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Official BLM epeen vs SCH epeen thread!! Keep these fights clean!
Asura.Korpg
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-10-25 22:15:17
Since this has/will always be a hot topic.
Let this thread be the offical BLM vs SCH thread.
Rules in this thread:
1. Keep it nice and clean. No drama.
2. Back up your numbers. Show Screenshots if possible.
3. Show your gear. How in the hell would we know if that 1 SCH brought out that 10k Stone I if we don't know your gear.
4. Job setups are a must. If you had help getting that damage, show it.
5. Job Abilities are a must. Since SCH can't do anything without a JA backing it up, show it.
6. If you have numbers outside of damage, show your work. Where's your proof?
Follow these 6 simple rules, and lets try not to get this put in Flame Core!
I allow full authority to the Admins to nuke any posts that go off of subject, even if its my posts. Lets try to keep this on subject, and let the fight begin!
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Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-10-25 22:18:51
I suppose we should stick to Tier4 nukes?
Asura.Korpg
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-10-25 22:19:51
Naw, full access to all spells.
Not going to gimp ourselves for the lolschs.
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-10-25 22:19:58
I do not argue with degenerates.
As far as I (Or any mage worth his salt) cares, SCH > BLM.
Kanican said: For those of you too lazy to read the entire post, I'll just say this right off the bat - in my personal opinion, Scholar is generally superior to Black Mage when played correctly in most situations in endgame. This is something I don't say lightly as for the better part of 4 years, Black Mage was my favorite and only job - near perfectly gear, and I guess due to this blog, looked up to by some.
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Fenrir.Parak
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By Fenrir.Parak 2009-10-25 22:21:27
Asura.Korpg said:
Follow these 6 simple rules, and lets try not to get this put in Flame Core!
You can't setup a kind of thread like this and expect it not to be all "Flame Core"ish... Haha
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2009-10-25 22:21:37
Maybe some numbers would be nice? I still lean in favor of SCH myself, but I'd like to see just what the average poster of FFXIAH does with theirs ^^
And yeah, stay on topic. Don't just go "OMG SCH RUELZ" in many, many more words.
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-10-25 22:21:59
Siren.Enternius said: I do not argue with degenerates. As far as I (Or any mage worth his salt) cares, SCH > BLM. Kanican said: For those of you too lazy to read the entire post, I'll just say this right off the bat - in my personal opinion, Scholar is generally superior to Black Mage when played correctly in most situations in endgame. This is something I don't say lightly as for the better part of 4 years, Black Mage was my favorite and only job - near perfectly gear, and I guess due to this blog, looked up to by some.
For those of you that read it more he says you need near perfect gear to floor your resist on any HNMs worth there salt. ANd that sch is superiour in the dmg/mp part of nuking only.
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Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-10-25 22:22:28
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Asura.Korpg
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-10-25 22:22:40
Siren.Enternius said: I do not argue with degenerates. As far as I (Or any mage worth his salt) cares, SCH > BLM. Kanican said: For those of you too lazy to read the entire post, I'll just say this right off the bat - in my personal opinion, Scholar is generally superior to Black Mage when played correctly in most situations in endgame. This is something I don't say lightly as for the better part of 4 years, Black Mage was my favorite and only job - near perfectly gear, and I guess due to this blog, looked up to by some.
And yet, he doesn't mention BLM/SCH...
Gives you the full benifits of BLM with most of the benifits of SCH.
He likes to compare damage with SCH/BLM, why can't we compare jobs like such:
BLM/SCH vs SCH/BLM...
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-10-25 22:22:41
All the numbers you need.
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2009-10-25 22:24:54
What food did you eat and what's that little enchantment symbol mean >_>
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-10-25 22:25:43
Enchantment is Spirit Lantern, and he got a day proc. That is FAR from normal damage.
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-10-25 22:25:43
From other thread:
Garuda.Wooooodum said: Ramuh.Dasva said: I believe we've already had a discusion on this pic. There is no way that is normal dmg for a blm with that gear even if he has no potency merits. I can hit higher easy with 0 morrigan and no novio
My BLM is gimper than Dasva's and even I can beat that BLM's Thunder IV.
Seriously, I don't believe that pic. My BLM is really NOTHING to sing home about, with the exception of one or two nice pieces, and I can beat that Thunder IV more or less every cast.
I mean, my BLM is worse than Dasvas. I can't fathom how a BLM with near perfect gear would nuke lower than me.
Asura.Korpg
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-10-25 22:25:45
Me vs a SCH at puddings.
Please notice the spell types.
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-10-25 22:28:27
I'd like to see a sch hit this even in a pt with a cor blm smn and brd helping him let alone solo
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-10-25 22:29:38
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-10-25 22:31:18
Seed Mandragoras take 5x damage.
I forgot to take a screenshot of my 12k Sidewinder c.c
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-10-25 22:31:31
Just because one person, albeit a very skilled one, says something, doesn't mean you're as good as them for agreeing. :p
Present your own arguments, linking to that for sources. Don't just go "Well this guy says" and leave it at that. <.<
Come on, food for thought!
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-10-25 22:33:00
Yeah yeah blm can use spirit lantern for +10% dmg
Asura.Korpg
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-10-25 22:33:16
Damn Dasva, I almost beat you on that Freeze...
Although, I am a hume...
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-10-25 22:33:54
Siren.Enternius said: Seed Mandragoras take 5x damage.
I forgot to take a screenshot of my 12k Sidewinder c.c
Oh right lol. I d/c'd the first time fighting those little *** so I had to wait until JP midnight to do it again. Had to get all the f***ing items again WTF. Sorry off topic, continue...
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-10-25 22:34:10
Siren.Enternius said: Seed Mandragoras take 5x damage. I forgot to take a screenshot of my 12k Sidewinder c.c
Lol no they don't. Not to magic. Thats just there extra dmg AND extremely low def kicking in.
Asura.Korpg
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-10-25 22:35:10
Oh hell, I need to get a spirit lantern....just to see if I can beat 2.7k Freeze -.-
All these number I have shown you, all of it is without that Lantern...
btw Dasva, since I'm lazy and don't wana look it up, where do you get that Lantern?
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By Midgardsormr.Sectumsempra 2009-10-25 22:35:13
Siren.Enternius said: Enchantment is Spirit Lantern, and he got a day proc. That is FAR from normal damage.
Can one argue that the stratagems are not normal damage? Just asking before I *try* some math with some numbers I think I have somewhere.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-10-25 22:36:07
Asura.Korpg said: Oh hell, I need to get a spirit lantern....just to see if I can beat 2.7k Freeze -.-
All these number I have shown you, all of it is without that Lantern...
btw Dasva, since I'm lazy and don't wana look it up, where do you get that Lantern?
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Spirit_Lantern
pulling the strings enm.
Asura.Korpg
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-10-25 22:37:57
Asura.Ludoggy said: Asura.Korpg said: Oh hell, I need to get a spirit lantern....just to see if I can beat 2.7k Freeze -.- All these number I have shown you, all of it is without that Lantern... btw Dasva, since I'm lazy and don't wana look it up, where do you get that Lantern? http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Spirit_Lantern pulling the strings enm.
thanks
Ifrit.Clouse
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By Ifrit.Clouse 2009-10-25 22:39:38
Siren.Enternius said:
All the numbers you need.
lol gear isn't all that determines ones damage.
That blm must have been severely under-merited or resisted. Also whose to say he didn't accidentally nuke in MP/Resting gear and then switch over? His spell was Thunder IV and he's obviously using Aquilo's Staff so he must of changed gear or used the wrong staff.
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-10-25 22:41:11
I found this in my screenshots folder of the time I was on Ramuh watching Dasva in manaburn. I think this screenshot is a thread winner, to be honest...
I'd like to see a SCH top that.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-10-25 22:42:08
Garuda.Wooooodum said: I found this in my screenshots folder of the time I was on Ramuh watching Dasva in manaburn. I think this screenshot is a thread winner, to be honest...
I'd like to see a SCH top that.
I lol'ed
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-10-25 22:43:10
Midgardsormr.Sectumsempra said: Siren.Enternius said: Enchantment is Spirit Lantern, and he got a day proc. That is FAR from normal damage.
Can one argue that the stratagems are not normal damage? Just asking before I *try* some math with some numbers I think I have somewhere.
Stratagems are, without a doubt, normal damage.
Taking out Stratagems is like taking out WSs for SAM or DoT for MNK.
Since this has/will always be a hot topic.
Let this thread be the offical BLM vs SCH thread.
Rules in this thread:
1. Keep it nice and clean. No drama.
2. Back up your numbers. Show Screenshots if possible.
3. Show your gear. How in the hell would we know if that 1 SCH brought out that 10k Stone I if we don't know your gear.
4. Job setups are a must. If you had help getting that damage, show it.
5. Job Abilities are a must. Since SCH can't do anything without a JA backing it up, show it.
6. If you have numbers outside of damage, show your work. Where's your proof?
Follow these 6 simple rules, and lets try not to get this put in Flame Core!
I allow full authority to the Admins to nuke any posts that go off of subject, even if its my posts. Lets try to keep this on subject, and let the fight begin!
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