Note To All Smn Burners.

Being PL'd =/= Standing still doing nothing

And yes I do, If I'm a healer or a Tank, and they won't let me play my job.

And if you're a DD?

And it's not the exact same, but it's also not "earning" as you're having the hard part done for you. Or as you can say, it's like rare candy. Faster levels = less effort put in.

I'd rather pay to leech in an astral burn than grind out exp in conventional parties.

a)I don't have too tough a time making gil
b)Exp'n/Meriting is boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring and I hates it

I burned BRD/THF through to ToAU camps because I wanted ISP while I leveled. Now I can't even be bothered to do that because experiencing sucks.

It is more effort, than standing still AFKing in a tunnel waiting for summoners to kill mobs.

Yes, it's slightly lazy, but at least you have to be at your PC to gain levels.

Then you're playing the wrong game then lol.

You don't like EXPing so you played final fantasy XI?

Before SMN burning was discovered, I had 2 jobs at level 75. After SMN burning, I have 3 (and my DRK wasn't even burned to 75). Leveling was never something I enjoyed. I simply did it because it's a necessary evil of this game.

Before SMN buring was discovered, I was actually active in end game, so it's not like I had any time to level something. Demanding work schedule and demanding end game schedule didn't allow much time to level. But my attitudes about the game have changed, and so did my opinion of "fun." End game wasn't fun anymore, so I quit. The only thing that was fun was going out with my social LS and doing whatever stupid ***came to mind, or helping people with whatever they needed. Things that people don't consider fun anymore, like farming Swift Belts or Soboros, or taking on an NM that we know we can't handle, or even going out and soloing merits in campaign battle is considered fun for me.

Astral Burning is considered fun for me. I don't think I'd have fun with it if I was doing it with random people.

I've earned every level and every piece of equipment I have. I'm quite content with where my main job (WHM) is at in terms of merits and gear. There's nothing on my "want list." I've pretty much reached my peak of where I want to be with that job. I have no interest in other jobs. I have no interests in end game. I don't even have interest in Maat's Cap, which you seem to think that's the ultimate goal of Astral Burners.

I've asked you this before, and I'll ask you again: I have no interest in end game anymore. It's not fun for me. I have no interest in kissing someone's *** to obtain a piece of equipment that will keep me happy until I discover a new toy I "need." I have no interest in keeping up with a schedule for a GAME. None. So I just don't do it. What's the harm in me Astral Burning? The only people it affects is the LS I do it with, and they don't give a damn obviously.

By the way, 3 75 jobs and I only fought Maat on one, and that was only to increase my level cap.

I enjoy camping NMs, actually. That's what I spend most of my time doing, whether it's for me or other people. I enjoy the one-on-one competition, not the Bot LS-against-Bot LS that HNM is.

Maybe you're still pretty new to this game, and have this wide-eyed sense of idealism of what the perfect Vana'diel is. But I've been playing since PC launch. That wide-eyed idealism you have is long gone. Vana'diel and its players aren't perfect, in fact, compared to other MMORPG communities, FFXI is the most divided of them all.

Enter generic "It's my 12.95, I'll do what I want with it statement." here:

There are aspects of partying that I enjoy, working with and meeting new people for example. But the act of partying and killing stuff over and over to level up became redundant long ago.

I enjoy crafting and helping people and meeting new people. So clearly I'm playing the right game.

Flion's getting a lot of hate here for a valid point. No matter how you look at it if you stand around in a SMN burn doing *** all for your levels other than paying, then you are a grade A gimp. It's the whole 'doing *** all' part that annoys us 'SMN burn haters'. And before anyone tries to draw a comparison to xping normally; it's completely different, stop kidding yourself.

Nowai in the TOS it says you must meet the monthly EXP quota otherwise you're not playing the game right!

/sarcasm

It annoys me when people dictate how you play a game.

Another note: I have nothing against Flion and understand where they're coming from. They don't have anything against AB'ing. Just against the part that people charge/pay for something so easily doable.

I'm with them 100% on being against it. If you have to charge for your time then you just need to quit the game. It's just plain stupid in my eyes.

Flion also thinks that his idea of fun (Maat's Cap, end game) should be the same for everyone else. He can hate SMN burning all he wants, but don't think for a second I should have to play by HIS rules.

I'm also interested in what you and Flion consider "leeches" in the actual AB. People who have never ABed before don't know all the prep work that goes before the actual burn itself. So please, enlighten me on your definition of leeches, because I can guarantee you, while I may be leeching during the actual burn, I'm the one doing the work while the SMNs stand there and do "*** all."

More or less, what he said.

He never asked you to, he was just voicing his opinion.

Lol I never claimed people had to play by 'My rules' I simply stated my opinion, which you seemed to take A LOT of offence at.

If I were taking offense, wouldn't I have simply called you an idiot?

I don't recall ever calling you an idiot in this thread.

I'm simply trying to show you that the ultimate goal of everyone who Astral Burns is not Maat's Cap or to use that job in end game. You seem to think that's everyone's goal. It isn't.

The hostile tones were pretty obvious lol.

You seemed to take offence in the huge and pointlessly long posts you made.

Maybe he's bored at work like I am

Some people also like to argue for the sake of arguing because they're bored at work

I dunno, you can say I'm a chump for paying to get astral burned. But the way I see it, if I can rub one out and get a few levels at the same time, that's win in my book.

Hostile? Really? Flion, we've both been posting here long enough to know what each others' attitudes are. If I were being hostile, you'd know I'd be flaming you left and right, calling you every name in the book, typical "troll" behavior, correct?

You're reading into them as hostile, but you know better than that.

So because you don't agree with me, it's pointless? Of course it's long, that was my intent. Discussion.

The fact you guys keep posting one liners is making me believe your intent is not discussion, but flaming.

Your call mate, if you want to be lazy and level up the chump method that's fine by me. I don't judge... much. But like I said; it's your opinions, don't get butthurt because someone disagrees.

If you want to stop the 'discussion' simply stop posting.

epic win

Yep Dram Post Keep me occupied @ work too lol

on a related note....
SMN Burn On Odin help me out(my 2hr for XP) 8D !!!!!!

No one's getting butthurt :O

And if you want to waste your time by using the sucker method, that's fine by me.

When did I say I wanted to stop discussion? Didn't I just say my intent WAS discussion?

I don't SMN burn.

Nothing wrong with SMN burn tbh. Once the job is 75, it's nothing you can't learn in less time than it would have taken to lv to 75 grinding exp.

No, you would just rather waste endless hours leveling in a "legit" party, going through the same motions countless time. That makes you a sucker. You're a sucker for ridiculous time sinks such as leveling the "legit" way.

By the way, do you ever Level Sync?

Your avatar just keeps spinning in one long incredibly unbroken animation moving in circle after circle with nothing to interrupt, it was really quite hypnotic.

there must be a huge amount of ppl buying into SMN burns on other servers. bc i havent really seen it on ifrit or now here on shiva. i have a group of friends that do it, and we havent really been bothered by ppl asking to "Buy in" a leech spot. we have a fair amount of ppl @ sync level wishing to get a quick kick in the exp department. but that's usually about it.

i guess i can kinda understand being angry about ppl basically paying in for burn spots. but.... in all honesty, i could care less rofl. right now i've been lfp on my 35drk for about 2hrs. no invites, no one really seeking. if my buddies were on, i'd take my alt char as tank, get to pulling and we'd get to burning.

i guess the difference i see between my group and most groups is that we have 4 pullers, can reel in mobs much faster, and we go without dying. lol. it's crazy how many smn's we see get hosed during the burn phase. i don't get it but meh.

either way... don't ask to get into my burns, we're full unless you have a level 13 sync. we are pretty fair about "hoarding" the zone. we won't bother you unless you bother us. we are willing to "share" the zone if you are courteous and non-pigheaded.

The whole point is to learn as you level, not when you're a 75 PLD that doesn't know wtf Rampart does.