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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2020-03-05 12:14:31
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fonewear said: »
Ask Bernie all he knows is the "corporate fat cats are getting rich"
I enjoy having brief moments living like a fat cat.
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By fonewear 2020-03-05 12:17:35
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Bernie doesn't know what socialism is if you really questioned him.

He just thinks that people like "free stuff"

And is counting on the average voter to be ignorant as ***.

Not doing independent research.

Just believe me. I'm fighting the power...all while I'm a powerful Senator.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-03-05 17:04:47
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Do you define Communism and Socialism differently?? I mean, you were past schooling when they great change happened in our schools where we stopped teaching the evils of communism. Must have happened sometime after I graduated.
I'm 75. I did duck and cover. I was politically aware at 7 and remember McCarthyism. I liked Ike. I probably graduated high school (at 15) before you were born.

Socialism =/= communism. For that matter communism =/= communism. I joke about being able to differentiate between seven varieties of communists by year and vineyard, but its kind of true. I used to know the difference between Trotskyisim, Maoism, Lenninism, and several other communist isms whos' names escape me at the moment.

How Are Socialism and Communism Different?

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I pay a portion of my pay check for my health insurance. My company pays out a lot more than I do for it. They pay it to a company, held privately, not by the government. That company does try to make a profit on this. I don't see how my purchasing insurance is socialism on any spectrum. Unless we start redefining things.
Lets start by pointing out that when people band together, by any means, to achieve a goal, its socialism. Emphasis is on the social bit. Insurance is socially spreading risk.

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For Taxes, I say pay them, but we shouldn't be burdened by overpaying for stupid ***. Paying taxes for your country for basic protection of your rights, would be more Federalism. At least I would say that. I don't hate taxes. I hate my money going to waste due to politicians spending on ***they need not to, rather than things they should, like roads and dams.
How about public health? Is that something we should spend tax money on or not? If so where do we stop? If not why do we even have a public health service, the CDC, the NIH, and the food and drug administration?

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I won't tell me fire department I don't desire their services. I don't have fire trucks and hoses to help me extinguish a house fire. I can source that out to them. Police, well since they can't really follow me everywhere, I legally carry firearms on my person, to protect myself and family from those that would harm us. I take personal responsibility in that. I don't expect the police to follow me around and I don't have billions of dollars like Bloomberg to hire my private guard.
But its still spending public money on the public good and therefore socialism.

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I don't think I replied with any snark, I certainly didn't intend any in my honest replies to you. Also I sincerely hope you don't mind me quoting then replying to your lines. I know some people lose their ***over it. I just hope it helps me address your remarks directly. Lots of points to cover, ya know?
You didn't, I tried not to, and I don't mind.
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By fonewear 2020-03-06 17:55:27
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-03-06 19:51:43
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Communism/socialism isn't about taxes or Medicare. It's about basic fundamentals of the economy.


Ultimately it's property rights. Capitalism is you owning property, Communism / Socialism is the community owning your property.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-03-06 20:58:56
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A very large and increasing proportion of the world are renting and will never be able to afford their own property. How's that much better than the state owning your property really? Both are ***.

The US has plenty of land, and most of it is still cheap. There's no point in switching to socialist land ownership. Even if it was legal on a large scale to commandeer property, only a small handful of cities are so crowded and expensive that the government would have a reason to step in. Ironically enough, those same places have governments that are utterly incompetent and would only make things worse. Lose-lose.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-03-06 21:01:48
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On a side note, it's looking like Romney got his arm twisted enough to be the deciding vote in favor of a Hunter Biden probe. The poor guy is about to lose his hero status with the media.
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By fonewear 2020-03-06 21:02:53
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So Bernie should get Fidel Castro to be his VP...he's dead well what difference at this point does it make !
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By fonewear 2020-03-06 21:04:56
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Just like Weekend at Bernie's. He doesn't know his campaign is over...but he aint' going to stop firing up those Bernie Bros !
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By fonewear 2020-03-06 21:05:33
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By Viciouss 2020-03-06 21:14:23
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On a side note, it's looking like Romney got his arm twisted enough to be the deciding vote in favor of a Hunter Biden probe. The poor guy is about to lose his hero status with the media.

/yawn. Wake us up when a law enforcement agency starts investigating. Till then, nobody is gonna care what the Republicans are doing. They've got nothing on Joe Biden.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-03-06 21:18:59
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On a side note, it's looking like Romney got his arm twisted enough to be the deciding vote in favor of a Hunter Biden probe. The poor guy is about to lose his hero status with the media.

/yawn. Wake us up when a law enforcement agency starts investigating. Till then, nobody is gonna care what the Republicans are doing. They've got nothing on Joe Biden.

Oh, don't worry. I don't expect anything to come of this, just like I expected nothing to happen to Trump as a result of the Mueller report. Biden's an insider, so regardless of what happened he's safe. I just like seeing Romney squirm.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2020-03-08 12:45:53
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https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/ff6dwj/today_biden_gave_a_speech_to_motivate_people_to/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

biden is having 10 minute speeches and still managing these mistakes, say what you want about trump but he isn't any better
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By Shiva.Thorny 2020-03-08 12:48:48
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wonder why they had to change the debate format, it couldn't possibly be because they're afraid to put old joe up to scrutiny right
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By Bahamut.Dannyl 2020-03-08 17:11:26
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-03-09 14:29:07
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The DNC and CNN have colluded to ensure that the next debate is suited to Biden‘s capabilities. Old Man Joe needs to sit and Bernie objects, but meh. The DNC has chosen its horse and doesn’t care what Sanders thinks.
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By fonewear 2020-03-09 18:55:49
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Joe "Stuttering ***" Biden.
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By fonewear 2020-03-09 19:48:21
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Joe "Stuttering ***" Biden.
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By fonewear 2020-03-09 19:49:00
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This is what I find very weird about American politics, you are forcing a 2 party political system by having elections to elect the nominee of each party.

Why wouldn't a party select their own leader? It just makes sense for a party to want to control their message. If anyone else wants to run, they can just create their own party.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-03-09 22:14:58
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
This is what I find very weird about American politics, you are forcing a 2 party political system by having elections to elect the nominee of each party.

Why wouldn't a party select their own leader? It just makes sense for a party to want to control their message. If anyone else wants to run, they can just create their own party.

Umm... the parties do select their own leaders. What exactly do you think the primaries are?

There is no law stoppung anyone, who meets the Constitutional requirements, from running for the Presidency. The Executive branch is separate and distinct from the Legislative, meaning Congress doesn't get a say in who the President is.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-03-09 23:43:50
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This is what I find very weird about American politics, you are forcing a 2 party political system by having elections to elect the nominee of each party.

Why wouldn't a party select their own leader? It just makes sense for a party to want to control their message. If anyone else wants to run, they can just create their own party.

So, we had a Brit complaining that we aren't democratic enough, and now we have a Canadian complaining that we are too democratic. WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE WANT FROM US?!?
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By Shiva.Thorny 2020-03-10 17:03:52
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Putting it this way it does sound funny, bot a complaint, but I do believe you guys have too many elections stretched over too much time.

But, if we didn't, the news cycle might have to entertain real problems in the country.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-03-10 17:40:41
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This is what I find very weird about American politics, you are forcing a 2 party political system by having elections to elect the nominee of each party.

Why wouldn't a party select their own leader? It just makes sense for a party to want to control their message. If anyone else wants to run, they can just create their own party.

So, we had a Brit complaining that we aren't democratic enough, and now we have a Canadian complaining that we are too democratic. WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE WANT FROM US?!?

Putting it this way it does sound funny, bot a complaint, but I do believe you guys have too many elections stretched over too much time.

Maybe, but it does give candidates plenty of time to destroy each other (and/or go completely senile).
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