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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-17 11:15:47
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Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Tell that to Lincoln!

Little known fact about Lincoln's assassination.

The phrase was not merely "sic semper tyrannis," the full statement of the assassin was "sic semper tyrannis de petasi!"
Also, Booth apparently didn't hurt his leg in the jump, he hurt it when his horse fell on him during the escape.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-08-17 11:26:50
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Tell that to Lincoln!

Little known fact about Lincoln's assassination.

The phrase was not merely "sic semper tyrannis," the full statement of the assassin was "sic semper tyrannis de petasi!"
Also, Booth apparently didn't hurt his leg in the jump, he hurt it when his horse fell on him during the escape.

it quit bothering him a couple weeks later
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By Grumpy Cat 2016-08-17 11:28:10
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Tell that to Lincoln!

Little known fact about Lincoln's assassination.

The phrase was not merely "sic semper tyrannis," the full statement of the assassin was "sic semper tyrannis de petasi!"
Also, Booth apparently didn't hurt his leg in the jump, he hurt it when his horse fell on him during the escape.

Of course he wasn't hurt during the jump itself, there was a cart of hay down there.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-08-17 13:10:35
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St. Nicholas was de canonized as being a myth.

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by whom and when? he's still a saint / still has a feast day in eastern orthodoxy

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c'mon old lady! quit leaving me hanging!
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-17 13:21:31
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
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St. Nicholas was de canonized as being a myth.

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by whom and when? he's still a saint / still has a feast day in eastern orthodoxy

/waits impatiently for nap time to be over

c'mon old lady! quit leaving me hanging!

Well if you would have just taken your nap first too you wouldn't be in such a hurry for her to answer so you can get to yours!
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2016-08-17 13:41:41
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Not giving equal rights is discrimination. It as simple as that, your christian values doesn't give you the right to discriminate against other people.
And what about Christians?

Last I saw, there are more Christians than gay people.

Should we infringe and discriminate against a majority to satisfy a minority?
No, the gays should clearly run away.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-08-17 14:10:58
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
St. Nicholas was de canonized as being a myth.

citation needed.jpg

by whom and when? he's still a saint / still has a feast day in eastern orthodoxy

/waits impatiently for nap time to be over

c'mon old lady! quit leaving me hanging!
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-17 14:13:22
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
St. Nicholas was de canonized as being a myth.

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by whom and when? he's still a saint / still has a feast day in eastern orthodoxy

/waits impatiently for nap time to be over

c'mon old lady! quit leaving me hanging!
Fishing in XIV, you will have to wait.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-08-17 14:29:01
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
St. Nicholas was de canonized as being a myth.
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by whom and when? he's still a saint / still has a feast day in eastern orthodoxy
/waits impatiently for nap time to be over

c'mon old lady! quit leaving me hanging!
I had thought he was among those decanonized in the saint's purge of 1969. The bolded part was probably what confused me.

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The 1969 Roman Catholic calendar revision did not remove Nicholas when forty saints were taken off. Commemoration of ninety other saints, including Nicholas, was made optional. This means celebration of their feast days is not required for faithful Roman Catholics. Nicholas, with all the saints in this group, is still recognized as a real saint in the Roman Catholic Church. It was even stressed that there is no doubt regarding Nicholas' authenticity.
From the St. Nicholas Center.

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By maldini 2016-08-17 14:34:12
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Ramyrez said: »
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Because Egypt, Tunisia, Syria etc has all been theocracies, with excellent human rights record.

Are you being serious right now?
Its pretty obvious to me that he was taking the piss and being sarcastic - since all those regimes were secular and in his previous sentence he was highlighting how everything in the middle east is blamed on religion.
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-17 14:38:17
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maldini said: »
Ramyrez said: »
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Because Egypt, Tunisia, Syria etc has all been theocracies, with excellent human rights record.

Are you being serious right now?
Its pretty obvious to me that he was taking the piss and being sarcastic - since all those regimes were secular and in his previous sentence he was highlighting how everything in the middle east is blamed on religion.

Sorry, I guess I should have stipulated I wasn't necessarily being sarcastic myself. I was having a hard time figuring out if he was, because it's the internet and I've learned not to assume.

Anyhow. Religion itself has never been the problem because it's just a bunch of ideas about how to act and behave and which earthly men to give your money and devotion pretending they're some sort of earthly representative of your god(s).

The problem is religious people going to extremes against people who don't agree with them. Which is hardly exclusive to religious cults, but not being exclusive to something doesn't mean that something isn't still a major problem.

But again, this speaks to my bigger problem with religion in general, not just the Islamic faith and not just in the Middle East.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2016-08-17 14:50:27
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I agree that people have the right to live according to whatever crazy rules they feel like making up for themselves. If they want to be level five vegans and not eat anything that casts a shadow.. that's great.

However. The moment they try to force anyone else to live under the same rules is where we run into problems.

As an example, even now in 2016 we have idiots that refuse medical care for their own dying children because of their "religious" beliefs.

We have people that believe they should be allowed to let their children dance around with poisonous snakes and drink diluted poisons to prove their faith in god.

Once you create an exemption for idiotic behavior humans will almost instinctively race to test the very limits of idiocy.
This whole post becomes irrelevant to mine once you pay attention to the fact that I said "reasonably". All the examples you listed are unreasonable.
Ignoring how you readily displayed a form of "begging the question" fallacy (in your follow-up to Ravael too), how do you propose we deal with the bolded? You simply force them to live by your rules, because your rules are right (ergo "the reasonable ones"). How do you establish they're right? Through discourse. Eventually, some PoV will prevail and the other won't.


Ramyrez said: »

Are you being serious right now?
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Going to call BS on this one.
This:
Ragnarok.Zeig said: »
Because Egypt, Tunisia, Syria etc has all been theocracies, with excellent human rights record.
Or because it's the Muslim military generals who instigate coups and murder elected presidents whenever they dislike him in Turkey.
Maybe it's because no Muslim country has flourished in 14 centuries.
was me being sarcastic. You could infer that from the preceding and succeeding statements. I worded the first statement terribly, but the point was that: Asad, Mubarak, Sisi, and Ben Ali did not lead Middle Eastern theocracies in their respective countries, but theirs had had extremely terrible human rights records regardless. ME politics are more complex than just blaming most or all their problems on religion (and claiming that they're better off without it).


Garuda.Chanti said: »
Wrong. Theocracies are not just rule by the divinely appointed. Israel is a parliamentary democratic theocracy. Saudi Arabia is a hereditary, none divine, monarchy that is also a theocracy. Japan is a constitutional, divinely ruled, monarchy that is not a theocracy.
Despite the negative connotations associated with the word "theocracy", I will accept, for the sake of argument, your stance that having divine law as the source of legislation makes any form of governance "theocratic" (which will amusingly put most Muslim countries under this category).

If I go by your definition, then the point Ravael raised when he said:
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In many cases the only difference between religion and philosophy is the word "God"....If all of my values come from religious thought, and all of your values come from some the teachings of some secular sociopath, why is it that the latter should be treated with more respect in lawmaking?
becomes relevant here (not presuming I know your stance on any of this).

The point that matters is that there's no religious body controlling government, or a governor with absolute divine authority over people. Read about the concept of "shura", governance and theocracy in Islam to understand what difference that makes compared to the old Christian theocracies of the middle ages.
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2016-08-17 15:23:02
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Ragnarok.Zeig said: »
ME politics are more complex than just blaming most or all their problems on religion (and claiming that they're better off without it).
This is one of the most accurate and relevant statements I've seen someone make regarding the Middle East.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-08-17 19:13:27
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Seoul (CNN)A senior North Korean diplomat, along with his wife and children, has safely defected to South Korea, making it the highest-level diplomatic defection from North to South Korea in history.
Thae Yong Ho, the deputy ambassador of the North Korean embassy in the UK, is under government protection, Jeong Joo-hee, a spokesman for the South Korean Unification Ministry, told reporters Wednesday.

Thae defected because "he was tired of Kim Jong Un's regime. He respects the democratic system of South Korea and for the sake of the future of his family, he defected," Jeong told reporters.

The Embassy of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, or DPRK, was not immediately available for comment.
The UK Foreign Office told CNN it will not be commenting on Thae's defection.

Thae is listed as the second-highest official after the ambassador in a diplomatic list published by the UK Foreign Office.
Thae and his family are now safely in Soputh Korea, Jeong said, but he did not elaborate on how or when the defection took place.
"They are currently under the government's protection and are going through necessary procedures conducted by relevant agencies, which are standard procedures," Jeong said.

Defections from North Korea are not uncommon. The impoverished country is known for its harsh demands of loyalty to the regime and almost complete isolation from the rest of the world.
And Pyongyang's relentless pursuit of nuclear weapons has put it at odds with the international community.
The most senior diplomat to flee the regime was a former DPRK ambassador to Egypt who defected to the United States in 1997. And the highest defection to date was Hwang Jang Yob, who fled to South Korea after holding high-profile positions in the North Korea's Worker Party. He was credited with developing the North Korean ideology of "juche," or "self-reliance."

According to the South Korean Unification Ministry website, 749 people defected from the North to the democratic South in the first six months of 2016.
In April, most of the serving staff of a North Korean restaurant in Ningbo, China, defected en masse to South Korea.
A spokesman for the North Korean Red Cross called that defection a "group abduction" of DPRK employees "in broad daylight," according to DPRK state media.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-08-17 22:03:23
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Ragnarok.Zeig said: »
how do you propose we deal with the bolded? You simply force them to live by your rules

Human sterility by enhancing the zika virus or some sort of chemical that dissolves in water. ....

It's a WIP
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-08-17 23:23:30
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ME politics are more complex than just blaming most or all their problems on religion (and claiming that they're better off without it).
This is one of the most accurate and relevant statements I've seen someone make regarding the Middle East.

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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-08-18 10:55:24
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I am not ofetn wrong.

but thank altana there is some jerk on the internet just waiting for you to make a mistake!

I am that jerk!

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By Ramyrez 2016-08-18 11:08:09
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
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how do you propose we deal with the bolded? You simply force them to live by your rules

Human sterility by enhancing the zika virus or some sort of chemical that dissolves in water. ....

It's a WIP

Make room for the lizards!
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-08-18 11:48:55
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Ramyrez said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
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how do you propose we deal with the bolded? You simply force them to live by your rules

Human sterility by enhancing the zika virus or some sort of chemical that dissolves in water. ....

It's a WIP

Make room for the lizards!

I couldn't care less about the lizards... I just want to see the panic and fear in everyone's faces when they realize what has happened.

Now I just need to somehow cross zika with the flu to get it airborne and make it stronger.

<insert lab beaker bubbling sounds here>
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-08-18 12:36:38
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Interesting interview. Most of us can agree with what Taibbi is saying even though it was published by Slate.

Has Donald Trump Ruined Journalism?
Matt Taibbi says most political media is shilling for one side or the other.


I think it was the corporate decision that news had to be a part of the profit picture. And that can't be blamed on Trump.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-18 12:43:22
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Interesting interview. Most of us can agree with what Taibbi is saying even though it was published by Slate.

Has Donald Trump Ruined Journalism?
Matt Taibbi says most political media is shilling for one side or the other.


I think it was the corporate decision that news had to be a part of the profit picture. And that can't be blamed on Trump.
Journalism has been screwed up for a long time for a lot of different subjects, not really Trump's fault.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-18 15:36:49
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Here's something I think of quite a bit during elections. Maybe I'm just cynical but let's talk about voter stories and on-screen rally participants.

For starters, the voter stories; one candidate may say that a voter or rally participant has confided something, often with "tears in their eyes" to the candidate who is basically a complete stranger.

My question is are any of these actually true? Why would a person confide such information such as financial issues to a stranger? How would they do this? Candidates are guarded and don't entertain the average Joe or Jane. When do they tell the candidate these things? Candidates are busy and on the move, they don't have time for this.

The way it sounds when a candidate tells these stories is that they sat down with an individual for a lengthy heart to heart. This just doesn't happen. So, these stories are either heavily stretched or completely made up by speech writers. Which is it?

Secondly, have you ever noticed that some rally participants on-screen behind the candidate seem to act unlike the everyday audience? People clap, hoot, whistle, and hold up signs when they hear something they like. But all too often I see people on-screen who act with somewhat unnatural body language. They do as I mentioned above but in addition they also nod with an assured look on their face, perhaps they may nod to or in unison with the person beside them. Some of them are conveniently wearing work clothing, not just work clothing but clean, presentable work clothing. No grease or oil on that Cintas work shirt with a name embroidered on it, no smudges or dust on that conveniently placed miner's shirt.

So, I'm supposed to believe a person either took their lunch break to attend a rally but didn't do any work up until lunch or they took off work to attend the rally but still wore work clothes? Are these people plants?

This stuff is about as convincing as infomercial acting to me. >.>
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-08-18 16:01:05
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You'd be surprised how much personal info some people are willing to dump on a complete stranger. The campaign is probably actively screening for those sob stories so it doesn't seem too farfetched to me that candidates make time for the especially sound byte worthy ones.

I think plants are probably a given but some people really really get into this ***and watch it with the same enthusiasm and attention as a random sportsball game. Most people are weirdos. Much easier to rationalize things when you accept that lol.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-18 16:04:04
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You'd be surprised how much personal info some people are willing to dump on a complete stranger. The campaign is probably actively screening for those sob stories so it doesn't seem too farfetched to me that candidates make time for the especially sound byte worthy ones.

I think plants are probably a given but some people really really get into this ***and watch it with the same enthusiasm and attention as a random sportsball game. Most people are weirdos. Much easier to rationalize things when you accept that lol.
Hard for me to imagine. I don't get very excited about much of anything. I could win the lottery and I'd start worrying about how to manage the money.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-18 16:10:48
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Why is it that evangelists say they are "doing the Lord's work" but the second you do something with stem cells or something, you're "playing God"?

Aren't there a bunch of stories about Jesus healing the sick? Why aren't scientists "doing the Lord's work" too?
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By fonewear 2016-08-18 18:07:22
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Why is it that evangelists say they are "doing the Lord's work" but the second you do something with stem cells or something, you're "playing God"?

Aren't there a bunch of stories about Jesus healing the sick? Why aren't scientists "doing the Lord's work" too?

Because scientists are jerks. Look at Bill Nye for example.
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By fonewear 2016-08-18 18:12:42
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You can believe whatever you want to believe religion or no religion. But Science acts like it is holier than religion. That is why scientist always seem off putting to me.
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By fonewear 2016-08-18 18:14:31
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Also who needs some dork in a robe telling you about electrons and neutrons. That ***is for the birds !
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