Random Politics & Religion #22

Trump saying Australia's single payer healthcare system is better than ours...?

Of course the Australians have better healthcare than we do --everybody does. ObamaCare is dead! But our healthcare will soon be great.

He Tweeted out a clarifying statement yesterday:

He Tweeted out a clarifying statement yesterday:

SEATTLE—As debate continues in Washington over the funding of President Obama’s health care initiative, sources confirmed Thursday that 39-year-old Daniel Seaver, a man who understands a total of 8 percent of the Affordable Care Act, offered a vehement defense of the legislation to 41-year-old Alex Crawford, who understands 5 percent of it.

“First of all, Obamacare will reduce insurance premiums for most people, and no one can be denied coverage if they have preexisting conditions and stuff like that,” said Seaver, displaying over half of his 8 percent grasp on the sweeping health care reform policy. “Which means a whole bunch of uninsured Americans—I’m talking millions of people here—will finally have access to health care. How can you not get behind that?”

“And Medicare has nothing to do with this, by the way—that’s a separate thing,” continued Seaver, adding one of the few remaining facts he knows about Obamacare. “This just deals with the private insurance companies and makes sure they can’t, you know, drive up costs through the roof.”

According to reports, Seaver mounted an impressive case given his severely limited knowledge of the actual law itself, bolstering his 8 percent understanding of the Affordable Care Act with his 6 percent awareness of the nation’s current economic landscape. Crawford, meanwhile, demonstrated just about the full extent of his understanding of Obamacare by claiming that its provisions could potentially kill jobs.

Sources confirmed that, if asked, neither man would actually be able to correctly define the term “HMO” or coherently explain what a health care exchange actually is and how such a thing would actually work on a regional basis.

“If you get insurance through your job, you can keep it, so this won’t affect a lot of people,” said Seaver, failing to incorporate roughly 90 percent of the bill’s actual groundwork into his semi-accurate assertion. “It’ll really only change things for really poor people who live below the poverty line. That’s it.”

“Saying this is somehow a government takeover of the healthcare industry is, quite frankly, a flat-out lie,” added Seaver, forcefully and passionately summarizing what he remembers from an informed person’s opinion he read on a website recently. “All this does is offer a public option.”

Over the course of the next half hour, the two men used their full comprehension of what reportedly amounts to several sentences at best of the Affordable Care Act to debate many facets of the 906-page piece of legislation. On separate occasions, sources said Seaver and Crawford both claimed to have done “a lot of research” on the subject.

“Okay, I hear your points, but I think there are a lot of other factors to consider,” said Crawford, boldly countering Seaver’s 8 percent knowledge of the subject with his own 5 percent familiarity with it. “It’s actually going to raise insurance costs for most people. The way it actually works is, see, there are different tiers. And these different tiers, or levels or whatever, have different co-payments. And then there’s the individual mandate, which means you’re required by law to get insurance, otherwise you pay higher taxes. So, you see, there are all these other things to think about.”

“Are you starting to get it?” Crawford added, after almost completely emptying his accumulated knowledge on the subject in one fell swoop. “It’s complicated, for sure.”

The two men, whose collective net understanding reportedly makes up, in a generous estimate, little more than one one-tenth of the entire Affordable Care Act, then repeatedly volleyed back and forth over the constitutionality of the law—a matter that sources confirmed they have a roughly 0.000001 percent knowledge of.

Sources also confirmed that the two men independently opted not to introduce at all the subjects of prescription drugs, the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, the law’s effect on small business owners, exemptions, state costs, specific penalties for opting out, effects on the marketplace, the nation’s existing overall quality of health care, any specific statistic whatsoever, and the federal budget.

“Hold on, Alex, let’s go back to the premiums for a second, because I feel like I need to drive this point home for you: they’ll get lower for most people,” said Seaver, straining the very limits of his 8 percent comprehension of the bill to the point of utter collapse. “Lower premiums, lower deductibles, and no denial of coverage to people with preexisting conditions.”

“Way lower premiums,” Seaver added.

At press time, both men’s understanding of Obamacare had dropped to 3 percent as a result of the debate.

I guess they also love how the cost of healthcare sky rocketed under Obama care and how most people couldn't afford it. That is great right ?

This whole scare tactic the Democrats are using is really quite sad. I mean people hated Obama care mostly. Then all of the sudden when you try to take it away people love it ? Make up your damn minds.

Except those people are mostly Trumps voters who were under the impression the ACA and Obamacare were two entirely different things.

And most people couldn't afford it? Lol okay. Not wanting to pay for something =/= unaffordable.

“Nobody dies because they don’t have access to health care.”

Congressman Raúl Labrador R - Idaho.

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If it wasn't for the warm weather and the beach/ocean I don't see why any sane person would visit.

If it wasn't for the warm weather and the beach/ocean I don't see why any sane person would visit.

Polls say 35% of Americans or 1 in 3 people don't know that the ACA and Obamacare are the same thing.

Like I said before, not all polls use the same wording for describing the law, and almost all of them showed it being more disliked than liked by hefty margins.

The number of voters who want Obamacare completely repealed is at a new low -- as is the number who wants to keep it as is. And for the first time, more favor expanding the law than killing it entirely.

Yet a new Fox News Poll also finds a majority continues to favor at least partial repeal of the health care law.

Whether or not people know they're the same thing is irrelevant when they think the law sucks either way.

It is relevant. A sizable group of people support the ACA while simultaneously shouting to repeal Obamacare. They can't know whether or not the law sucks, they don't even know what the law is. Many people detest the act entirely simply because it's Obama's, even though they agree with many of its provisions. The divisiveness is largely just partisan bs which is why we'll never settle on healthcare reform and continue having the debate until the end of time.

This is entirely conjecture. Just because some people don't know that the ACA and Obamacare are the same thing doesn't mean that they automatically like the ACA and hate Obamacare. Relying on anecdotal Facebook posts and Jimmy Kimmel sketches doesn't help your case.

It's convenient to think of the entire opposition as uninformed, bumbling idiots, but there are just as many people who support it that are the same way.

Lastly, you state that there are people who say they dislike the bill but like its provisions. Do you know why that is? It's because the provisions that are talked about are only a tiny fraction of the bill, and they're the only things that get brought up by the people who defend it. If Obamacare did nothing but implement those popular provisions, it wouldn't be thousands of pages long and probably would never be repealed.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.