Which One To Make First? Apoc Or Rag?

That is a good way of looking at it. I only ever see the bandwagon term used in a negative way, rather then a positive one. Like anyone who bandwagons BST will benefit greatly, I encourage players coming back to level the job so they can make gil easier.

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No idea what that means.

wat @ both of those.

SAM and BLU for life. D:

If you're not gonna chide people for lacking the courage of their convictions then why even be on the internet at all

Besides, I said these threads were dumb, not that I wasn't interested in posting in them!

Whats with all the negativity?

Huh?

Bro I had like the most constructive post in here!

You were the least useful person in the whole thread. I will give you a cookie for trying :)

Anyway, I will be making a Ragnarok. Hopefully the thread helped others who find themselves in a similar situation. Peace.

I have no idea where they've been living the past year or so. I'm just waiting for the "lower accuracy cause of skill level" argument to come from someone. That'll be a hoot.

If you're a DRK main, do Apocalypse first. That way you will be able to low-man or even solo certain content on your own, and it will help you to be able to fund for Ragnarok as your next relic if you're able to make good Gil on your DRK outside of Dynamis.

If you have a two-boxed WHM though, I would suggest Ragnarok. If your two-boxed WHM also has BRD, Apoc with Double Marches is freakin' fun. Regardless, you'll find yourself using Ragnarok a lot more for high endgame events and "Apoc'able" places.

My ultimate advice is to go for both weapons though. Because really, why the hell not?



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Last Resort gives it a DoT advantage, WAR with MS is only for zergs

My personal advice would be make Ragnarok first, that makes you a bit more viable for current higher-tier endgame events if your gear's decent everywhere else.

In turn, you'll then be able to make gil a little bit easier (e.g. ADL) and be able to make Apocalypse a bit faster.

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Huh?

Fine. There are two kinds of events: ones where you will need to do a lot of damage rally fast and ones where you will need to survive and be as independent as possible. Rag is good for one, Apoc is good for the other. You know which kind of event is more important to you, and no one in this thread or any other can tell you otherwise.

Ok, speaking as a Career DRK, I made Ragnarok first. Why? Because I love great swords. Been using them ever since '06 and always wanted Ragnarok. Yes I know that Apocalypse has more utility than Ragnarok, but i wanted a weapon that could be used on multiple jobs first. For example, tried to get into an Ig-Alima party the other day but was denied use of my DRK. So, i swapped to WAR and when none of my procs was up i tore Ig up with Ragnarok. Because of that, i ended up making out like a bandit.

Basically, make what you want and screw everyone else. This is a game, do what you think is fun. I love great swords so i made ragnarok and i have had an absolute blast with it. Now i am making Apocalypse and just hit stage 3. Which ever one you decide upon, have fun with it. And remember to enjoy the fact that you now have a relic and with it comes some super silly random numbers against mobs. (Getting over 1-2k damage on a normal swing still makes me laugh like a mad man)

FEELINGS.

Rag first hands down if you get much action on WAR in MS zerg situations (ADL, meeble bosses, an early white proc on VWNMs) or Legion's Hall of Mul. Unmeriting Upheaval is such a sweet moment if you've been using that as your MS/noncrit WS. Also, if you have a pocket WHM, maybe that takes a little of the 'survivability' argument away from Apoc. If you like to parse and partake in a little friendly competition with your fellow frontliners, a Rag may appeal to you a little extra.

If you don't have WAR, and do have a taste for the Scythe look, or plan to try and use a heavy DD in a situation that rewards survivability, you might be best off looking at an Apoc. It may be an inferior raw damage weapon, but really, the slight damage potential loss will rarely be the difference between winning and losing whatever you're doing. Being a heads-up, well informed player who is part of the solution rather than a weight for others to carry more than makes up for any minor damage potential lost. I see an Apoc DRK contribute perfectly well in Legion on a weekly basis, near the front of the pack more often than not.

Apoc for Brenner to win giant bounties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_0NaVEsEGY

Ill never regret my Apoc done before Rag.
Also I made some Rag DRK cry on parse even on stuffs that matters like Legion.
Make Apoc if u wanna have more fun imo, make Rag if u like to just spam WS.

Oh and for any Rag fanboy, I have Rag.

Id like to see how the attack and def adjustment saffects none attack capped ws before I'd make a rag

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"Most bad ***, motherfuckin' job in the whole ***' game."

A little bit of souleater and I can take over the whole world...

Hey, at least we're not Dragoons.

I've beat just about every popular weapon, including Apoc, with a Perdu Sickle (at 99). So if we use your reasoning, Make Perdu Sickle before Apoc or Rag.

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I say apoc. As someone who has both rag is a toy like a k club. It screams out dmg but needs support to use efficently or survive. Apoc can stand alone and help you solo many things.

When i did rag trials i had to kill arcane. So i killed clusters in xcoast aby. If the nm aggrod apoc would take it down not rag. When senda ki farming apoc solos that pugil. Rag sits on your back in shame knowing if its used you die. After embrava nerf goes 100 percent apoc will be better in nni.

Even in this thread people say how they dual box a whm for rag. For when they solo things. Apoc doesnt need a dual box mule. I do have both.

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