Note To All Smn Burners.

Well this topic was pretty much toast by the third page. I brought into play one big reason why some people will just AB jobs they want to lvl.


@ Woooood- In the past people invited base on the job's role and not about the exp. Lot of people played back then and didn't care about exp/hr. Now that this game has lost much of it's luster due to other reasons, others are stuck to playing only few jobs based on exp/hr.
I could've easily lvl'd SAM, but I see it as a bandwagon job like RDM was when people posted videos of RDM/NIN soloing almost everything.

Can the game be played with the rest of the unwanted jobs? Yeah, but then it comes down to what the playerbase prefers.

Working on =/= having it

Honestly, I couldn't care less what gear other people have. I don't preoccupy myself with what everyone else is doing.

Well same goes for PLD worthelss in meripo's so you have a few options:
1. make your own prty
2. Use another job to get merits for your unfavored job (if your a seeker)
3. Lv sync so your merits that you do or don't have aren't in question.
4. C. Battle for merits

take your choice. I sounds like people should feel mandated to inv you just because your seeking. Some jobs would get inv's most of the time depending on what job it is its like lol deal with it.

It does, and I'm not disputing that. But you're pinning the blame of this on the playerbase when it's nothing to do with them. The playerbase come to preferences based on how the game and its jobs can utilise what they get. If the developers decided a certain job couldn't do as much damage as others, it comes as no surprise that these jobs aren't preferred in parties.

Again, this is not the playerbase's fault. They simply come to their preferences based on what the developers made available.

i need to move servers.

Idk. To me it's not that deep. I can't favor one camp over another because of the fast, easy exp. I feel sorrow for people wanting to play other jobs for enjoyment and will build parties based on that.

By now most people have their "group" to roll with so it doesn't matter because you're already getting what you want, but it's a shame to lose out on playing the other half of the game because I don't have 4-5 jobs that are liked for EG.

Anyways I'm done with this and value your responses.

@Veg-Not high standards that you hold. You've been there, done that and found your niche. If they were high standards then you'd be viewed as an *** and have a big group of haters.

Well end game and exp parties are two very different things... And if you're insinuating jobs getting a bad stick in exp parties means you can't enjoy endgame, then I'll have to disagree with that. BRD or RDM is one of the most favoured jobs endgame and they're probably the quickest to get to 75 through pickup exp parties alone.

WAR 24 MNK 11
WHM 41 BLM 75
RDM 60 THF 10
PLD 10 DRK 33
BST 10 BRD 0
RNG 10 SAM 38
NIN 37 DRG 64
SMN 31 BLU 61
COR 22 PUP 0
SCH 10 DNC 13

That's enough for endgame lol.

I haven't tried for EG, but I'd like to have more than just BLM ;P

I was just talking about jobs that get no love in exp parties, but liked in EG.

Quoting quotes is the hippest thing these days?


I'm actually scared to do EG. That's my only excuse.

The most I'll take this is that if I have friends that I know personally, then I don't care what they have (and yes I have brown belt friends). I will party with them because I am their friends. Complete strangers do not get this same treatment from me. This is coming from a mnk. I sat at those camps day after day for months and donated seals to shells in which were capable of beating ks99s. From start to finish, it took 6 months of actively seeking a black belt going to all available NMs that did not interfere w/ school or events before I was finally able to latch on my belt. Now, years later, it should be easier than it was for me due to the number of ppl w/ black belts and the lower number of those needing them. I have been there, and yes i do feel for them, but then you have the ppl who sit there and say "black belt is hard, I will never have one" giving no indication of even giving a thought to trying.

Hopfully your a lil kid with that last comment lol if not you should really consider quiting for real. On another note the 1 and only 75 you have BLM is actually 1 of the most jobs people look for in EG so with Blm alone most all EG will want you.

I kid, I kid! I just don't have time for it. I'm not complaining about not having EG jobs. It was just a piss poor example.

I'd love to do some of that stuff, but I have a choice of kiss my RL away or make my GL, my RL.

Like how everyone is attacking Veg for not wanting to get low exp/hr. I've known Veg for just over 3years now very nice/helpful guy and one of the best players I know.

And he is right its 2010 now MNKs w/o black belts are either to lazy to get it or don't care for it , or there working to get it. Alot of hnmls's give away/sell BB items now. So it's much easier to get a hold of these days.

So you're soloing/duoing on mobs that the SMN burn pt doesnt stand to have anything to gain from, you're neither disproving my argument or strengthening yours. If people ask you to leave off worms, they obviously have no idea what they're doing.

In regards to people who say 'omg people have no idea how hate will work!' This simply isn't true. Chances are if you're SMN burning, you have a pretty good understanding how game/hate mechanics. While gimp skills may be one negative result of SMN burn, it can be remedied through hours of skill up. it doesn't take THAT long to skill up and SMN burns are an effective way to eliminate the 'douche bags' who think they know everything in exp parties when really they have gimp gear and no understanding of how the game works.

wow, just wow, where's that guy with the smn burn toll road at, "pay to burn or suffer the diaga"

The guy you bolded probably made that ***up, because no one is going to tell people who are exping off of WORMS "You can't do that cause we're burning."

Every bit of this ^ is fact

I like how everyone gets butt hurt over this, when 99% of the people bitching never venture there other than to burn themselves. Who cares, if people want to burn their jobs for exp/merits let them, it will show later on.

It won't show later if the person was a good player to begin with.

I encourage all anti-ABers to start parties and invite jobs that normally don't get invites. Yes, even PUPs.

I suppose the whole reason it irks anyone is because SMN-burning is only one or two steps above buying a character. You don't do any work so you don't deserve anything. It's like working your whole life to just survive, and then your friend, neighbor, relative etc just gets $2 million in inheritance money while doing nothing. Sure, you can say "Good for you" and all that, but deep down, you want them to die. You just don't show it.

To get any deeper on that, you'd have to elaborate on anonymity as a whole. In general, you cannot get hurt from the internet because no one knows who you are and as such, you're free to say whatever you want. And that's where peoples' true feelings come out.

As for me personally, I can't stand SMN-burning as a concept, but I don't condemn people for doing it either. Regardless of the means to an end, people are people and should be treated for who they are, not for what underhanded tactic they do to make life easier for themselves.

Are you saying you only invite some jobs to xp? Are ya racist of jobs or something? I myself have partied with every job and have had great xp parties. Yes, even PUPs.

believe it or not, pups are the best DD until at least 60, then at that point they compete w/ the heavy DDs until 65, which is where they start to fall off.

Nope. I'm saying invites aren't as easy to come by when you're not a bandwagon SAM or RDM.

One of the key components of an Astral burn party is....SUMMONERS! Unless you would invite a random Summoner, someone you don't know and therefore can attest to their skills, over a random Red Mage of the same level, also someone you don't know and can't attest to their skills, I fail to see how the "get exp the legit way" applies as a valid argument.

And I only used PUPs because they're the current loljob.

;; pups are scary. Not the actual pup job, but the puppets themselves. Mine's name is Nutcracker and he creeps me out, whenever I get him out I try to ignore him. Poor doll, he probably feels neglected and abandoned.

I always did, I always had far more fun with a diverse party rather than

sam or drg x2 pld brd rdm

I enjoy having different jobs, Nothing cooler than watching a smn do crap in an actual party, or seeing a drk with a huge scythe or great sword.