Refresh II - Hurrah!
Refresh II - Hurrah!
if we can accession fresh II, my life will be complete >.> but i kinda doubt it
you can do it to refresh 1 >.> but my doubt of them letting us do it are from not being able to accession en-spell II
Bismarck.Strange said:
if u cant do it to refresh 1 why would SE let you do t to refresh 2?
you can accession refresh1
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Bismarck.Patrik said:
if we can accession fresh II, my life will be complete >.> but i kinda doubt it
I mean as is the number of situations where using accession on refresh is a smart and not just lazy thing are limited to being in a blm pt pretty much
Siren.Catabolic said:
Bismarck.Strange said:
if u cant do it to refresh 1 why would SE let you do t to refresh 2?
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Bismarck.Strange said:
Siren.Catabolic said:
Bismarck.Strange said:
if u cant do it to refresh 1 why would SE let you do t to refresh 2?
The only reason to use it vs keep up a cycle is to save mp. And since it doubles mp cost and you could've saved more mp using parsimony on cure IV for example it means you really need to hit at least 4 people to even give it a chance of being worthwhile. Not including you since you will be on a composure cycle
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Bismarck.Strange said:
Siren.Catabolic said:
Bismarck.Strange said:
if u cant do it to refresh 1 why would SE let you do t to refresh 2?
The only reason to use it vs keep up a cycle is to save mp. And since it doubles mp cost and you could've saved more mp using parsimony on cure IV for example it means you really need to hit at least 4 people to even give it a chance of being worthwhile. Not including you since you will be on a composure cycle
Bismarck.Patrik said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Bismarck.Strange said:
Siren.Catabolic said:
Bismarck.Strange said:
if u cant do it to refresh 1 why would SE let you do t to refresh 2?
Plus I find AOEing self only things to be so much more useful
good to know ^^
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Why does everyone keep mentioning accession? Switching between arts and putting addendum: white on isn't very strategem efficient. SCH sub isn't really as good as people think. And how many people do you really need to refresh at once that you need accession? I'm not saying /sch doesn't have its uses, but I wouldn't put much thought into accession and refresh2. /WHM is still best imo
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Leviathan.Arthion said:
Why does everyone keep mentioning accession? Switching between arts and putting addendum: white on isn't very strategem efficient. SCH sub isn't really as good as people think. And how many people do you really need to refresh at once that you need accession? I'm not saying /sch doesn't have its uses, but I wouldn't put much thought into accession and refresh2. /WHM is still best imo
How in any way shape or form is /whm better?
Leviathan.Arthion said:
Why does everyone keep mentioning accession? Switching between arts and putting addendum: white on isn't very strategem efficient. SCH sub isn't really as good as people think. And how many people do you really need to refresh at once that you need accession? I'm not saying /sch doesn't have its uses, but I wouldn't put much thought into accession and refresh2. /WHM is still best imo
Do you think before you type?
If I want to cast a black magic spell I don't want to deal with mp penalties or have to use one of my OMGaccession strategems to go back to light arts and have access to status cures.
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Leviathan.Arthion said:
Why does everyone keep mentioning accession? Switching between arts and putting addendum: white on isn't very strategem efficient. SCH sub isn't really as good as people think. And how many people do you really need to refresh at once that you need accession? I'm not saying /sch doesn't have its uses, but I wouldn't put much thought into accession and refresh2. /WHM is still best imo
How in any way shape or form is /whm better?
*EDIT, and that extra mp you gotta pay for black magic will under light arts. you save more mp from casting all that white magic on light arts
Leviathan.Arthion said:
If I want to cast a black magic spell I don't want to deal with mp penalties or have to use one of my OMGaccession strategems to go back to light arts and have access to status cures.
Refresh II will cover that MP back in no time!
Leviathan.Arthion said:
If I want to cast a black magic spell I don't want to deal with mp penalties or have to use one of my OMGaccession strategems to go back to light arts and have access to status cures.
Not to mention the mp saved thru your strats.
What you described is a minor annoyance is all
Leviathan.Arthion said:
Why does everyone keep mentioning accession? Switching between arts and putting addendum: white on isn't very strategem efficient. SCH sub isn't really as good as people think. And how many people do you really need to refresh at once that you need accession? I'm not saying /sch doesn't have its uses, but I wouldn't put much thought into accession and refresh2. /WHM is still best imo
You do know when you switch arts you don't have to put up the addendum yea? The addendum usually only gives you access to spells other members in your ally are already covering 95% of the time. The increase in light or dark skill is still gained without addendum. If you feel the need for addendum you put it up at the beginning of run or in downtime between actions. /whm besides stona and divine seal is completely worthless now.
Leviathan.Arthion said:
If I want to cast a black magic spell I don't want to deal with mp penalties or have to use one of my OMGaccession strategems to go back to light arts and have access to status cures.
Again you don't need to use addendum when you switch arts. you can switch arts freely whenever you want and have 2 charges at your disposal(if the timers are up). {insert sarcasm}I can see what your saying though. /whm is awesome at casting dark based spells.{end of sarcasm}
You all forgot the fact it highly affects the recast/cast time of the spells you cast on different arts .
The problem isn't in MP cost , but crowd control , main SCH is more effecient than RDM/SCH in crowd control .
Also Accession + Refresh is plain dumb & comes from people who are utterly lazy *** , you basically never save MP unless you're casting on 3 people NOT including yourself , since it *** up with composured Refresh .
Refresh II + Accession "that if it worked in the first place" just precipatate that fact , dumb & lazy.
The problem isn't in MP cost , but crowd control , main SCH is more effecient than RDM/SCH in crowd control .
Also Accession + Refresh is plain dumb & comes from people who are utterly lazy *** , you basically never save MP unless you're casting on 3 people NOT including yourself , since it *** up with composured Refresh .
Refresh II + Accession "that if it worked in the first place" just precipatate that fact , dumb & lazy.
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Time not spent casting Refresh is time spent doing something else.
Silly whms who thought they could finally outdo rdms.
What i am really wondering is...
How much you think refresh II will cost?
1 million?
How much you think refresh II will cost?
1 million?
Hades.Tripster said:
What i am really wondering is...
How much you think refresh II will cost?
1 million?
How much you think refresh II will cost?
1 million?
I am curious as to this also, though SE will probably help the market by making it sold by an NPC like they did with the previous updates scrolls. I'm not expecting it to be a very cheap scroll as almost everyone has RDM levelled, but if they do make it sold by an NPC it would help cap the cost of it on the AH. (still expecting to see the idiots who cant wait to find out where to get it buying it for 1mil+, only to have it drop down to about 100~200k overnight)
Btw guys, the scroll drops from a mob called 'Taisai'
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Keeping a refresh cycle is hard brah.
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Easy, but strenuous on your time resources.
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Bubbly said:
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
Hopefully they won't gimp it like that, annoying enough doing refresh cycles without them shortening the duration.
Dasva made me laugh hard. Now my wife is looking at me funny....
For this spell, I'm personally hoping for a 60-80 MP cost, same duration, higher return refresh, maybe 5-6/tic. Self target would make me smile on the inside yet being party target-able would be nice as well. Accession is doubtful, but I'm used to keeping refresh/haste cycles w/o Accession so it doesn't really matter (that said, would be nice for the times when refresh 5-6 people). We won't know until it comes out, so it is all speculation until then.
Oh well, w/ a potency increase JA, Refresh II, Aero IV, Gain-MND/VIT, and Addle (curious about this one) I'm very pleased about the update. Going to be excited to see how SE lets RDM utilize these.
tl;dr Just wait for release to see what happens.
Oh well, w/ a potency increase JA, Refresh II, Aero IV, Gain-MND/VIT, and Addle (curious about this one) I'm very pleased about the update. Going to be excited to see how SE lets RDM utilize these.
tl;dr Just wait for release to see what happens.
Ramuh.Thunderz said:
brd still pwnz yall in refreshing :P
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