To be fair killing T3s in Zitah isn't a terrible way to farm beads and can be faster than simply doing dragon rotation so at least you can double dip for that.
Like you still need 250M limit points to get to 25k potpourri. That would take about as long as going from ML0 to ML42ish. But like Nynja said people are gonna be doing that anyways so grabbing the buff before you go out has such a minimal opportunity cost that you might as well.
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
What if I told you you can work towards those 25k merit points WHILE you are CP/EPing...something you're going to do anyways? Then when the time comes that you need a pulse weapon, oh hey, thanks Emporox. Thats "a matter of hours" that you can spend getting more CP/EP (or whatever) instead of wasting time farming a pulse weapon in escha.
I will tell you that it will take you weeks/months to finish a weapon, because it will. I will also tell you that you'll master all your jobs before you collect all the weapons, because you will. Take as much time as you need, but farming the content that these items and materials come from is more efficient regardless of your choice.
Seun said: »
I will also tell you that you'll master all your jobs before you collect all the weapons, because you will.
2-You can only make 3 weapons per month, and there are only 14 weapons, and some of them are really just NOT good. Are you really in a rush to get that Xoanon or Hachimonji for example?
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OK so we are arguing about minimum time to get an item vs minimum amount of time spent to get the item
With potpourri buff you might spend 5 minutes total repeatedly getting the buff but it may be weeks before you get the pulse weapon unless you are going hardcore on master levels.
Now if you are racing you can almost certainly get the pulse weapon faster with dedicated farming but you will spend far more time dedicated to the pulse weapon as opposed to just doing whatever activities you were already doing but with an extra buff.
Dedicated farming I think makes the most sense early on to help get first few jobs going with naegling or shining one etc. but I wouldn't even consider it after that.
With potpourri buff you might spend 5 minutes total repeatedly getting the buff but it may be weeks before you get the pulse weapon unless you are going hardcore on master levels.
Now if you are racing you can almost certainly get the pulse weapon faster with dedicated farming but you will spend far more time dedicated to the pulse weapon as opposed to just doing whatever activities you were already doing but with an extra buff.
Dedicated farming I think makes the most sense early on to help get first few jobs going with naegling or shining one etc. but I wouldn't even consider it after that.
Just a 2cents point for those who it applies to.
It is by far the fastest/easiest to simply make 10m and buy one from a trove farmer. Hell you can even sell them your 3 free orbs for the month and get it for 1-2m.
potpourri is just a thing you (should always) have running in the background so it's ready when you need it/if you want it. You should never be grinding it specifically.
It is by far the fastest/easiest to simply make 10m and buy one from a trove farmer. Hell you can even sell them your 3 free orbs for the month and get it for 1-2m.
potpourri is just a thing you (should always) have running in the background so it's ready when you need it/if you want it. You should never be grinding it specifically.
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Are you really in a rush to get that Xoanon
Isn't this staff the best for MNK Cataclysm?
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Bismarck.Firedemon said: »
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Are you really in a rush to get that Xoanon or Hachimonji for example?
Isn't this staff the best for MNK Cataclysm?
Would that also make it the best option for Shell Crusher? If you didn't have that option wouldn't you want that NIN with Hachimonji for Tachi: Ageha? Should we expect the guy named after the job to know that?
potpourri and whatever that goblin sell in escha is dumb. cost me too much time/energy to go see him and buy a ring to see any benefits that cant be achieved otherwise. Sure if I religiously applied the buff it would pay out with like a 20mil item perhaps over 6 months. Its just not worth the effort. Devs could make it more relevant, but its not atm.
Oh, not to mention you have to pay! him in currencies to access items, and the currencies aren't that easy to accumulate, screw that.
Oh, not to mention you have to pay! him in currencies to access items, and the currencies aren't that easy to accumulate, screw that.
effort to zone in and speak to a gob is tough.
Do you have people merc checking your dbox for you?
Do you have people merc checking your dbox for you?
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Hopalong said: »
20mil item perhaps over 6 months.
I made ~30k poutpourri just within the exp/cp campaign window last month.
Hopalong said: »
Oh, not to mention you have to pay! him in currencies to access items, and the currencies aren't that easy to accumulate, screw that.
At the end of the day, my previous point stands: you're gonna grind out mastering jobs and you're gonna grind those master levels out.
Also, what content is there where MNK absolutely needs "best cataclysm weapon" ASAP? Legit curious.
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Seun said: »
300M limit points during campaign with Corsair roll is like 20000 Apexs or less. With 21 days campaign, that would be like 950 Apex per day. Its like 3-4 hours in good single killing pt or probably half of that or less in AoE party.
SimonSes said: »
300M limit points during campaign with Corsair roll is like 20000 Apexs or less. With 21 days campaign, that would be like 950 Apex per day. Its like 3-4 hours in good single killing pt or probably half of that or less in AoE party.
20 days. Technically less because it started at midnight NA and ended midnight JP, but 20 is round enough.
Assuming I started from scratch, how many jobs would I have mastered by the end of this campaign if I kept that pace?
Depends on if a bot was running 24 hours or just 3-4 per day
Fenrir.Richybear said: »
Depends on if a bot was running 24 hours or just 3-4 per day
I'll rephrase. If you farmed Apex mobs until you reached 300M limit points, you'd reach some number of capacity points. Assuming you were mastering jobs as you were earning the 300M experience, how many would you end with roughly?
I average 3meripo per JP so 30k?
I work, sleep, and don't bot. I helped put on an event in town. I cook. I mean the list goes on. Sortie is almost the only thing I do through the work week. I'm barely making a couple to four solid xp groups a week. I have the whole week off next week, so I might make that last push to M50.
Just today in 1hr & 15mins we made 380k exemplar points - this same kind of grouping would make a killing in poutpourri when the campaign was up. I preemptively killed bots before making the group. Meanwhile, a lot of y'all just stand around in town crying around about how hard exemplar points are or questioning the reality of what's posted to the forum.
Just today in 1hr & 15mins we made 380k exemplar points - this same kind of grouping would make a killing in poutpourri when the campaign was up. I preemptively killed bots before making the group. Meanwhile, a lot of y'all just stand around in town crying around about how hard exemplar points are or questioning the reality of what's posted to the forum.
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Just today in 1hr & 15mins we made 380k exemplar points
380k exemplar per hour is on the high end of what people are going to get, and for most people to achieve that they'd have to form a group with friends. That takes time to coordinate a session, and even then it takes about 25.5 million exemplar to reach R50, so at that rate you're still looking at 72+ hours or 3 straight days nonstop to hit 50. That can be accomplished in a matter of days if people are using bots, but without them it takes a large amount of effort, and you have to do that for each and every job. Finding and coordinating those groups (without botting) requires setup time too, so it's a lot more than "just" the 72 hours grinding mobs.
Add to this the fact that those exemplar rates only come in when you have bard, geo, cor trio, and once your friends max out their cor and bard or w/e they won't have any reason to exemplar farm again on that same job, you see why getting R50 on multiple jobs the traditional way is such a time sink. There's a valid reason for people to complain about the current system. Going from 40 to 50 without botting is pretty rough on one job, but to do it on many jobs... especially dd jobs once you've run out of friends who can come support for you, is asking more than the average player is going to be able to muster.
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Asura.Melliny said: »
and for most people to achieve that they'd have to form a group with friends.
It's all straight pug. All the groups I've done are pug.
What camps are you going to if I may ask. What's the best camp to even farm in a group nowadays? Is it still nest, or somewhere else?
Wherever the least bots are at the time you go. Best camp rotates on that rule.
Holy ***a Fujito post.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight "Sure you will" *wink*
So there you go, from the horse'smouth ***, like I've told you for 10 years, they don't play and they don't test a damn thing, because they literally don't know how.
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▼ Why did you fix it? First of all, regarding "Odyssey Sheolger", due to the nature of the content where the jobs that can be used are restricted, the behavior of all WS resistance, which greatly limits the use of jobs that mainly damage WS, is also intended as a development. was outside. Therefore, we determined that an immediate correction was necessary, and implemented it. Also, in "Sorty", the implementation is still in the plan. Proceeding with the setting with the WS resistance applied as it is may lead to a considerably severe difficulty level, and we have decided that it is not appropriate to continue to apply the specification as it is.
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Asura.Melliny said: »
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Just today in 1hr & 15mins we made 380k exemplar points
380k exemplar per hour is on the high end of what people are going to get, and for most people to achieve that they'd have to form a group with friends. That takes time to coordinate a session, and even then it takes about 25.5 million exemplar to reach R50, so at that rate you're still looking at 72+ hours or 3 straight days nonstop to hit 50. That can be accomplished in a matter of days if people are using bots, but without them it takes a large amount of effort, and you have to do that for each and every job. Finding and coordinating those groups (without botting) requires setup time too, so it's a lot more than "just" the 72 hours grinding mobs.
Add to this the fact that those exemplar rates only come in when you have bard, geo, cor trio, and once your friends max out their cor and bard or w/e they won't have any reason to exemplar farm again on that same job, you see why getting R50 on multiple jobs the traditional way is such a time sink. There's a valid reason for people to complain about the current system. Going from 40 to 50 without botting is pretty rough on one job, but to do it on many jobs... especially dd jobs once you've run out of friends who can come support for you, is asking more than the average player is going to be able to muster.
Most who are doing it are using alts for the BRD and GEO slots, maybe for the healer depending if people need it or not. 40-45 is bad. 45-50 is brutal, like crimes against humanity brutal.
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