ALL TRUMP!!! ALL THE TIME!!!

So if you're not convicted for a crime, it never happened?

Wasn't Trump also fined $2 million for misusing charitable funds? I don't think a person can get fined unless found guilty of a criminal act.

A civil penalty or civil fine is a financial penalty imposed by a government agency as restitution for wrongdoing. The wrongdoing is typically defined by a codification of legislation, regulations, and decrees. The civil fine is not considered to be a criminal punishment, because it is primarily sought in order to compensate the state for harm done to it, rather than to punish the wrongful conduct. As such, a civil penalty, in itself, will not carry jail time or other legal penalties.

LOL semantics

Not semantics, law. Has Trump done things that are wrong? Duh, so has the entirety of the Congressional body that tried to boot him out of office. Crime has a legal definition.

We are in a situation where ... everyone is agreeing and still arguing, it's interesting.

This guy trying hard to look like his idol, Karl Marx.

Nobody cares about either report so seems like a legit reply.

So, your rebuttal against actual news that makes your side look bad is to rephrase the caption into literal facts I don't like? I have no idea what your game is at this point.

Yeah, who cares about grown men assaulting teenagers for their political beliefs? Trump probably tweeted something, let's have a four page conversation about that instead.

Point is, because you see something on the internet doesn't make it true. Anyone can create BS memes/stories/"news", or be gullible to believe the BS and spread the hate.

How many Republicans? And can you quote them?

Lamar Alexander (Tennessee)
“I worked with other senators to make sure that we have the right to ask for more documents and witnesses, but there is no need for more evidence to prove something that has already been proven and that does not meet the United States Constitution’s high bar for an impeachable offense.”

“There is no need for more evidence to prove that the president asked Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden and his son, Hunter; he said this on television on October 3, 2019, and during his July 25, 2019, telephone call with the president of Ukraine. There is no need for more evidence to conclude that the president withheld United States aid, at least in part, to pressure Ukraine to investigate the Bidens…The question then is not whether the president did it…”

https://www.alexander.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=PressReleases&id=AA7E4960-6788-43A9-AF03-5DC456A0D448

”I think he shouldn’t have done it. I think it was wrong. Inappropriate was the way I’d say — improper, crossing the line. And then the only question left is who decides what to do about that . . . I think what he did is a long way from treason, bribery, high crimes, and misdemeanors. I don't think it's the kind of inappropriate action that the framers would expect the Senate to substitute its judgment for the people in picking a president.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/sen-lamar-alexander-what-president-trump-did-was-improper-77957189570

Rob Portman (Ohio)
“I do not believe that additional witnesses are needed. I have said consistently for the past four months, since the Zelensky transcript was first released, that I believe that some of the president’s actions in this case – including asking a foreign country to investigate a potential political opponent and the delay of aid to Ukraine – were wrong and inappropriate.”

https://www.portman.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/portman-statement-witnesses-senate-impeachment-trial

“Since first seeing the transcript of the phone call between President Trump and President Zelensky four months ago, I’ve consistently said that the President asking Ukraine for an investigation of Joe Biden was inappropriate and wrong. I’ve also said since then that any actions taken by members of the administration or those outside the administration to try to delay military assistance or a White House meeting pending an investigation by Ukraine were not appropriate, either. But while I don’t condone this behavior, these actions do not rise to the level of removing President Trump from office and taking him off the ballot in a presidential election season that’s already well underway. …In this case, no crime is alleged. …It’s better to let the people decide. Early voting has already started in some states and the Iowa caucuses occurred last night. Armed with all the information, we should let the voters have their say at the ballot box.” (

https://www.portman.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/portman-senate-floor-im-voting-against-articles-impeachment

Susan Collins (Maine)
“The point is, impeachment of a president should be reserved for conduct that poses such a serious threat to our governmental institutions as to warrant the extreme step of immediate removal from office. …It is clear from the July 25, 2019, phone call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Zelensky that the investigation into the Bidens’ activities requested by President Trump was improper and demonstrated very poor judgment. …Regardless, it was wrong for President Trump to mention former Vice President Biden on that phone call, and it was wrong for him to ask a foreign country to investigate a political rival. …While I do not believe that the conviction of a President requires a criminal act, the high bar for removal from office is perhaps even higher when the impeachment is for a difficult-to-define noncriminal act. …I do not believe that the House has met its burden of showing that the President’s conduct – however flawed – warrants the extreme step of immediate removal from office. Nor does the record support the assertion by the House Managers that the President must not remain in office one moment longer. …this decision is not about whether you like or dislike this President – or agree with or oppose his policies – or approve or disapprove of his conduct in other circumstances. Rather, it is about whether the charges meet the very high Constitutional standard of ‘Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes or Misdemeanors.’…It is my judgment that, except when extraordinary circumstances require a different result, we should entrust to the people the most fundamental decision of a democracy, namely, who should lead their country.”

https://www.collins.senate.gov/newsroom/senator-collins-announces-her-position-impeachment-articles

Lisa Murkowski (Alaska)
“Given the partisan nature of this impeachment from the very beginning and throughout, I have come to the conclusion that there will be no fair trial in the Senate. I don't believe the continuation of this process will change anything.” (Statement)

“The House failed in its responsibilities. And the Senate should be ashamed by the rank partisanship that has been on display. …The President’s behavior was shameful and wrong. His personal interests do not take precedence over those of this great nation. The president has the responsibility to uphold the integrity and honor of the office. Not just for himself but for all future presidents. Degrading the office, by actions or even name calling, weakens it for future presidents, and weakens our country. All of this rotted the foundation of the process, and this was why I reached the conclusion that there would be no fair trial. While the trial was held in the Senate, it was litigated in the court of public opinion. …The response to the President’s behavior is not to disenfranchise nearly 63 million Americans and remove him from the ballot. The House could have pursued censure, not immediately jumped to the remedy of last resort. I cannot vote to convict. The Constitution provides for impeachment, but does not demand it in all instances. …The voters will pronounce a verdict in nine months, and we must trust their judgment.

https://www.murkowski.senate.gov/press/release/senator-murkowski-speaks-on-impeachment-trial

Ben Sasse (Nebraska)
“Lamar speaks for lots and lots of us.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/us/politics/alexander-impeachment-witnesses.html?auth=login-google

“I believe that delaying the aid was inappropriate and wrong and shouldn’t have happened.”

https://www.omaha.com/news/state_and_regional/sasse-says-delaying-aid-to-ukraine-was-wrong-but-not/article_86b063c8-cbab-5c23-86fe-acb8e54f5221.html

“It’s clear that the president had mixed motives in his decision to temporarily withhold military aid from Ukraine. The line between personal and public was not firmly safeguarded….When the president spoke to Ukraine’s president Zelensky in July 2019, he seems to have believed he was doing something that was simultaneously good for America, and good for himself politically — namely, reinforcing the legitimacy of his 2016 victory…The call with Zelensky was certainly not “perfect,” and the president’s defense was made weaker by staking out that unrepentant position….Moreover, Giuliani’s off-the-books foreign policy-making is unacceptable, and his role in walking the president into this airplane propeller is underappreciated: His Crowdstrike theory was a bonkers attempt not only to validate Trump’s 2016 election, and to flip the media’s narrative of Russian interference, but also to embarrass a possible opponent. One certainty from this episode is that America’s Mayor shouldn’t be any president’s lawyer. It’s time for the president and adults on his team to usher Rudy off the stage — and to ensure that we do not normalize rogue foreign policy conducted by political operatives with murky financial interests….Even if one concedes that John Bolton’s entire testimony would support Adam Schiff’s argument, this doesn’t add to the reality already established: The aid delay was wrong…And importantly, this happened three weeks before the legal deadline. To repeat: The president’s official staff repeatedly prevailed upon him, Ukraine ultimately got the money, and no political investigation was initiated or announced. You don’t remove a president for initially listening to bad advisors but eventually taking counsel from better advisors — which is precisely what happened here….We need to shore up trust. A reckless removal would do the opposite, setting the nation on fire.”

https://www.omaha.com/opinion/midlands-voices-open-letter-from-ben-sasse-presents-his-take/article_fc051711-967c-5551-a8eb-de6d3be64cbc.html

Mitt Romney (Utah)
VOTING TO CONVICT. “The historic meaning of the words “high crimes and misdemeanors,” the writings of the Founders and my own reasoned judgement convince me that a president can indeed commit acts against the public trust that are so egregious that while they are not statutory crimes, they would demand removal from office. …The President’s counsel noted that Vice President Biden appeared to have a conflict of interest when he undertook an effort to remove the Ukrainian Prosecutor General. If he knew of the exorbitant compensation his son was receiving from a company actually under investigation, the Vice President should have recused himself. While ignoring a conflict of interest is not a crime, it is surely very wrong. …The defense argues that the Senate should leave the impeachment decision to the voters. While that logic is appealing to our democratic instincts, it is inconsistent with the Constitution’s requirement that the Senate, not the voters, try the president. …The grave question the Constitution tasks senators to answer is whether the President committed an act so extreme and egregious that it rises to the level of a “high crime and misdemeanor.” Yes, he did. The President asked a foreign government to investigate his political rival. The President withheld vital military funds from that government to press it to do so. The President delayed funds for an American ally at war with Russian invaders. The President’s purpose was personal and political. Accordingly, the President is guilty of an appalling abuse of the public trust.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/05/mitt-romney-impeachment-vote-speech-transcript-110849

Marco Rubio (Florida)

Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office.

https://medium.com/@SenatorMarcoRubio/my-statement-on-the-presidents-impeachment-trial-9669e82ccb43

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Uh, we were talking about Republicans who stated that the President committed a crime but voted to acquit him anyway. I'm fully aware that many believe that he shouldn't have done what he did, but that does not automatically constitute that they believe a crime was committed.

Btw, I'm curious to know how you feel about the Democrats not voting to convict Clinton. Was that "enabling" him too? After all, there is practically nobody who questions that a crime was committed.

All that MSM, didn't you say it was all fake?

Clinton committed a crime, yes.
Trump committed a crime, yes again.

Crimes are not just punishable by jail time, they can be punishable by jail, or fines, or both.

Maybe someone else should do your arguing for you, as whatever you’re trying to do is failing pretty hard. It’s like you’re trying to twist my words against me, but don’t understand any of the context so it ends up falling flat.

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Typical rhetoric from Rav. I have to wonder if this is even conscious and done with intent or you just deceive yourself into believing answering another question than which was actually posed is a legitimate answer. I am not asking if anyone is legally charged as a criminal, but if it refutes the fact that a crime has occured simply because noone was charged with it.

If you need help breaking this down into simpler terms I can do that for you.

It's okay Rava, I'll continue as-is. I do have a suggestion for you. Perhaps when you respond to someone you can refrain from commenting on the person posting, and just focus on the actual comment made or subject being discussed?