 2010-06-21 19:56:37
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Quite honestly, let's use some logic here. Let's say there is a god. You would agree he's an omnipotent being perfect in every way. Why would he create us so imperfectly? Take the annihilation of Saddam and Gomorrah. Why give someone freedom of thought then destroy them because they don't think how you want? When you destroy something you made it's only because you've made a mistake. I think making a mistake kind of negates the fact your omnipotent and perfect if you can't create perfectly.
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