Official BLM Epeen Vs SCH Epeen Thread!! Keep These Fights Clean!

I never said it was hard to get. It's just not as easy to expend. The effect only lasts for 4 minutes...ok, so you can get like 80 minutes in total of good nuking out of it and then you have to go get another one. Sounds like a pain in the *** to me. Besides doing the fight, you have to count on it to actually drop, too.

*Tried to edit this before you posted, but you're quick to fire after saying it's a waste to post on this thread*

There's a difference between "hard" and "harder." You should go back to elementary school.

Anyway the point is no BLM will ever be full timing spirit lantern, while a SCH can easily fully time Ebullience.

If you count 1 nuke a minute full timing then yes

And this is one of the reasons why SCH and BLM should never be compared.

They both have different traits and abilities to make them better than the other. This is just like asking if PLD or NIN is the best tank.

What you're not accounting for, Das, is that Strategems recharge.

So while you technically have 1 charge per minute, you can stretch that out to 6-8 Ebullience nukes in a row without running out, as they're all recharging as you're casting.

First I never said that, and second I'm pretty sure you just removed it after you realized you were just being an idiot.


By the time you run out of charges, it's time to rest. So yes, you can keep it up full time or close to it. No matter how you slice it it's about 5000000x more convenient to keep it up than it is to keep up spirit lantern.

I'm a NIN almost fulltime when I'm not on SCH.

PLD is a better tank, hands-down.

I can give credit where credit is due. However, I see very little reason for BLM to deserve credit.

I am with you. My gear is similar to that which Kropg claims to be using (although he has a little more INT from augs/merits) otherwise our merits are the same.

And I can just break 2300 with Freeze II while solo (but using better food, burn and no obi so I get 5 INT from my belt).

I would like to point out that 2540/1.1 = 2310.

So I am going to say he is using a Spirit lantern to get over 2.5k with his gear.

Well it's 4 charges with none used, while in a pudding party Ebuillience is always up really.

I just deleted this whole post becuase it was too much. I was too hyped when I wrote it or something.

What a waste of time, Zoey. I'm not reading anything because we all know you suck at SCH. That's not SCH's fault, it's yours.

Honestly, I'm going to flip a ***if anyone suggests that sch sub whm anymore.

Me too!!!!

psh nin/drks hold hate better then a pld could dream of. And given a good nin/drk tank or tanks or even a decent pld one I can nuke just as much if not more then any sch for more dmg as a blm/sch. Sure strats recharge not sure if its same on sch main as sub but when I use up all my 2 strats I have to wait for the first one to finish then another 2 min for the next one regardless of how soon I used one after. So it is still effectively 1 a min with an extra 3 to start out with

Hey it has its rare uses. Even rarer then /blm but probably not as rare as /drk

No. SCH/WHM has no use. Period. Ever.

Yeah, you have to wait 4 minutes for all 4 to recharge, but how often are you constantly nuking like that?

If it's Dynamis, you have plenty of time to recharge while you're moving between groups or trying to target statues, etc.

In Sky, most Gods don't hold up long enough for mages to even get 8 nukes off before dying. And on Kirin, you can't nuke too hard because hate is fickle as hell.

In Sea, well SCH can solo pretty much everything in Sea, before JoL/AV, and so can BLM I assume so there's no real competition.

In Einherjar, mobs only survive 1-2 nukes.

My point is, sure you have limited stratagems, but unless you're doing something stupid like Parsimony/Alacrity/Manifesatation/Ebullience Aspir-ga and wasting 4 minutes of strats, the chances you'll run out during any normal situation are slim to none.

And yes, NIN/DRK can hold hate better, but it fills a very specific niche, used mostly for low-man, etc.

Yes it is the same kind of Recharing

What if you have to spam AOEs? Or at least more then 1 a minute?

@ lvl 75 then yes

While leveling I would /WHM for eariler access to stoneskin-ga and Curaga (before lvl 55 when you get accession) and a little extra MP (compared to /RDM) and possibly 1-2 other small reasons.

But once you hit 75 /WHM give divine seal and more MDB and that's about it.

Spam AOE what? Cures? This shouldn't ever happen. If you're spamming AOE cures that much you're just gonna die. You're better off doing AOE stoneskin frequently and AOE cure once in a while.

I used all 6 AM2 in order before without refresh or 2hr or meds... was kinda fun. And yes if your feeding mobs tp generally anything hard will use tp moves to rip that nins shadows to shreds. However you can still use a decent amount of people and not melee a HNM.

Accession is LV40.

Stoneskin-ga, however, is useful at LV56 for just burning through Lesser Colibri camps, which I did a lot.

Yeah I'll give that /WHM is good for low level parties. At 75 though, /RDM for everything. Except the very odd thing you might need /NIN for. But anyway at 75 /WHM is total garbage.

OK, I got the level wrong, but the point still stands. /WHM gives you access to spells that you would have to wait for if you /RDM.

Certain NMs have immunity to nukes, I guess that would give /WHM a use but at that point I'd just go RDM.

Depends on your emnity set. And really ok lets say lets say you need to barelement and status. That's 2 AOEs ever 3 minutes. That leaves you room for 1 stoneskinga in that 3 minute if you start with no charges.

Edit: That would mean, for an average SCH, the duration would be 230 seconds, or almost 4 minutes.