Official BLM Epeen Vs SCH Epeen Thread!! Keep These Fights Clean!

best mage job eternius? really?

Rdm plays a specific role, whm plays a specific role, blm plays a specific role, sch plays the field and allows galkas to try to be mages

I dont see sch getting tier2 enfeebles or nearly as much skill as a rdm

ITT we murder easy to spell words because they are foreign.

Anyways, to be on topic, Phalanx II can give up to 29 DMG reduction for 4 minutes. Phalanx II = Phalanx I at a perfect setup on both ends, unless you're a RDM. Then Phalanx I gets 1 more damage.

I'm not saying SCH gets more skill.

But SCH definitely does get more M.ACC.

Tier 2 Enfeebles are only useful in group activities, and if you don't have a RDM there for those, something is wrong.

That being said, most T2 Enfeebles are a waste of MP solo or low-man and even bad RDMs know not to use them without a whole alliance to back them up once they run out.

A waste in solo or low man? Ever watch a RDM and THF duo something? Non gimpy Para and Slow II makes a world of a difference.

Actually, not only have I watched it, I've done it as both RDM and THF, and as NIN and SCH, and as the BRD in a trio group.

That being said, even Charybdis can be done easily solo by a NIN/DNC just using gimpy Hojo: Ni and Jubaku: Ichi.

And when I said "most" are a waste in low-man, the only exception I was letting through was Slow II, which when stacked with Carnage Elegy is 87% Slow. Far from a waste.

non gimpy gear and good support helps with mp too lolol cap phalanx2 and invest in some gear and youre the correct job to be aiding the tank party

all this epeen on puddings is moot, utility in a cooperation based game is what should be focused on

blm gets sleepga 2, sleepga 1, sleep 2, sleep 1 without using charges that are making your nukes so bawesome

And yet Phalanxga is still better.

And in the case of stratagems, I was doing Dynamis last night, on main Sleepga duty, and I still had time to outnuke every BLM in the shell. And I only once ran out of Stratagems on the boss.

I don't see how you can expect us to take your arguments seriously, Eternius. You are saying to use stuff like helixes to help damage over time, but saying enfeeble tier II's are not worth it when they lessen the mob's damage over time.

I know it's not a thread about defensive, but when talking about making the absolute best, there's no room to pick and choose. There's only one best. Just one.

Also, I haven't read Kanican's entire website, but doesn't using him for reference before defeat the entire point of your "Use AOE Drain and Aspirs!" argument, seeing as how the massive emnity would get you killed if you gear yourself to drain/aspir worth a damn?

Pro-choice!

Okay then. Fine. Go get on BLM, main heal the entire party, use all enfeebles, buff the tanks, and still be the best nuking job out there.

If there can only be one, then you had better make it worth it.


Name one time you have gotten killed by casting Drain and Aspir only and then I'll take your point into consideration.

phalanxga is better if you have all the possible gear and merits lol and whothefuck merits enhancing magic

Pick your poison.





I've heard there's this spell called "Refresh" that RDM can cast on you, maybe you've heard of it too?



Bzzt. Wrong. I don't care how much HP you cure with Cure IV, it is going to generate by far more enmity than Cure V. In any extended fight, this is a very dangerous thing. SCH can give Aurorastorm to WHM and no SCH is using Rapture over Penury for Cure IV.

So you have ~9INT more than me (possibly a stronger burn), no more MAB (I have capped potency merits etc), maybe I should go and try for a better one.

Ah, I get it. So you're an *** to everyone no matter what they say.

You might want to go have a chat with Vegetto. You two are more than welcome to go hate each other and leave us alone.



I'm sorry, but not only is Sublimation better than Refresh, I don't have a RDM slave following me around at all times to Refresh me.

And SCH can get more Enmity reduction gear (And JAs, if it actually mattered but I doubt most people merit those), than WHM. Unless you're a WHM that casts exclusively Cure V, which is not only very MP efficient but most likely will get cut off by the SCH out-main-healing you with half the casting speed.

And for your big waste-of-space screenshot:


Neutral day, no INT merits, and only 2 Stormsurge merits, not that they matter on Lightning spells.

Edit: Sorry, Argettio. That was directed at Cymmina.

Until you hit 50% HP, then you have absolutely nothing and the RDM is still running around with refresh on ^^

Now, while you like to spout the same arguement over and over and over again..

BLM/SCH, has better Damage:MP because they have all the MP- deals you have, and naturally put more the same damage.


WHM/SCH, has better everything and will always be a better healer than SCH/whatever the hell they like.


I know you're a SCH fanboy Enternius.. but please, don't try to make it out that SCH is better than any other job, when those jobs can easily go above SCH with the change of a SJ.

And I know you just hate me, but that's no reason to blame SCH.

You can't just say BLM > SCH because SCH is an amazing sub as well as a main job.

You would need 3 people to account for what SCH is, and you still wouldn't have the same MP efficiency or abilities SCH has.

Though to be fair, BLM/SCH lets you use AMIIs once every 2 minutes, so MP management is on par with SCH in that respect, but SCH can use Parsimony for almost every nuke for 5-7 minutes straight. Just because you can do the same thing doesn't mean you're better at doing it.

Pot, kettle, black?

I just strongly doubt any SCH can nuke as well as a BLM while main healing a party as well as a WHM and enfeebling as well as a RDM. I'd rather have 3 people than one person with a god complex proclaiming to do it all at once and being a total failsauce because of it.

So,

SCH/Whatever, to get 1.6k nukes for 80MP uses: Parsimony, Ebullience (2 Stratagems).
BLM/SCH, to get 1.6k nukes for 80MP uses: Parsimony (1 stratagem).

SCH uses 2/4 Stratagems. (50%)
BLM uses 1/2 Stratagems. (50%)


Now, you'd need 3 people to account for what SCH does?

How many times do you do 3 things at once in a PT? You're either nuking, healing or.. whatever the third one is.. I'm assuming buffing? I've yet to see a SCH do 2 of those, let alone 3.


And for the record, yes.. I don't like you in the slightest, but that really doesn't make me want to blame SCH.

Scroll up.

Reread everything I said.

Tell me where I said I do all three.

I'm out.

I also find it amazing that he says he won't argue with degenerates as his final word. He's calling us degenerates when we haven't done anything but try and pick apart his argument. Pot, kettle, black; yet again.

Denotations and connotations. Just because you don't say it flat outright doesn't mean you're not shoving it in our faces.

If we are doing an Epeen Who can nuke the HIGHEST with one nuke.
Blm will tend to win. But From Max MP to Zero MP. Sch without a doubt will output more Dmg with Helix and LEss resist and strat's to save mp.

Phalanxga is better then Phalan 2 Yes. Unless the Rdm has 5/5 Phalan2 at which point Sch cant touch. You dont Cap Phalanx2 unless you have the Enhancing torque, Glamour Jupon, AF2 Gloves, Af Pants and the +5 on your sea cape.

I do think Sch is a way better use of your time (even though Im a redmage) if you need to cast it on more then one person but just saying If your talking perfect gear/merits vs perfect gear/merits Phalanx2 Does still suck for how much merits it takes but is still the best you can hope for. (Even if it is like 1.135% better then Phalanx1 from a rdm or Sch

Holy ***, i slept through World World XI. X_x;

I can see every single conceivable side of everyone's argument but the simple fact BLM was my second 75 back before Aht Urghan came out, never have i seen such MP efficiency and ability to compare damage as well as helix spell DOT's compared to on SCH.

I said from the start that posting damage vs damage was pointless even though Dasva thought he won the thread with 1991 damage and i was literally WITH Enternius last night when he nailed 1992 about 30 minutes later with very little into his merits or effort.

Also, i'm not even sure who the dumbass is that brought refresh up in a BLM vs SCH argument but gg's i suppose. That had zero to do with this.

I mean hey though if you want to bring nonsense in, do BLM/SCH with a RDM and we can do SCH/BLM with a BRD.



I'm not so much into "whos better" more along the lines of understanding that SCH are right next to BLM if anything in terms of what they can do. We can even achieve the 320/120 on SCH with a great deal of effort which shouldn't be passed off or scoffed at regardless of your own biased opinions.

How is this ridiculous and overdone? I wasn't aware that the 320/120 on SCH was anything to "lol" at. And yeah gg's on not knowing about the 3 INT lacking on CoP ring.

Show me another set where SCH gets the 320/120 if you think this is wrong or "overdone".

All I have to say is, our LS has 2 schs, and they never come it...why? Because SCH is inferior to the other jobs.

incoming butt hurt replies

Then you obviously don't low man and throw tons of ***at things. SCH is for low man skilled situations.

If you wanted to get all "my HNM shell is so awesome" then sure you'll want to throw actual BLM's RDM's WHM's and every other conceivable job into your giant alliance to takedown whatever you feel is "cool kid stuff" or what not.

I don't do HNM, we low man everything, generally we have 8 people to anything and yet we still don't take SCHs.

Nice assumption though.

Well it's easy to be vague and then come back and try to swoosh. Since your title is Sun Charioteer i want to assume your talking about 8 manning salvage then?

Feel free to be more specific anytime.

Again, you fail to realize the concept of sub job and their abilities.

BLM/SCH has the same abilities that SCH has to 37. Meaning we get Dark Arts and we get those 2 nice job abilities that you love to throw at our faces when it comes to conserve MP. We also have Sublimation (although not as potent because we don't have as much HP as SCHs do) so you can't use that against us.



But then again, you don't realize that WHMs can use /SCH too (RDMs don't, they are that cool).

While Enfeebga is nice, it will still get you killed. Try drainga on a bunch of sleeping mobs, and try sleeping them again, and see what happens.

You can not survive being a main heal either, because, guess what, you don't have that much choice in Enmity- gear. You will get a ***ton of hate from 2 Cure IVs than a RDM would from 3 Cure IVs. WHM Cure IVs? Probably 5-6 of them. That means that the mob will come beat your *** down from all the hate you are giving to yourself (by way of buffga AND healing) and then you will wonder why your buffer is nil.

tl:dr?

SCH is not the best nuker, its 2nd best.
SCH is not the best enfeebler, its 3rd best.
SCH is not the best healer, its 2nd best (almost tied with RDM imo though).

People realized this, why do you think nobody wants to include your SCH if you have a RDM/BLM/WHM already?

Another cute assumption, our LS consists of maybe 12 people at most in a day. When I say "we low man everything" I meant it. Vague was far from what I said.