I think the state of the game vs. accessibility are two different things.
As a solo player experience its never been better, but this is an MMO.
20th Anniversary Expectations...
20th anniversary expectations...
Asura.Eiryl said: »
People may be happy that the game is irrevocably broken and imbalanced but that is far from being in a good state.
And half the active population being bots ain't super hot either.
And half the active population being bots ain't super hot either.
Exaggerated
If anything, understated and underestimated, lol
If there are 18-36 bots at any given time on every server (weekends), that alone is half the people currently online. Not counting 100 bots in any and every gates zone (+rakaz). 100 bots in every escha zone And promies, and CN_S and 2+ sphere bots in every zone with spheres and 200 craft bots hiding in the mog garden and 100 bots in dynamis queuing ambuscade and queuing salvage
If there are 18-36 bots at any given time on every server (weekends), that alone is half the people currently online. Not counting 100 bots in any and every gates zone (+rakaz). 100 bots in every escha zone And promies, and CN_S and 2+ sphere bots in every zone with spheres and 200 craft bots hiding in the mog garden and 100 bots in dynamis queuing ambuscade and queuing salvage
That doesn't sound accurate, there are a lot of bots and multi-boxers but I don't think its half the population. I don't have the exact numbers, but already 100 bots in every escha zone is not accurate lol.
I meant more so that the game isn't broken. Almost every job has a use or niche and there are different strats done for each end-game fight. Seems more or less balanced for XI to me. The lower population is on SE for blame, they have neglected this game for so long to focus on XIV. It's the biggest reason I hate that game so much.
I remember years ago, I used to love playing Star Wars Galaxies. I quit sometime after to only play XI and one day I decided to come back and try it. I remember the players being so happy and almost desperate that someone new came to log in and play and do things. They kept asking, "you don't plan to quit do you??" I remember thinking, wow I wonder if that will happen to XI some day... and then shortly after they announced they were shutting SWG down to focus solely on the new MMO for Star Wars. I think if theres no announcement on May 8th that's worthwhile, eventually we'll be facing that same fate as SWG players. I like to think that SE won't let it happen to a numbered FF title, and they will continue to support the game so I do have some hope they will do something for the game.
This reminds me of the time just before Adoulin was announced. All the typical forum doosmdayers were coming out saying XI was dead and they wanted everyone on XIV. Then they surprised us with the expansion announcement. Most likely it won't be that big, but they should have something planned after all this time saying something big is coming.
I meant more so that the game isn't broken. Almost every job has a use or niche and there are different strats done for each end-game fight. Seems more or less balanced for XI to me. The lower population is on SE for blame, they have neglected this game for so long to focus on XIV. It's the biggest reason I hate that game so much.
I remember years ago, I used to love playing Star Wars Galaxies. I quit sometime after to only play XI and one day I decided to come back and try it. I remember the players being so happy and almost desperate that someone new came to log in and play and do things. They kept asking, "you don't plan to quit do you??" I remember thinking, wow I wonder if that will happen to XI some day... and then shortly after they announced they were shutting SWG down to focus solely on the new MMO for Star Wars. I think if theres no announcement on May 8th that's worthwhile, eventually we'll be facing that same fate as SWG players. I like to think that SE won't let it happen to a numbered FF title, and they will continue to support the game so I do have some hope they will do something for the game.
This reminds me of the time just before Adoulin was announced. All the typical forum doosmdayers were coming out saying XI was dead and they wanted everyone on XIV. Then they surprised us with the expansion announcement. Most likely it won't be that big, but they should have something planned after all this time saying something big is coming.
Draylo said: »
Most likely it won't be that big, but they should have something planned after all this time saying something big is coming.
Unless I'm missing something, they never really promised anything. Only thing I can think of is an interview from awhile back that said something along the lines of "we hope to deliver something that will surprise people". That really can mean any number of things. Possibly could have meant VR rolling out, who knows
XIV takes a lot of assets from XI. Even the latest dungeon from 6.1 was a direct callback to FFXI's salvage zones that directly ripped area names and resources such as the white gate teleport lamps and salvage chariot bosses. A part of me would love for them to incorporate a version of FFXI into FFXIV itself, since they don't really seem to have plans or manpower to put effort into FFXI. How many more reskins and recolors can you do of the same sets and mounts? There is a perfect opportunity to do that with the way XIV's story works, as well as where the story seems to be going. XIV already has instanced areas with different rules that were kinda inspired by XI already. Eureka for example, has notorious monsters that you spawn by killing enemies and elemental affinity you can attune to that give you an advantage/disadvantage when fighting other elements. I'd love to see a completely different shard with vastly different combat. Things like mainjob/subjob, skillchains and magic bursts, etc...
XIV's basic storyline for those unfamiliar:
XIV's basic storyline for those unfamiliar:
God no, that would be the ultimate insult. I even said that the other day, they couldn't care less about XI to the point they will say its a fake shadow realm in XIVs storyline. Just let them be separate and put resources into XI... If it still makes them profit they can funnel a set amount of funds over time. Its ridiculous that people are paying so much and getting absolutely nothing in return aside from the bare minimum (and even then we don't in most cases.)
Bahamut.Brixy said: »
XIV takes a lot of assets from XI. Even the latest dungeon from 6.1 was a direct callback to FFXI's salvage zones that directly ripped area names and resources such as the white gate teleport lamps and salvage chariot bosses. A part of me would love for them to incorporate a version of FFXI into FFXIV itself, since they don't really seem to have plans or manpower to put effort into FFXI. How many more reskins and recolors can you do of the same sets and mounts? There is a perfect opportunity to do that with the way XIV's story works, as well as where the story seems to be going. XIV already has instanced areas with different rules that were kinda inspired by XI already. Eureka for example, has notorious monsters that you spawn by killing enemies and elemental affinity you can attune to that give you an advantage/disadvantage when fighting other elements. I'd love to see a completely different shard with vastly different combat. Things like mainjob/subjob, skillchains and magic bursts, etc...
XIV's basic storyline for those unfamiliar:
XIV's basic storyline for those unfamiliar:
I think they've invested too much in the story of the 13th for it to be retconned to be Vana'diel, but I don't think it's too far fetched to think that at least passed by the planet in her journey through the universe.
Hydaelyn has already been visited by Lighting and Noctis in the XIII and XV crossovers, so it's not too out of place for Shantotto and Iroha to have been there as well. XI is the only one to have gotten two unique crossover events and there are still unused XI tracks in the game (maybe orchestion rolls too, been a while) that people have been wondering about.
Draylo said: »
Its ridiculous that people are paying so much and getting absolutely nothing in return aside from the bare minimum (and even then we don't in most cases.)
This is a very annoying take. No one is forcing you to spend money. If you aren't getting your money's worth, unsub. It isn't a hard concept.
Bahamut.Brixy said: »
A part of me would love for them to incorporate a version of FFXI into FFXIV itself, since they don't really seem to have plans or manpower to put effort into FFXI.
This would be pretty cool. We got a small slice of that in the ffxi cross over. I still haven't done the FFXI crossover questline on FFXIV, but I hear its pretty nolstalgic. I need to remember to do it before it goes away.
Bosworth said: »
Draylo said: »
Its ridiculous that people are paying so much and getting absolutely nothing in return aside from the bare minimum (and even then we don't in most cases.)
This is a very annoying take. No one is forcing you to spend money. If you aren't getting your money's worth, unsub. It isn't a hard concept.
Sorry but I don't like your opinion
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Draylo said: »
I remember years ago, I used to love playing Star Wars Galaxies. I quit sometime after to only play XI and one day I decided to come back and try it. I remember the players being so happy and almost desperate that someone new came to log in and play and do things. They kept asking, "you don't plan to quit do you??" I remember thinking, wow I wonder if that will happen to XI some day... and then shortly after they announced they were shutting SWG down to focus solely on the new MMO for Star Wars. I think if theres no announcement on May 8th that's worthwhile, eventually we'll be facing that same fate as SWG players.
They built a FULL EXPANSION with no bugs on release for donations. THIS IS EXACTLY why I don't trust SE for ***. They COULD do it. I hate to say it because I hate "classic" servers, but it might be the future of FFXI, and if it is, you got people who created Windower, Gearswap, etc etc working on your side and I would take them ANY day of the week over SE.
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XIV is basically that forest from The Nightmare Before Christmas with all the portals to different worlds. I'm surprised they haven't just shot us into Vana'diel already.
I don't see Square ever actually shutting XI down. If it were just some throwaway "FF online" game sure but the fact that it's a mainline title keeps it safe. They're too prideful for that and it must cost like $20 to keep the servers up anyway. It'll be locked in a closet and left in maintenance mode but I don't think it'll ever be truly gone.
Maybe they can go back and cut out all the empty/abandoned zones that serve no purpose anymore to make the whole experience more... coherent lol. That'd be cool.
Draylo said: »
I think if theres no announcement on May 8th that's worthwhile, eventually we'll be facing that same fate as SWG players.
I don't see Square ever actually shutting XI down. If it were just some throwaway "FF online" game sure but the fact that it's a mainline title keeps it safe. They're too prideful for that and it must cost like $20 to keep the servers up anyway. It'll be locked in a closet and left in maintenance mode but I don't think it'll ever be truly gone.
Maybe they can go back and cut out all the empty/abandoned zones that serve no purpose anymore to make the whole experience more... coherent lol. That'd be cool.
Bahamut.Negan said: »
Draylo said: »
I remember years ago, I used to love playing Star Wars Galaxies. I quit sometime after to only play XI and one day I decided to come back and try it. I remember the players being so happy and almost desperate that someone new came to log in and play and do things. They kept asking, "you don't plan to quit do you??" I remember thinking, wow I wonder if that will happen to XI some day... and then shortly after they announced they were shutting SWG down to focus solely on the new MMO for Star Wars. I think if theres no announcement on May 8th that's worthwhile, eventually we'll be facing that same fate as SWG players.
They built a FULL EXPANSION with no bugs on release for donations. THIS IS EXACTLY why I don't trust SE for ***. They COULD do it. I hate to say it because I hate "classic" servers, but it might be the future of FFXI, and if it is, you got people who created Windower, Gearswap, etc etc working on your side and I would take them ANY day of the week over SE.
Wow really? I did remember you mentioning that a while back, I'll have to check it out. That is really cool that they could do that.
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Breaking: SE sold off a portion of their studios/IPs to give the 300 players on ffxi who have been identified as never breaking their Terms of Service $1M each to say “Happy 20th Anniversary.”
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Damn, yall caused Sandraa to delete their account. Too mean in here!
Bahamut.Negan said: »
They built a FULL EXPANSION with no bugs on release for donations. THIS IS EXACTLY why I don't trust SE for ***. They COULD do it.
Of course they *could*, but there is literally no incentive for them to do that, so they won't. Bummer, but it is what it is
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Bahamut.Brixy said: »
XIV takes a lot of assets from XI.
They aren't doing this for any reason other than to save money.
XIV will never be anything else but a casual game, embrace it for what it is because there is no way they can ever change the direction they have set the game on now.
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Why would they? They're milking that cash cow now.
RadialArcana said: »
Bahamut.Brixy said: »
XIV takes a lot of assets from XI.
They aren't doing this for any reason other than to save money.
XIV will never be anything else but a casual game, embrace it for what it is because there is no way they can ever change the direction they have set the game on now.
Same can be said for XI only that direction is the grave
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axetofall said: »
RadialArcana said: »
Bahamut.Brixy said: »
XIV takes a lot of assets from XI.
They aren't doing this for any reason other than to save money.
XIV will never be anything else but a casual game, embrace it for what it is because there is no way they can ever change the direction they have set the game on now.
Same can be said for XI only that direction is the grave
Everything in XI was made for XI, everything was hand-crafted for FF11 by developers purely for this game because they have pride in the world and their work. Large numbers of assets are drag and dropped into XIV from whatever they can get them from because they don't care.
Also, I would rather XI die as a proper mmorpg it is than live and have millions of players as a perfect world clone.
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The FFXI assets in FFXIV annoy me because it rips them of their context.
Take the Soulflayers, Blue Mages that got corrupted and turned into monsters. Interesting concept, makes sense that they were quite menacing at the time, being corrupted soldiers of the state.
FFXIV Soulflayers just .. it's just a model.
Goblins and Moblins in FFXI - established well into the lore, have their own specific culture. Interesting mobs. Goblins in XIV, it's just a model.
Reusing Crabs, Pugils, Crawlers, Mandragoras - all that strikes me as a cute nod, but the reuse of some of the more interesting mobs just strikes me as lazy and distasteful.
Edit: Turns out I'm just wrong about all that. See below.
Take the Soulflayers, Blue Mages that got corrupted and turned into monsters. Interesting concept, makes sense that they were quite menacing at the time, being corrupted soldiers of the state.
FFXIV Soulflayers just .. it's just a model.
Goblins and Moblins in FFXI - established well into the lore, have their own specific culture. Interesting mobs. Goblins in XIV, it's just a model.
Reusing Crabs, Pugils, Crawlers, Mandragoras - all that strikes me as a cute nod, but the reuse of some of the more interesting mobs just strikes me as lazy and distasteful.
Edit: Turns out I'm just wrong about all that. See below.
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Goblins in XIV do have their own culture and there's several major goblin NPCs involved in both the main story and side stories.
Mindflayers have been reused assets in Final Fantasy since the very first one
Mindflayers have been reused assets in Final Fantasy since the very first one
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To be fair I think they are trying to be like how FF9 was with adding all the random things from older games but they usually changed the models.
I have no doubt that there's little underlying reason in the lore for it. They are just asset flipping, taking XI's models, adding some extra polygons and retexturing them. Whether there's anything wrong with that or not I guess is a personal question but I like seeing stuff I'm familiar with pop up sometimes. Fighting hi res chariots and acroliths in the newest dungeon was exciting, or walking thru Elpis and finding some Yggdreants.
In the end though it's just a cost saving measure. Cheaper and easier to use something you already have than to pay someone to design something from scratch.
In the end though it's just a cost saving measure. Cheaper and easier to use something you already have than to pay someone to design something from scratch.
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We're getting a bit OT but as much as I love FFXIV I *personally* think they pushed a bit too far on the "Final Fantasy Theme Park" aspect of the game.
Having references from other games of the series is a trait of every final fantasy.
Having FFXIV push that to the next level made sense, especially since it's a MMO.
I think they sorta... overdid it though.
One thing is having references, cameos, stuff that feels like devs are winking to you.
Another thing is what they did in FFXIV, which would be ok for a title that's born with that purpose (I dunno, like "World of Final Fantasy"?) but here we're talking about a mainline numbered FF, from which I expect a lore and a story and a "feeling" of its own.
...and FFXIV totally has it, and it's wonderful, so what am I blabbering about?
I dunno, it's just that I love all the cross title references, cameos, re-use of stuff etc, it's just that I feel in FFXIV they've gone way too far with that, especially when they tried to implement stuff not as side-bonus that's there for fun but shouldn't be considered canonical, but they actually tried to make that perfectly canon.
Like the FFXII raid (which I loved & hated at the same time for those rasons) or the NieR raids, and so on.
I mean wtf, that's taking it way too far.
As cool as it is it's beyond what you should be making for a game that has its own identity.
Then again I'll admit I'm the odd one here, given how well FFXIV is selling it's quite clear I'm the one with strange tastes.
Having references from other games of the series is a trait of every final fantasy.
Having FFXIV push that to the next level made sense, especially since it's a MMO.
I think they sorta... overdid it though.
One thing is having references, cameos, stuff that feels like devs are winking to you.
Another thing is what they did in FFXIV, which would be ok for a title that's born with that purpose (I dunno, like "World of Final Fantasy"?) but here we're talking about a mainline numbered FF, from which I expect a lore and a story and a "feeling" of its own.
...and FFXIV totally has it, and it's wonderful, so what am I blabbering about?
I dunno, it's just that I love all the cross title references, cameos, re-use of stuff etc, it's just that I feel in FFXIV they've gone way too far with that, especially when they tried to implement stuff not as side-bonus that's there for fun but shouldn't be considered canonical, but they actually tried to make that perfectly canon.
Like the FFXII raid (which I loved & hated at the same time for those rasons) or the NieR raids, and so on.
I mean wtf, that's taking it way too far.
As cool as it is it's beyond what you should be making for a game that has its own identity.
Then again I'll admit I'm the odd one here, given how well FFXIV is selling it's quite clear I'm the one with strange tastes.
You're right about NieR, Yoko Taro did create the XIV side story as a direct extension to his in-universe lore.
Ivalice, though, isn't canonical in any way to any existing Ivalice game. It mixes some concepts from FF12, FFT, and Vagrant Story but Matsuno has explicitly stated that none of it is tied back to the originals. He just took the chance to write more of his beloved setting and ran with it (til he got canned again. I'll never get over how dirty they did Gabranth by giving him an off screen death). The characters and settings in XIV's Ivalice are reminiscent of their source material, but they're also wholly different characters and areas with little to no actual resemblance to their original counterparts in terms of personality and overall character development. It's more or less just names and appearances.
There are some exceptions. For example, the actual, genuine in the flesh Noctis, Lightning, Shantotto, and Iroha have visited Eorzea and have their little event quest stories. Out of those only really the latter two have a satisfactory lore reason as to why they're there but eh.
Ivalice, though, isn't canonical in any way to any existing Ivalice game. It mixes some concepts from FF12, FFT, and Vagrant Story but Matsuno has explicitly stated that none of it is tied back to the originals. He just took the chance to write more of his beloved setting and ran with it (til he got canned again. I'll never get over how dirty they did Gabranth by giving him an off screen death). The characters and settings in XIV's Ivalice are reminiscent of their source material, but they're also wholly different characters and areas with little to no actual resemblance to their original counterparts in terms of personality and overall character development. It's more or less just names and appearances.
There are some exceptions. For example, the actual, genuine in the flesh Noctis, Lightning, Shantotto, and Iroha have visited Eorzea and have their little event quest stories. Out of those only really the latter two have a satisfactory lore reason as to why they're there but eh.
Asura.Sechs said: »
We're getting a bit OT
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Lol, I came across this guys channel and he does a lot of FF content. Anytime XI comes up its like the FF fans want to erase it from existing. Then he gets to XIV and does the longest segment on it even tho he claims to not have time to play XI or do a simple google search.
It's not enough that something becomes popular because of all the cash poured into it from the company, but to ignore what made that even possible is so sad. It's really common too
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