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 Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2026-03-26 10:25:32
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Why would this matter?
Are you new to FFXI? It matters because we've been cracking "spaghetti code" jokes for the last two decades in regards to this game. How many times has SE changed something and something completely unrelated broke?? Blindly assuming that "if it works for Indi-, it'll work the same for geo-" is a foolish thing to do.

If you have geo-poison/para/gravity, by all means, you can test that quickly and find out. I dont have those unlocked, I dont care enough to drag my chars out to unlock it for this.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2026-03-26 11:29:30
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Blindly assuming that "if it works for Indi-, it'll work the same for geo-" is a foolish thing to do.

...That's not the point though (and I never implied that, but i digress). What I am saying is, Wotasu claimed that aggro alone (without first tagging) triggers geomancy spells to activate, which I was unsure about. I suggested the Indi-Poison test, since Indi is a passive debuff the GEO casts on himself (not other mobs). If this truly works the way he says (it does), you can immediately see health tick down.

Nobody really cares if a GEO spell has the same effect, because all offensive GEO debuffs are monster-centered Luopans; you will always be registering hate/tag on the mob by simply casting on them. It matters even less since we already know mobs will lose all geomancy debuffs the moment initial aggro is lost. The indi test was just to confirm what he originally claimed.

Testing whether GEO-debuffs work based solely off aggro is irrelevant to this discussion and his point, but to do what you are suggesting, you'd require a second mob to see the effect and then bring it back to the luopan. Ultimately none of that matters since the subject came from being the GEO puller in Limbus, casting indi-something (barrier) and holding all mobs. GEO spells don't matter because Luopans dont move. It's not really about "spaghetti code"
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2026-03-26 11:56:20
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Not discussing utility, just discussing whether it works or not.

Sure, its useless knowledge because as soon as someone else tags the mob, the debuff bubble will fail to take effect until the GEO gets back on hate list.

Is there any applicable use case for this to matter? Not that I can think of. If GEO aggro pulls mobs, drops a geo-vex bubble on one expecting it to affect all the mobs as they're smacking the geo with 0 enmity, and turns out they're not suffering from macc down, it might matter.

It has nothing to do with "is this information useful", it has everything to do with "is this information correct".
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2026-03-26 12:09:08
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
s there any applicable use case for this to matter? Not that I can think of. If GEO aggro pulls mobs

There is one, but it's more steps than a standard Limbus group would bother to do and it doesn't help newbs/lazy people, who this idea would likely stand to benefit the most.

Indi-Barrier (or attunement, wilt, whichever floor you're on and whichever is stronger), Minnes on GEO, GEO pulls. Bard Sleeps. GEO still has to tag hate by curing the Bard, then swap Indi Bubble, then drop GEO bubble. I guess if your bard sucks at pulling/is squishy and you want to take less overall damage, you can do that.

The other place this probably works is in Ambuscade/Legion, but it's only because of the weird rules in there. You can Indi yourself, drop GEO bubble at start via /groundtargetst and go afk, like the rest of them do.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2026-03-26 12:26:54
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Speaking of pulling and BRDs (GEO) getting wrecked, should start running with a set like this to reduce the need for healing, especially in groups with only GEO as the healer (Plat. Moogle Belt).

ItemSet 402466

At least wear the socks so you can proc flee (Resist Bind is the biggest one)
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By Asura.Melliny 2026-03-26 12:38:53
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Honestly dispelga is the easiest way to guarantee the bubble is active on everything. Curaga can miss mobs in my experiences, and it's pretty easy to tell when the bubble is active or not. Dispelga is the most reliable method for tagging everything, and in temenos you usually clear a buff from stuff too since most of the mobs are casters with pro and shell up.

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How many times has SE changed something and something completely unrelated broke??

I still remember when sneak attack stopped working from the back and instead only worked when facing a mob. The update it happened in had nothing in it that related to directional abilities or thief. So whatever they did, it must have been one hell of a long noodle they tugged on.

Edit: Found the patch where it happened too. It was the June 2008 Version update
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2026-03-26 13:24:23
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Asura.Melliny said: »
Honestly dispelga is the easiest way to guarantee the bubble is active on everything. Curaga can miss mobs in my experiences, and it's pretty easy to tell when the bubble is active or not. Dispelga is the most reliable method for tagging everything,

How can "curaga miss mobs"? Bard Lullaby > Cure Bard, you get hate on everything the Bard hit with Lullaby. If the Bard misses via Lullaby due to mob being out of range so that your cure doesn't affect a certain mob via Geomancy, Dispelga can equally miss a mob out of range and also not tag. So from a tagging perspective, neither is really superior*. Lullaby's radius is usually larger than Dispelga, so it will usually hit more outer mobs than Dispelga would (though they are both large).

*I'm not disagreeing with Dispelga being the most effective, since you don't need to wait for the Bard to do it and it pulls double duty by removing a buff from the mob.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2026-03-26 16:06:23
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Lullaby's radius is usually larger than Dispelga, so it will usually hit more outer mobs than Dispelga would (though they are both large).

All other factors aside, it's impossible for any Horde Lullaby to have a bigger radius than dispelga. Best case scenario, Horde 2 is 7' (realistically) and 1 is 8. Dispelga is 12.

On a related note, bringing up another thing i touched on earlier RE: GEO pulling, I'm nearly 100% certain that the indi spell on unclaimed targets thing is bubble-dependent. Try using indi-gravity.
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