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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2016-12-29 17:58:23
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Also have you tried looking on snopes?
Haven't you heard? Snopes is now part of the liberal agenda with a fact checking bias. Conservapedia is where you can find the real truth nowadays.
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By fonewear 2016-12-29 18:59:50
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Phoenix.Xantavia said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Also have you tried looking on snopes?
Haven't you heard? Snopes is now part of the liberal agenda with a fact checking bias. Conservapedia is where you can find the real truth nowadays.

Snopes what is that like Snoopy's detective agency ?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-29 19:43:18
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Viciouss said: »
This is one of those situations where people like KN think they are entitled to see proof of a CIA investigation because they are Americans and they have rights and whatever. Because so many CIA investigations are released to the public.

The CIA and FBI shared the results of their investigations with the President and WH, with Congress, with the President-elect (if he decided to pay attention) and thats the list. If you don't have security clearance you don't get to see it. Its why Snowden is a traitor, you don't share information with the entire world.
You kindof want to have evidence presented to the public if you are going to do something that may lead to a world war.

I wouldn't be surprised if King Obama declares war on Russia before Saturday night, just because he has to do something. Like how Russia crossed that red line in the sand....

But hey, anything that your lord and savior Obama does is ok with you, right?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-12-29 19:43:51
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This is the guy who broke the Trump charity stories and the pussy tape. He is one of the few doing real journalism.

Recommended reading even if you are a Trump fan.

David Fahrenthold tells the behind-the-scenes story of his year covering Trump
WaPo
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-29 19:45:36
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They promised retaliation for all of the sanctions that Obama hit them with over the last two years. Can you summarize what they did? It won't take very long.

We don't care if Russia is angry at us.
Well, according to you and the only agent from the CIA, Russia apparently stole what is essentially Obama's third term and legacy away from him.

So, either Russia is irrelevant or Russia is relevant. Make up your god damn mind for once in your life!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-29 19:48:14
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
This is the guy who broke the Trump charity stories and the pussy tape. He is one of the few doing real journalism.

Recommended reading even if you are a Trump fan.

David Fahrenthold tells the behind-the-scenes story of his year covering Trump
WaPo
Real journalism isn't making the ***he did though. Real journalism isn't also being so blatantly biased towards one candidate that you have to try so hard to find any little thing about one person while completely ignoring the other's dirty laundry, like he and his ilk have done all of 2016.
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By Viciouss 2016-12-29 20:10:04
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Viciouss said: »
This is one of those situations where people like KN think they are entitled to see proof of a CIA investigation because they are Americans and they have rights and whatever. Because so many CIA investigations are released to the public.

The CIA and FBI shared the results of their investigations with the President and WH, with Congress, with the President-elect (if he decided to pay attention) and thats the list. If you don't have security clearance you don't get to see it. Its why Snowden is a traitor, you don't share information with the entire world.
You kindof want to have evidence presented to the public if you are going to do something that may lead to a world war.

I wouldn't be surprised if King Obama declares war on Russia before Saturday night, just because he has to do something. Like how Russia crossed that red line in the sand....

But hey, anything that your lord and savior Obama does is ok with you, right?

Is this a serious post? Did you give your account to Altima because that is the intelligence level your posts are at right now. There is no repeat no danger of a war with Russia. And you still will not be receiving a CIA briefing. Nice fearmongering tho.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-29 20:12:24
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Yup, figured you had nothing to say.

Go back to your little echo chamber and keep in that fetal position for the next 4 years. See you when you grow a pair.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-29 20:14:52
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Also: calling it now, Vic's next retort will be something along the lines of "Thanks for the laugh" or some other meaningless weak retort.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-12-29 20:31:05
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
This is the guy who broke the Trump charity stories and the pussy tape. He is one of the few doing real journalism.

Recommended reading even if you are a Trump fan.

David Fahrenthold tells the behind-the-scenes story of his year covering Trump
WaPo
Real journalism isn't making the ***he did though. Real journalism isn't also being so blatantly biased towards one candidate that you have to try so hard to find any little thing about one person while completely ignoring the other's dirty laundry, like he and his ilk have done all of 2016.
Real journalism is digging out facts. His beat was Trump, not Hillary. And funny, Hillary's dirty laundry was all over the media anywhere you looked.
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By Viciouss 2016-12-29 20:43:05
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Funny how I have nothing to say and yet KN has not said anything in any of his posts on this topic. It's understandable he has never known anything on this topic. But troll on. This is a bipartisan issue, every Republican in Congress supports sanctions, but KN doesn't because reasons he can't actually back up. We even have republicans calling for more sanctions, that Obama hasn't done enough. But KN doesn't think so, he thinks Obama is being "bitchy." Trolls will troll and liars will lie.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-12-29 20:51:42
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Heck Vic, there are democrats in congress who say the sanctions aren't tough enough.

The lefty press is praising them as harsh though.

Garuda.Chanti said: »
Obama slapped russia firmly on the wrist!
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-12-29 20:53:13
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US releases detailed look at Russia’s election hacking
Tami Abdollah, Associated Press

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. on Thursday released its most detailed report yet on Russia’s efforts to interfere in the U.S. presidential election by hacking American political sites and email accounts.

The 13-page joint analysis by the Homeland Security Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation was first such report ever to attribute malicious cyber activity to a particular country or actors.

It was also the first time the U.S. has officially and specifically tied intrusions into the Democratic National Committee to hackers with the Russian civilian and military intelligence services, the FSB and GRU, expanding on an Oct. 7 accusation by the Obama administration.

The report said the intelligence services were involved in “an ongoing campaign of cyber-enabled operations directed at the U.S. government and its citizens.” It added, “In some cases, (the Russian intelligence services’) actors masqueraded as third parties, hiding behind false online personas designed to cause the victim to misattribute the source of the attack.”

Over the summer stolen emails from Democrats were posted by an online persona known as Guccifer 2.0, believed by U.S. officials to be linked to Russia. Outrage over documents that appeared to show favoritism for Hillary Clinton forced the DNC’s chair, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, to resign.

The U.S. released the report as President Barack Obama sanctioned the GRU and the FSB, the GRU’s leadership and companies which the U.S. said support the GRU.

Thursday’s sanctions were the administration’s first use of a 2015 executive order for combatting cyberattacks against critical infrastructure and commercial espionage. Because election systems aren’t considered critical infrastructure, Obama amended the order Thursday to allow for sanctions on entities “interfering with or undermining election processes or institutions.”

The retaliation against Russia, just weeks before President-elect Donald Trump takes office, culminated months of political handwringing about how and whether to respond to Moscow’s meddling. U.S. intelligence agencies concluded that Russia’s goal was to help Trump win — an assessment Trump has dismissed as ridiculous. Trump said Thursday he would meet with the intelligence community’s leaders next week for an update on the situation.

The report did not go far beyond confirming details already disclosed by cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike, which was hired to investigate the DNC hacks.

It described the intelligence services’ use of “spearphishing” — fake emails intended to trick victims into typing in their user names and passwords. At least one person opened attachments with malicious software. The report noted that actors “likely associated” with Russian intelligence services are continuing to engage in spearphishing campaigns, including one launched just days after the U.S. election.

The DNC was infiltrated by the FSB in summer 2015 and again by the GRU in spring 2016 using spearphishing emails that often appeared to come from legitimate or official organizations, the report said.

Russian officials have denied any involvement in hacking U.S. political sites and emails.

The report provides clues for cybersecurity workers in the private sector to identify compromised systems and prevent more intrusions. The Homeland Security Department said it has already included this information within its own cyber threat information-sharing program, which automatically flags threats in real time for participating companies and agencies.

U.S. officials also provided antivirus vendors with two malicious software samples used by Russian intelligence services.
I want details that were in earlier reports darnit.
 
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-12-30 03:09:58
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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And Russia is already promising retaliation. What an incredible foreign policy leader Mr. Obama is. With Russia and Israel out of the way, we'll see who else he can tick off before he leaves office. I hear he has some paint left for more lines in the sand that he will never enforce, so maybe he can put a few more of those down as part of his legacy.

What is your solution then? Let them mess with your democratic process? Let them do as they wish because you fear retaliations? Is America the new Canada?

For starters, releasing a report about the hacking that isn't a total joke would be nice. Second, pulling this tactic out of their hats when Guccifer and WikiLeaks both deny Russia had any involvement in their DNC revelations, and then failing to show any proof that they were lying is laughable. Third, it seems a bit hypocritical to sanction Russia for, at worst, barely having any impact in our latest election when we've been seriously screwing with elections in other countries for the better part of the last century. Fourth, this doesn't do anything to discourage Russia, it's just a symbolic slap in the face for something the U.S. still hasn't been able to show with any degree of certainty that Russia actually did. That's bad diplomacy at the core.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-12-30 03:35:58
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I'm curious what degree of foreign intelligence you feel you are entitled to. The Grizzly Steppe document King linked and likely didn't read identifies the particular Russian groups involved, their phishing methods, and their signatures.

It's genuinely amazing to see the BSAB argument being used to defend Russia.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-12-30 05:31:03
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Italy just expelled the fattest terrorist ever



I think this guy skipped a few ramadan!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-30 06:10:43
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
I'm curious what degree of foreign intelligence you feel you are entitled to. The Grizzly Steppe document King linked and likely didn't read identifies the particular Russian groups involved, their phishing methods, and their signatures.

It's genuinely amazing to see the BSAB argument being used to defend Russia.
Wait, you mean that the document that describes the possible method but didn't state that the group they accused actually did it?

Right, and who didn't read what again?

You and Vic are trying too hard to justify what Obama is doing, which is basically making foreign relations between 2 superpowers even worse before he leaves, because he didn't get his way.

And you two still wonder why the US is now considered a joke among the international community.

Face it, Obama has once again made himself look worse that Bush, of all people.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-12-30 09:59:59
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
I'm curious what degree of foreign intelligence you feel you are entitled to. The Grizzly Steppe document King linked and likely didn't read identifies the particular Russian groups involved, their phishing methods, and their signatures.

It's genuinely amazing to see the BSAB argument being used to defend Russia.
...and intelligence is never politicized for pushing a political narative amiright?

Bush lied people died!
Bush lied people died!
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-12-30 10:01:52
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The real question is IF pleebo is going to extend his benefit of the doubt benevolence toward government agencies and diplomats when the beast is headed by someone he doesn't like.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-12-30 10:05:43
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In other news, how far will a lame duck petulantly set the world on fire just to ensure his position at the bottom of the "presidents ranked by greatness" list?

20 more days (?) cannot come soon enough.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-12-30 10:14:33
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GRIZZLY STEPPE – Russian Malicious Cyber Activity
JOINT ANALYSIS REPORT, NCCIC & FBI

The whole thing in a PDF so pardon the lame formating which I amn't going to fix. Its more readable in the orignal anyway.

P1 of 13, Summary:
Quote:
This Joint Analysis Report (JAR) is the result of analytic efforts between the Department of
Hom
eland Security (DHS) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). This document
provides technical details regarding the tools and infrastructure used by the Russian civilian and
military intelligence Services (RIS) to compromise and exploit networks and
endpoints
associated with the U.S. election, as well as a range of U.S. G
overnment, political, and private
sector entities.
The U.S. Government is referring to this malicious cyber
activity by RIS as
GRIZZLY STEPPE.
Previous JARs have not attributed malic
ious cyber activity to specific countries or threat actors.
However, public attribution of these activities to RIS is supported by technical indicators from
the U.S. Intelligence Community, DHS, FBI, the private sector, and other entities. This
determination expands upon the Joint Statement
released October 7, 2016, from the Department
of Homeland Security and the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security.
This activity by
RIS is part of an ongoing campaign of cyber
-enabled operations directed at the
U.S. government and its citi
zens
. These cyber operations have included spearphishing campaigns
targeting government organizations, critical infrastructure
entities
, think tanks, universities,
political organizations, and corporations leading to the theft of information. In foreign countries,
RIS actors conducted
damaging and/or disruptive cyber-attacks, including
attacks on critical
infrastructure
networks.
In some cases
, RIS actors masqueraded as third parties, hiding behind
false online personas designed to cause the victim to misat
tribute the source of the attack
. This
JAR provides technical indicators related to many of these operations, recommended mitigations,
suggested actions to take in response to the indicators provided, and information on how to
rep
ort such incidents to the U.S. Government.
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By fonewear 2016-12-30 10:27:42
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
GRIZZLY STEPPE – Russian Malicious Cyber Activity
JOINT ANALYSIS REPORT, NCCIC & FBI

The whole thing in a PDF so pardon the lame formating which I amn't going to fix. Its more readable in the orignal anyway.

P1 of 13, Summary:
Quote:
This Joint Analysis Report (JAR) is the result of analytic efforts between the Department of
Hom
eland Security (DHS) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). This document
provides technical details regarding the tools and infrastructure used by the Russian civilian and
military intelligence Services (RIS) to compromise and exploit networks and
endpoints
associated with the U.S. election, as well as a range of U.S. G
overnment, political, and private
sector entities.
The U.S. Government is referring to this malicious cyber
activity by RIS as
GRIZZLY STEPPE.
Previous JARs have not attributed malic
ious cyber activity to specific countries or threat actors.
However, public attribution of these activities to RIS is supported by technical indicators from
the U.S. Intelligence Community, DHS, FBI, the private sector, and other entities. This
determination expands upon the Joint Statement
released October 7, 2016, from the Department
of Homeland Security and the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security.
This activity by
RIS is part of an ongoing campaign of cyber
-enabled operations directed at the
U.S. government and its citi
zens
. These cyber operations have included spearphishing campaigns
targeting government organizations, critical infrastructure
entities
, think tanks, universities,
political organizations, and corporations leading to the theft of information. In foreign countries,
RIS actors conducted
damaging and/or disruptive cyber-attacks, including
attacks on critical
infrastructure
networks.
In some cases
, RIS actors masqueraded as third parties, hiding behind
false online personas designed to cause the victim to misat
tribute the source of the attack
. This
JAR provides technical indicators related to many of these operations, recommended mitigations,
suggested actions to take in response to the indicators provided, and information on how to
rep
ort such incidents to the U.S. Government.

I was going to read this honestly I was but I saw and ad for hot Asians hovering in the top right hand corner
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By fonewear 2016-12-30 10:28:50
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Maybe if I put up a filter to block all nudity I could learn something about politics.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-12-30 10:34:47
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You're not missing much, Fone. If you're looking for 13 full pages of words that manage to actually say very little, you can read a high schooler's book report instead.
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By fonewear 2016-12-30 10:36:34
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I do appreciate Trump using twitter because my attention span can process 140 characters...anymore and my mind starts to wander.
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By fonewear 2016-12-30 10:37:38
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Now in visual form:

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-30 11:04:01
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It would help a lot if you could format it into a readable form. At least it would make it seem like you are attempting to prove a point:

Garuda.Chanti said: »
GRIZZLY STEPPE – Russian Malicious Cyber Activity
JOINT ANALYSIS REPORT, NCCIC & FBI

The whole thing in a PDF so pardon the lame formating which I amn't going to fix. Its more readable in the orignal anyway.

P1 of 13, Summary:
Quote:
This Joint Analysis Report (JAR) is the result of analytic efforts between the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). This document provides technical details regarding the tools and infrastructure used by the Russian civilian and military intelligence Services (RIS) to compromise and exploit networks and endpoints associated with the U.S. election, as well as a range of U.S. Government, political, and private sector entities.

The U.S. Government is referring to this malicious cyber activity by RIS as GRIZZLY STEPPE. Previous JARs have not attributed malicious cyber activity to specific countries or threat actors.
However, public attribution of these activities to RIS is supported by technical indicators from the U.S. Intelligence Community, DHS, FBI, the private sector, and other entities. This determination expands upon the Joint Statement released October 7, 2016, from the Department of Homeland Security and the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security.

This activity by RIS is part of an ongoing campaign of cyber
-enabled operations directed at the U.S. government and its citi
zens. These cyber operations have included spearphishing campaigns
targeting government organizations, critical infrastructure entities, think tanks, universities, political organizations, and corporations leading to the theft of information.

In foreign countries, RIS actors conducted damaging and/or disruptive cyber-attacks, including attacks on critical infrastructure networks.

In some cases, RIS actors masqueraded as third parties, hiding behind false online personas designed to cause the victim to misat
tribute the source of the attack. This JAR provides technical indicators related to many of these operations, recommended mitigations, suggested actions to take in response to the indicators provided, and information on how to report such incidents to the U.S. Government.
Of course, it still doesn't say anything about any proof that Russia actually did the cyber attacks, specifically towards the DNC/RNC. And if anyone actually read it instead of thinking that "hey, the FBI/DHS made a joint statement, let me assume what it says instead of reading it" like certain posters here do, then they would see that it doesn't tell us anything at all, except that the JAR was made to begin with. It makes a lot of assumptions of what happened, but it doesn't really know.
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By fonewear 2016-12-30 11:17:32
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
This is the guy who broke the Trump charity stories and the pussy tape. He is one of the few doing real journalism.

Recommended reading even if you are a Trump fan.

David Fahrenthold tells the behind-the-scenes story of his year covering Trump
WaPo
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