That blm must have been severely under-merited or resisted. Also whose to say he didn't accidentally nuke in MP/Resting gear and then switch over? His spell was Thunder IV and he's obviously using Aquilo's Staff so he must of changed gear or used the wrong staff.
I didn't take the screenshot as he was nuking, that was like half an hour later.
The nukes, however, were both on Lightsday with no active weather (Besides my Hailstorm).
Enchantment is Spirit Lantern, and he got a day proc. That is FAR from normal damage.
Can one argue that the stratagems are not normal damage? Just asking before I *try* some math with some numbers I think I have somewhere.
Stratagems are, without a doubt, normal damage. Taking out Stratagems is like taking out WSs for SAM or DoT for MNK.
Yes and no. Using that strat kinda means either one they aren't doing there whole super efficient thing with parsimony or 2 they are hardly nuking at all waiting on strats which kinda defeats the purpose of being so efficient since the blm will just rest
I found this in my screenshots folder of the time I was on Ramuh watching Dasva in manaburn. I think this screenshot is a thread winner, to be honest... I'd like to see a SCH top that.
Besides, the rules didn't say that SCHs can't use their Job Abilities.
And the rules also didn't say that the BLMs have to gimp their nukes to "even" it out for SCH.
Show the best possible damage for SCH and the best possible damage for BLM.
Then debate if having 50% MP (because you can have that type of damage with JAs up both ways) for MP conserve, then debate Conserve MP proc (since BLM can proc it more than SCH, thanks to all the gear BLM can wear that has Conserve MP+ on it).
The entire thread seems to be more of an "I can nuke higher than you, I win" epeen-type when it's really not what BLM vs SCH is about. BLM has higher INT, Elemental skill, access to better INT/MAB gear, etc. There's no contest as to who should (in general) nuke for more damage. It's all about the efficiency. How about some HNM scenarios? Or at least something besides lolpuddings that illustrates DoT and consistency.
The entire thread seems to be more of an "I can nuke higher than you, I win" epeen-type when it's really not what BLM vs SCH is about. BLM has higher INT, Elemental skill, access to better INT/MAB gear, etc. There's no contest as to who should (in general) nuke for more damage. It's all about the efficiency. How about some HNM scenarios? Or at least something besides lolpuddings that illustrates DoT and consistency.
Klimaform pretty much floors resist on anything barring LV95 HNMs. And it can be up 2/3 of the time.
The entire thread seems to be more of an "I can nuke higher than you, I win" epeen-type when it's really not what BLM vs SCH is about. BLM has higher INT, Elemental skill, access to better INT/MAB gear, etc. There's no contest as to who should (in general) nuke for more damage. It's all about the efficiency. How about some HNM scenarios? Or at least something besides lolpuddings that illustrates DoT and consistency.
You mean something like 3k Burst II on Faffy?
Siren.Enternius said:
Klimaform pretty much floors resist on anything barring LV95 HNMs. And it can be up 2/3 of the time. /endthread
Wow, 66% resist rate on HNMs? I can hit 85% on wyrms easy.
I have seen SCH's using it getting resists on many occasions against a variety of mobs.
Preliminary testing shows that it may be linked to Dark Magic skill.
That being said, I have a capped Dark Magic build, and get 40-50 M.ACC from it. Enough to stick a full Anemohelix on Kirin without a resist almost 90% of the time.
I like where this thread is going. Great topic idea Korpg. I would also like more HNM situations. Since even a rdm can do decent on puddings if they have the gear/merits to support it. Hell I've even had blu in a manaburn pt a couple times, and they did well enough I thought.
Enternius, how the hell do you calculate that you get an extra 40-50 macc? That sounds like some serious eye-balling to me.
Anyway, Krapg originally stated that this thread was for the biggest possible numbers attainable to both jobs, no restrictions on any circumstances, just list what help you had. Let's not turn this into another "serious" blm vs sch thread and keep it light hearted and epeeniferous.
I like where this thread is going. Great topic idea Korpg. I would also like more HNM situations. Since even a rdm can do decent on puddings if they have the gear/merits to support it. Hell I've even had blu in a manaburn pt a couple times, and they did well enough I thought.
There are a few BLU nukes that do decent-to-pretty-good damage when geared appropriately. The issues are that few BLUs actually gear for nuking properly and said nukes have terrible range (and often MP efficiency).
I like where this thread is going. Great topic idea Korpg. I would also like more HNM situations. Since even a rdm can do decent on puddings if they have the gear/merits to support it. Hell I've even had blu in a manaburn pt a couple times, and they did well enough I thought.
wait what, blu? I've screwed around on blu in pudding parties a couple of times a long long time ago and found damage to MP ratio to be absolutely miserable (both breath and INT/MND based). Granted my INT/MND builds have improved a lot since then, but what spells were they using?
Edit: two of the best nukes for blu imo are regurgitation and corrosive ooze, but they're both water based and therefor do ***damage on flans (I think?). As I said, haven't tried it for a very long time.
I like where this thread is going. Great topic idea Korpg. I would also like more HNM situations. Since even a rdm can do decent on puddings if they have the gear/merits to support it. Hell I've even had blu in a manaburn pt a couple times, and they did well enough I thought.
wait what, blu? I've screwed around on blu in pudding parties a couple of times a long long time ago and found damage to MP ratio to be absolutely miserable (both breath and INT/MND based). Granted my INT/MND builds have improved a lot since then, but what spells were they using?
Edit: two of the best nukes for blu imo are regurgitation and corrosive ooze, but they're both water based and therefor do ***damage on flans (I think?). As I said, haven't tried it for a very long time.
It's been a long time since I've manaburned on BLM, so I'm not exactly sure which spells they were. I do remember magic hammer quiet often though.
I like where this thread is going. Great topic idea Korpg. I would also like more HNM situations. Since even a rdm can do decent on puddings if they have the gear/merits to support it. Hell I've even had blu in a manaburn pt a couple times, and they did well enough I thought.
wait what, blu? I've screwed around on blu in pudding parties a couple of times a long long time ago and found damage to MP ratio to be absolutely miserable (both breath and INT/MND based). Granted my INT/MND builds have improved a lot since then, but what spells were they using? Edit: two of the best nukes for blu imo are regurgitation and corrosive ooze, but they're both water based and therefor do ***damage on flans (I think?). As I said, haven't tried it for a very long time.
Well I know Blazza can probably beat this but was kinda cool as taru with no hp merits hell wasn't even in hp gear or using hp food.
wait what, blu? I've screwed around on blu in pudding parties a couple of times a long long time ago and found damage to MP ratio to be absolutely miserable (both breath and INT/MND based). Granted my INT/MND builds have improved a lot since then, but what spells were they using?
Puddings aren't really fair for illustrating the value of breath spells. BLMs and SCHs implore the +25% damage compounding with the +15% from staff in their nukes, a +15% sorely missed by BLUs.
Not saying breaths are all that MP efficient, though, because they aren't. Their purpose is to allow BLUs to deal significant magical damage from afar where physical damage just doesn't work.
I don't know if we get the +25% on puddings with breaths, it's something I've never actually considered before. Taking Heat Breath for example; Given you have 1500 HP, Mirage or Saurian, and Conserve MP doesn't proc, we're looking at 825 or 1031 damage (depending on whether the bonus is applied or not, again unsure if it does) for 169 MP, a sizable disadvantage to BLM casting Thunder IV for 171 MP or SCH casting Thunder IV for 154 MP.
even if EVERY SINGLE person responded civilly, just the fact your provoking a fight at all deems this worthy of flamecore.
sincerely hope moderators know better and stuff this crap where it belongs..
also amused by your trying to make rules and regulations for any forum you didnt create, and "allowing admin full authority" to do so lol..
Puddings aren't really fair for illustrating the value of breath spells. BLMs and SCHs implore the +25% damage compounding with the +15% from staff in their nukes, a +15% sorely missed by BLUs.
Not saying breaths are all that MP efficient, though, because they aren't. Their purpose is to allow BLUs to deal significant magical damage from afar where physical damage just doesn't work.
I don't know if we get the +25% on puddings with breaths, it's something I've never actually considered before. Taking Heat Breath for example; Given you have 1500 HP, Mirage or Saurian, and Conserve MP doesn't proc, we're looking at 825 or 1031 damage (depending on whether the bonus is applied or not, again unsure if it does) for 169 MP, a sizable disadvantage to BLM casting Thunder IV for 171 MP or SCH casting Thunder IV for 154 MP.
That +25% applies to all sources of magic dmg including things like breaths and even non elemental stuff like spirits within. So add another +25% to that and then another +15% because really if your manaburn on blu and not using staffs theres something wrong. So your looking at more like 1482.
1. Keep it nice and clean. No drama.
2. Back up your numbers. Show Screenshots if possible.
3. Show your gear. How in the hell would we know if that 1 SCH brought out that 10k Stone I if we don't know your gear.
4. Job setups are a must. If you had help getting that damage, show it.
5. Job Abilities are a must. Since SCH can't do anything without a JA backing it up, show it.
6. If you have numbers outside of damage, show your work. Where's your proof?
Follow these 6 simple rules, and lets try not to get this put in Flame Core!
I allow full authority to the Admins to nuke any posts that go off of subject, even if its my posts. Lets try to keep this on subject, and let the fight begin!
I'd like to see a SCH top that.
