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By Cerberus.Vaness 2011-08-05 18:24:01
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Ramuh.Austar said:
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Who is gonna sing a sad song for me while I'm getting rid of my MP merit? ._.
Nobody.
okay ._.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-08-05 18:24:23
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Cerberus.Vaness said:
Ramuh.Austar said:
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Who is gonna sing a sad song for me while I'm getting rid of my MP merit? ._.
Nobody.
okay ._.
Mp merits suck ; ;
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By Lakshmi.Konvict 2011-08-05 18:24:51
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Needz moar Defending Ring. Dark Rings are for gimps only.
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2011-08-05 18:26:58
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Lakshmi.Konvict said:
Needz moar Defending Ring. Dark Rings are for gimps only.
Poop me one prz
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By Fenrir.Krazyrs 2011-08-05 18:28:10
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would drop tanking set
just macro things in as u need them for casting
ie sheild skill for utsu:ichi etc

can find out your max cureIV numbers and keep enough HP+ gear to macro a cure cheat for it... if plds still do that... had one for lv75 PLD but tank with NIN and MNK these days lol

nakey mithra PLD/NIN w/ 12 HP merits = 1466 :(
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2011-08-05 18:39:47
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Fenrir.Krazyrs said:
would drop tanking set
just macro things in as u need them for casting
ie sheild skill for utsu:ichi etc

can find out your max cureIV numbers and keep enough HP+ gear to macro a cure cheat for it... if plds still do that... had one for lv75 PLD but tank with NIN and MNK these days lol

nakey mithra PLD/NIN w/ 12 HP merits = 1466 :(
I do have a cure cheat and use shield skill with utsu, just though it wasnt worth posting.I dropped 6 mp merit and put 6HP, that all I can do with 20 merit lol
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-08-05 19:25:28
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Ramuh.Austar said:
Mp merits suck ; ;

ONEIROS RING?????????????????????????????///////////////////////
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-08-05 19:27:46
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PLD can't use that!
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-08-05 20:00:15
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I've been wondering.
For PDT and MDT, af3+2 head vs Darksteel cap +1(lol I know) and Noesis helm?

I assume the 5% dmg taken converted to mp are calculated after everything else?
But, does it actually absorb that dmg, or just gain mp based on how much dmg I take?
(if it doesnt absorb the dmg the answer is rather clear: Darksteel and Noesis)
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2011-08-05 20:03:02
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
I've been wondering.
For PDT and MDT, af3+2 head vs Darksteel cap +1(lol I know) and Noesis helm?

I assume the 5% dmg taken converted to mp are calculated after everything else?
But, does it actually absorb that dmg, or just gain mp based on how much dmg I take?
(if it doesnt absorb the dmg the answer is rather clear: Darksteel and Noesis)
Would guess +2 af3 head, (for PDT) because of the (lol) shield skill and MP absorb* (lolmp) and noasis for MDT.

NINJA EDIT: you dont need darksteel cap +1 to hit the 25% PDT anyway.
and it's rather cheap to get 25% with AF and crap, AMIRITE?

*Ican't type dammit
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-08-05 20:06:49
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Cerberus.Vaness said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
I've been wondering.
For PDT and MDT, af3+2 head vs Darksteel cap +1(lol I know) and Noesis helm?

I assume the 5% dmg taken converted to mp are calculated after everything else?
But, does it actually absorb that dmg, or just gain mp based on how much dmg I take?
(if it doesnt absorb the dmg the answer is rather clear: Darksteel and Noesis)
Would guess +2 af3 head, (for PDT) because of the (lol) shield skill and MP absorb* (lolmp) and noasis for MDT.

NINJA EDIT: you dont need darksteel cap +1 to hit the 25% PDT anyway.
and it's rather cheap to get 25% with AF and crap, AMIRITE?

*Ican't type dammit

25% PDT? Protect does not work like shell, you need 50% PDT to cap gear.
And PDT -> shield skill
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2011-08-05 20:09:04
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Cerberus.Vaness said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
I've been wondering.
For PDT and MDT, af3+2 head vs Darksteel cap +1(lol I know) and Noesis helm?

I assume the 5% dmg taken converted to mp are calculated after everything else?
But, does it actually absorb that dmg, or just gain mp based on how much dmg I take?
(if it doesnt absorb the dmg the answer is rather clear: Darksteel and Noesis)
Would guess +2 af3 head, (for PDT) because of the (lol) shield skill and MP absorb* (lolmp) and noasis for MDT.

NINJA EDIT: you dont need darksteel cap +1 to hit the 25% PDT anyway.
and it's rather cheap to get 25% with AF and crap, AMIRITE?

*Ican't type dammit

25% PDT? Protect does not work like shell, you need 50% PDT to cap gear.
And PDT -> shield skill
Protect doesnt work like shell????? WHATTTTTTTTTTTTT why no1 told me that before....

rewroting macros.And yeah in that case I guess darksteel cap +1 win, though I would just rater use head and hope for a shield block/absorb/set procc D:
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-08-05 20:10:15
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Cast protect, check your defence, very easy to see the difference :P
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2011-08-05 20:13:11
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Cast protect, check your defence, very easy to see the difference :P

went from 438 > 498 with protect 5, what was I supposed to see?
PDT =/= Defense?
I am a melee type job tard so might wanna be more specific D:
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-08-05 20:14:24
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Protect raises your defence, it's not PDT.
That was all I wanted you to see >_> lol
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2011-08-05 20:15:00
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Protect raises your defence, it's not PDT.
That was all I wanted you to see >_> lol
ahhhhh....*** me =(
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-08-05 20:16:25
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Cerberus.Vaness said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Protect raises your defence, it's not PDT.
That was all I wanted you to see >_> lol
ahhhhh....*** me =(

Time and place? :p
jkjk D:
 
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By Sylph.Rorrick 2011-08-05 20:21:06
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TP set: Replace Velocious with Goading, drop Heed for Blitz. Drop Minuet for Centaurus, drop Ziel for Fortitude Torque, and any ammo/bow with STR or attack is better than an Incantor stone.

Tanking set: There's no point to this, get rid of it.

Vorpal Blade set:Replace legs with Tumbler's trunks (dunno what I was on when I wrote this), head with Twilight, feet with Hecatomb, belt with Anguinus, neck probably Soil gorget. Best body for Vorpal would probably be Ares unless I'm forgetting something, but Perle isn't bad. Again, drop the Minuet earring for Centaurus, and ammo for anything with STR or attack.

Also consider that inside Abyssea with all the Double/Triple attack, Honorbound is probably better than Joyeuse. When dual-wielding, always mainhand Honorbound (or whichever sword has the highest damage rating).

PDT set: there's hardly any PDT here. Not worth changing to Haute from whatever sword you're TPing in, and not worth using +HP stuff since it only adds to your total, not your current HP. Drop the Armet+1 for Darksteel cap, Cassie earring for Colossus, Creed potentially for an augmented Dark earring with PDT-1% on it. Creed Cuirass is a bad indea, since the -DT on it is dependant on your enmity levels; use Grim/Tristan's Breastplate. Hands, Darksteel, Heavy Gauntlets, or Melaco mitts. Meridian ring is useless, get a Jelly Ring, or even a Patronus ring. Ideally, augmented Dark Rings. I use Askar feet instead of Ruffian leggings since I have them for MDT anyway.

MDT set: Noesis Helm for the head. Again, Creed body is unreliable. Valhalla is ideal, but I just use Coral scale mail +1. 5%/6% MDT Dark rings would be better than the Merman rings. I use Coral cuisses +1 for legs, but Inmicus are all right. Creed feet+2 are doing nothing, get Coral or Askar. Colossus Mantle is potentially better than Lamia+1, but it depends on what Shell you have. Demonry Core for ammo.

MDB is only better once you hit -50% MDT. With Shell V from a WHM, I think you need ~25% MDT in gear to hit the cap. After that, MDB is better, as a general rule anyway.

Edit: There are sets you need for JA enmity, Chivalry, Rampart, Haste/fast cast for Flash, Reprisal and Utsusemi: Ni, shield skill gear for Ichi, blah blah blah.
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2011-08-05 20:45:54
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TP set: Replace Velocious with Goading, drop Heed for Blitz.
Using Velocious Belt caus it saves me Money and MH space since I have like 50 gears for all my mage jobs -_-

Drop Minuet for Centaurus,
Using Merman's For inventory space sake.

drop Ziel for Fortitude Torque,
I know =(

and any ammo/bow with STR or attack is better than an Incantor stone.
It's something I know too but short on money atm.

Tanking set: There's no point to this, get rid of it.
Already done.

Replace legs with Tumbler's trunks
Whattttt?! WTF and why?
tumbler trunks vs hecatomb subligar +1
Something I missed?

Best body for Vorpal would probably be Ares unless I'm forgetting something
Missing Lv.15 body for Ares ;_;

Hands, Darksteel, Heavy Gauntlets, or Melaco mitts.
Isnt the shield defense bonus better?

Edit: There are sets you need for JA enmity, Chivalry, Rampart, Haste/fast cast for Flash, Reprisal and Utsusemi: Ni, shield skill gear for Ichi, blah blah bla
I have those just figured it wasnt worth posting

rest I agree.
 
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-08-05 20:55:52
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Grim's better than Ares. Shellra V = 23% MDT needed, Shell V you'd want 25%.
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By Sylph.Rorrick 2011-08-05 20:56:25
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Nevermind Tumbler's, I don't know what I was on when I wrote that.

Sell the Meridian Ring and the Cassie earring to make room for the Centaurus. HP gear is worthless. There are some free ammos with STR (Flame Sachet, in particular), and attack (the +4 attack ammo from WotG, I forget the name). Enyo's Breastplate is 100%, get a couple friends and trio it (SSR card for the slot in Zhay, I think).

Shield Defense bonus requires you to block. PDT is better (unless you have Ochain, maybe?)

Edit: Why do I always forget about Grim's attack.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-08-05 20:57:00
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
I've been wondering.
For PDT and MDT, af3+2 head vs Darksteel cap +1(lol I know) and Noesis helm?

I assume the 5% dmg taken converted to mp are calculated after everything else?
But, does it actually absorb that dmg, or just gain mp based on how much dmg I take?
(if it doesnt absorb the dmg the answer is rather clear: Darksteel and Noesis)

I'm gonna quote this question as we kinda spammed it away :<
 
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2011-08-05 20:58:09
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Sylph.Rorrick said:


Shield Defense bonus requires you to block. PDT is better (unless you have Ochain, maybe?)

In my dreams I do =(
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By Sylph.Rorrick 2011-08-05 20:58:15
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The Armet doesn't reduce damage.
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2011-08-05 21:43:27
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Sell the Meridian Ring and the Cassie earring to make room for the Centaurus. HP gear is worthless.
Hp gears aren't worthless.Meridian ring is ex/re and I use both for WHM devotion.Hence why I have them -_-
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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-08-06 06:10:26
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I post my sets on another thread, this might help you, also pld/nin is dead now, i always /WAR /RDM or /DNC

where ever you see Dark ring, i only have 1 since unlucky with decent augments, augments are Dark Ring is PDT/MDT -5% SID-5%

TP

Missing Z.Tiara and N.Sash, dont have blitz ring or sea torque


Shield Skill

went with PDT in ring slots Dark Ring is PDT/MDT -5%

Rampart

yes i have VIT gear since i have Calagbolg so i use the +VIT for rampart

PDT

this set caps out PDT (well -2% over cap) but obviously i would use Almace over Shamshir +2 anyways unless kiting

MDT/MDB

i can switch out Strendu Mantle for MDB one i know, i have not gotten one yet

HP Increase

use this as my cure cheat, set has +610 HP but ~500 more than TP overall enough for cure4 also with some enmity+ for them cures

Full Enmity

has +53 Enmity and use as my base set for enmity tools, i know i can get more but kinda lacking space atm and unsure of the enmity cap, was always told it was +50 but read different

Haste+Fast cast (flash)

got for as much haste as i can with maxing fastcast and added Enmity, Jeweled Collar has Fastcast+3

Haste+Fast cast (Utsusemi)

full fastcast + Haste + Shield skill, again Jeweled Collar has Fastcast+3

i do have some other items for PLD that i macro in at certain times etc but this is just the base sets i use
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By Ragnarok.Returner 2011-08-06 11:23:52
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Rancor Collar is good for Vorpal Blade if your critical hit rate is not capped.

Build your pld and aim toward stuff outside abyssea. IMO that's where pld might have a use in the future after a few more version updates. And when considering killing stuff outside, twilight body might be a great choice for vorpal blade since you won't cap accuracy as easily.

With Dark rings, I have farmed two both with 4% pdt and 4% mdt in about 3 sections (6 hours). I did it the lazy way without building azure light. I usually go in, put on MAB atmas and spam Sanguine Blade on saplings (usually 2.3k with very little resist). Once amber is capped, I started killing for pearl light and at this point, gold chest is frequent and just pure luck on what you gonna get inside. You might be lucky to score a refresh hairpin too so just keep doing this. Usually you will have about 60 minutes of farming time with capped amber and 50-100 pearl.

Good luck.
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