Official BLM Epeen Vs SCH Epeen Thread!! Keep These Fights Clean!

Das, what Azulmagia meant is that breath spells don't GET a damage bonus from using staves, it only effects accuracy.

But yes, puddings take extra damage to breath spells, but as Azulmagia said, it really can't be the most efficient way of fighting them.

@ Clinpachi, nah, I say get a cor and a blu (diffusion Memento Mori) and do the nuke again and see what numbers you can come up with >:o

Have him put his numbers down proving he doesnt have any up and is solo and sure

lol. But i agree with the person above who stated sheer nuke damage vs nuke damage as as useful as comparing a MNK and PUP in hand to hand damage.

But i have to be serious and tell you guys that Enternius has wrecked ***out here beyond what i thought possible on SCH lol. Even in the screenshot i just posted hes giving all these BLM an easy run for the money with less resting.'

It's seriously kinda scary >_>

if this wasnt going to turn into a , sch is better or blm is better debate, and was truly an open platform to idea exchange for how/why to use each.. sure, id capitulate with that.
im just getting really tired of hearing people try to claim one being better than the other, for any reason or number. every job is situational and has a place...
"official epeen thread for blm vs sch" to me screams, for all you schs that think you made blm obsolete, tell us why, for all you blms that think sch are a blah blah blah whatever, lets here it. any fight over something circumstantial would be flamecore to me.. this wont be exchanging ideas.. can almost guarantee in the end this will be idea vs. idea, mines better than yours style.

Take stratagems away from scholars then.

Why wouldn't it? It's not like it adds MAB it just adds dmg at the end to all dmging spells.

I think it is actually 15% MAB, not 15% damage increase. Either way, it simply doesn't, if you don't believe me go cast poison breath on a level 1 mob with staff, then again without, they'll be the same damage.

For those who don't know, breath spells are completely unaffected by MAB; the damage formula is HP based.

Heat Breath's damage formula is simply HP/2.

EDIT: Blazza, is that with Convergence? If not, how did you get 2228 HP? ; ; *is a Taru*

I'll do it later. And it's not MAB it is a +15% done after MAB and dint and stuff. Kinda like weather and or ebullience and stuff

I also like how the Sch is wearing Hyorin Obi and the Blm is wearing Witch Sash. The Blm already lost 10-35% damage right there. Let alone casting Thunder4 with Aquilo's on, that made me lol. Lost another 15% right there. ^^

Let's math it up, we shall say ONLY day bonus from Obi for the Blm, 10% + the 15% from HQ staff.
1430 + 25% = 1788 Considerable more damage than a Sch heavily geared vs Blm heavily geared. or...

We can math it up vs the Sch and remove shall we say the 15% from staff and we'll say 10% from Obi bonus.
1543 - 25% = 1157 Considerably less than the Blm.

Both examples saying ONLY iceday is active on Obi bonus, we can prolly guess the Sch is using Hailstorm which is another +7 int (if fully merited) AND weather bonus which would subtract another 10% from the 1157 amount which would bring the Sch down to 1041. Plus Sch no doubt had ebullience up which is another 20% from the 1041 which bring the Sch nuke down to 833. IDK how you'd subtract the int +7 but the math says there is no need, Sch got served already.

Got to keep in mind the odds of the Novio actually being Novio are high considering the rest of the gear BUT it could be a Novia as well. :3

lol wow.

This keeps getting better and better @_@

Hold on I need to go get in a pt that can boost my dmg and then take a screenshot of just dmg so no one can see whats going on.

Oh wow we didn't realize that wasn't what you were doing in the first place mr.enchantment.

I could understand though, he just won the thread by 1 point according to you wanting to win the thread with that 1991.

Azulmagia, yeah of course that's with convergence :p Most I can get my HP to is just over 1900 with carbonara and setting all my spells for pure HP, damn near useless for anything other than shits and giggles.

I dunno Das, I just know it doesn't effect breath spells.

And another couple pics for fun:

Look again I was solo. And even showed what was going on!

SCH/BLM.

It's cute that you revert to a whiny third-grader whenever someone does anything that's better than you, though.

Lol I like how none of your dmg has any context. I've seen horrible blms hit good dmg in pts. If you'd like I could do the math on that dmg

Negative, he only used 1 for the 20% boost.

As far as HNM go, is 320/120 still the magic number? I was looking around on BG a bit and heard mention of 330/130. I'm playing around with some sets on my blm, and from what I've looked at so far I can't reach 330/130 on my elvaan even with merits and 7+ int food.

Where does Sch sit when trying to get to these numbers?

Is/will be my high resist/HNM set.

This gives us a new total of 322 Elemental Magic Skill and +38 INT without food or stormsurge/hailstorm.

So theoretically we can add +14 INT when using both, which would bring INT to base +51.

This gives me 69+51 INT which somehow actually equals out to exactly 120.

Ok using backwards math if your interested I can post later but on my 1991 given my gear I got that the pudding must have had 75int seeing as I had burned... ah who cares he was /blm I'll assume he burned it for the same amount so the mob had same int.
I've heard that a blm/sch only has 2 more base int then a blm/sch and as a taru with int merits mine is 85.
So with that Clins current set has him at +39int +21MAB with ugg active and another +24 MAB from /blm. Add on another 7 int from an assumed creme puff. And for the sake of argument say he had day and forced thunder weather for another 1.2X dmg and ebullience for another 1.2.

So dmg forumala will look roughly like this:

D*Staff Bonus*Day | Weather Bonus*MAB / MDB *Target Magic Damage Adjustment=dmg
Well and 1.2 for ebullience
Where D= V + (dINT * M)
V=541 for thunder4
M=2 for T4 spells
dint=(entint-mobint)
entint~125(if he was taru hes hume so not sure how much lower that would be)
mobint=75
staffbonus=1.15
weatherbonus=1.2
MAB/MDB=1.45
magic adjustment for pudding=1.25
so (541+(124-75)*2)*1.15*1.2*1.45*1.25*1.2= 1917. Now to get to 1992 with just more int he could do it with another 12.5 more but seeing as his int is actually some value lower then what I used probably around 10ish that's alot. Could also get the same with another 5-6MAB.

Or tl;dr that dmg is impossible with his gear solo even if he was taru.

@ Sch guy
So only on ice based spells?

These are my numbers with this setup (minus the Uggy Pendant as I didn't have it at the time, was using Ele Torque and I do believe I was using Demon Helm +1 and not Maat's cap as well). This was done on the respective day with Obi and Sorcerer's Tonban.

BLM Nuke Item Set (Igqira Weskit Augmented INT+5 (INT +39 total, INT+44 with Aquilo's))


Edit:

I should go ahead and pull these numbers again, they're outdated=/

Not to mention, SCH can just get an ungodly amount of M.ACC through JAs and whatnot.

Klimaform is a massive boost in M.ACC (Estimated to be around 40-50 with capped Dark skill gear), and if that weren't enough, you could cap Focalization merits, for an additional +25.

That being said, a normal medium-high resist build, +Klimaform (Which, with Alacrity, can be up 66% of the time), is enough to land any enfeeble or nuke on any NM as long as it's not 95ish.

Dasva Hume sch vs. Taru sch would be a difference of 7 base int.

This is so way excessive lol. I mean 322skill AND another like 21macc and klimaform!?! Also that only gives you like +35int not 38... says right on there. Maybe af body+1 instead? Or you got something augment?

But what would be taru blm vs hum sch!?! Really it doesn't matter I used numbers assuming he was taru which favors him

/steals novio and maats cap and augmented weskit.