Official BLM Epeen Vs SCH Epeen Thread!! Keep These Fights Clean!

All that chatter about skill and mag acc doesn't *** matter on some god damn puddings. If you post a big number, post your *** armor with the numbers.

God damn right!

You started the *** thread then all you do in said thread is *** everyone and trash talk everyone who tries to show proof, how the *** is that even justifiable when you don't play the god damn job your trying to trash talk?

Except I did. I showed you screenshots to prove it.

I refer you to your comments to me in the BLM AM2 thread:



You have no opinion here.

Personaly I think the Arguement is kind'a silly @.@.

A BLM Has a Higher Elemental Skill and Has Better spells(AMIIs)

But in return for these thing a SCH Gains Lower costs/CastTimes/Recasts,
1 Minute Strams(where they can lower MP Cost <.< I hope Seems alittle silly to up the damage when they could give themselves Higher damage by getting to nuke more with less rest (Unless it's something Endgame where Maybe Feeding TP is a big deal, but if that were the cast then the SCH would probably be putting most of it's Strams to Buffing up BLMs and only 1 to themselves to open Ad: Black)
Helixs that are basicly a large nuke for 1/6th the Hate(But only 1 can be up at a time!) for a very small amount of MP Compared to T4 Nukes (This is the only thing I use Ebu for really @.@)
Plus can Do Tons of AoE Debuffs @.@
And a SCH Gets a Whole WHM Like Half!

I think When it comes to the Nuking for Pure Damage a BLM has it over SCHs, And When it comes to Accuracy BLMs have it over SCHs. But I think that SCHs have better Conserve MP When it comes down to it. I feel as though some places the arguement for a SCH is more to "I Can Nuke Well Too" Which is why the Arguement comes about @.@. I know I've Heard it before. Because it seems for some reason with the new jobs, half of the people understand them and adcept them and the other half think they're terrible(My LS for some reason the Leadership thinks SCH is Terrible, but I'm not terribly worried because I know it's a good job and if they don't care to figure it out That's their probably, I'm just as happy playing WHM)

To be honest as a SCH I'm happiest in a Party filled with 5-4 BLM/SCHs(ie as in SJ SCH) and myself (And if that 1 BLM is missing a COR or BRD I guess something in their place) This way All the BLMs Gain Ice Weather and Stoneskin to let them use Sublimation on themselves, they also Gain Dark arts that saves them 10% of their MP per nuke lowered Cast time/Recast And They can half the MP Costs of their Big Spells All while the SCH Can Still Nuke! (unlike having someone who is simply a Refresher who isn't really going to nuke much they're just going to Refresh for the most part, a SCH Still has nuking ability to them) Although the Buffing SCH Loses a bit of their own damage because their Strams are saved for AoE Hailstorm, AoE Stoneskin, and Re opening Ad:Black After that to nuke again, I think it's made up for in the damage they Gain from Giving the BLMs So much more MP conservation and Hailstorm.

A BLM is more Refined to that they're made for nuking and nothing else while a SCH has alot more to it.

Plus! I've not even touched most of the WHMy Half! AoE Silence, AoE Stona, AoE Na Spells on parties that arn't your own. AoE Cures on parties that arn't your own. SSga Phalanxga Enspellga Heatstormga(+7 STR if merited right, Works Great if you Enfire and Heatstormga a bunch of Fast hitting DDs :Q) Regen I/IIga And other such things @.@ (While we lack haste and Auspice R3 and RR3 and we can only take off 1 Debuff at a time, which is pretty big, but it just argues that it's situtational)

So I think to Argue one is better then the other is just alittle Silly @.@ They both have their ups and downs. Comes down to "***'s Situational"

What page? And I'll run the math.

I call bs on without extra support.

A hume, using sorc belt with ice day bonus (meaning obi bonus with INT6) goes a little over 2300. Your 2500+ is with support.

Let me lay it down in simpler terms, max damage on hume BLM

Full morggy, Novio, and every possible INT and MAB, plus af2 belt plus day bonus from ice day = freeze II high 2300s.

I say the same thing, but I already know he's gonna argue that one to the death so what's the point.

I'm sorry, I guess I forgot to mention that I had food on.

My bad. I'll try to mention that I used Melon Pie+1....

Edit: Oh yeah, also forgot to mention that I have 5/5 INT merits also, 5/5 Ice potency...

God damn it, I really should remember to tell everyone my life story next time.

Even higher with mag crit and enhancing, but since you didn't use those, no way you got 2500+. Everyone else may be naive. End of story.

I'm a hume, with full morggy, full merits INT5 and Ice5 novio, sorcbelt with uggy, phantom bugard+1 ixion cape etc etc Freeze II is only high 2300 when ice day bonus kicks in. So shut your *** up.

bahahahha.


you tell other people to support their damage then you get all butt hurt cause someone calls you out on dmg?

What, no obi?

Agree with Princemercury. I'm Tarutaru BLM with full INT and ice potency merits, Genie, Ixion, Novio, etc. etc. and 2500 is even pushing it a bit for me.

Do you use sorc ring as well?

If you get the weather effect anyway then you don't need an obi >.> he stated that he got the bonus already.

Uh, Iceday bonus kicks in 10% on all ice spells on ice day dumbass. Regardless if you have obi or not. Obi just makes it 100%.

is blm/sch really that good?


Never tried that yet.

Yes I use sorc ring, sorry. And high 2300 is my total.

Korpg were you /sch or /rdm on your nuke?

Heres why your completely lieing

I have no idea what your race is so I'll assume your taru and it says your 5/5 int merits so I'll give you that. I have 85 base in as a merit taru so you should have 83 if you were taru as a sch/blm and 24MAB.

Your gear shown on here looks like its more for healing/buffing so if I swap out goliard hands for Vmufflers, gol feet for yigit, obi for obi, staff for staff, um for fun throw in morgana body instead of your relic, prism cape for that merciful and mahat pants for the jet seraweels. That should get you +35 MAB and +34int. Give you another 7int from SS and 7 from creme puff puts you at 59MAB and 131int. We will assume you had both weather and day and ebullience. Wiki has has pudding int as 89. Lets say you got a 150int burn on it for -13int to put it at 76.

So dmg forumala will look roughly like this:
D*Staff Bonus*Day | Weather Bonus*MAB / MDB *Target Magic Damage Adjustment=dmg Well and 1.2 for ebullience
Where D= V (dINT * M)
V=506 for blizz4
M=2 for T4 spells
dint=(131-76)
staffbonus=1.15
weatherbonus=1.2
MAB/MDB=1.59
magic adjustment for pudding=1.25
so (506 +(131-76)*2)*1.15*1.2*1.59*1.25*1.2= 2027.

Now to get to 2317 with just more int(assuming you don't hit the point of int only being half as effective also assume you haven't already or even capped dint) you could do it with another 44int assuming your taru more if your not. Could also get the same with another 22-23MAB. And of course this is all assuming that I completely pimp your gear out that isn't well pimp out for dmg since morgana is kinda silly normally. Or tl;dr that dmg is impossible with his gear solo even if you are taru with super pimped gear without an int potion proccing rather high

Blindphleb, It doesn't matter. BLM/SCH and BLM/RDM is only 2 INT different. Which is about 10 DMG when damage is over 1800

Remember my question a few pages back about obis? They guarantee the bonus that is already possible. So if you're using sorcerers belt instead of obi and the weather bonus kicks in, you'll be 6 INT ahead.

Situationally awesome in group play. I use it a fair bit, basically anytime I don't need /RDM enfeebles and I'm in no danger of taking heavy damage unless I go nuke-happy.

No. The only difference it makes is you can hang onto your MP a little faster (which is usually laughable since /SCH you'll be dead 90% of the time anyway in the majority of situations). SCH is easily as capable of nuking HNM as well as a BLM. It's just harder for SCH to obtain the equipment that they need to do it.

Lol Great way to discount proof. Whats next you gunna tell me that sams can do 10k pentathrust on lolbri and until I lvl it theres no way I can dispute it?