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By Odin.Horu 2017-04-26 08:02:37
BRD 101 - Does NOT stack with Soulvoice my bad, but still 100% bonus
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2017-04-26 08:03:31
What delay would allow Conduit to still be a great burst move but not allow 2-3 SMN to kill everything? 5s? 8s? 10s?
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By Odin.Horu 2017-04-26 08:14:23
Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »What delay would allow Conduit to still be a great burst move but not allow 2-3 SMN to kill everything? 5s? 8s? 10s? now your being unrealistic with 2-3 smns, you got a minimum of 3-6 seconds between BP (Depending on server/computer responce) and majority of mobs after T2 have a over the top ton of HP, takes a few waves of astrals to take down anything with only 2-3 smn's (Guess what, you gotta head back to reset your 2hr, there goes 10-20min depending on how many people you have) its only pimped against single mobs, other wise it takes as long as anything else since everything else doesn't have to reset their timers.
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By Fenrir.Cherrywine 2017-04-26 08:19:54
Now you are thinking in terms of how Odin was suppose to behave... A set % of mob HP, but capped at 99,999 so other moves have out-paced it.
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By Ragnarok.Inx 2017-04-26 08:40:10
Damn, so many arcane approaches when what SE will most likely do is exactly what they did with SAM and DNC and set a fixed cap on the number of BP's executable during the SP.
Quick and dirty.
Being real though, that OF post was pretty hysterical. Although they outdo themselves with this pearl of wisdom later on:
"Let's be honest, no one that plays SMN is good enough to use an Aeonic. That's why they have to play SMN"
/facepalm
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By Fenrir.Cherrywine 2017-04-26 08:43:04
The inexplicable hatred of pet jobs is real, man.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-04-26 08:45:50
Well, to be fair, all things considered, it's not like a damage penalty during AC (as long as it's reasonable) would prevent smns to DD in a non-smnburn setting. Even if it's a severe one, like a -20%, i could see how a group could still benefit from a well timed AC bp spam. Good SMNs will keep playing their job and pushing it to the limits, regardless.
Well an absolute damage penalty won't change the situation, just require the SMN's be "better geared". A stacking penalty would be better, similar to what BLM's get when they MB. First BP is at 100% damage, second BP is at 100% damage, third BP is 80%, fourth is 60%, sixth is 40% and so on. The resistance resets after 4~5 seconds of no BP damage happening. Thus a single SMN hitting AC and going to town won't be effected much but multiple SMN's poping AC and trying to slam dunk a boss would be stopped in their tracks.
And folks, Chriscoffey is trolling all of you. Don't feed the trolls.
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By Sylph.Cherche 2017-04-26 08:53:43
Fenrir.Cherrywine said: »The inexplicable hatred of pet jobs is real, man. Low risk/high success strategies that have reaching effects on the games meta. Resulting in the invalidation of most of the jobs in the game.
Inexplicable.
Yup.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2017-04-26 08:54:03
Fenrir.Cherrywine said: »The inexplicable hatred of pet jobs is real, man.
I don't see anyone complaining about BST's and PUP's that, from what videos I have seen, are plenty capable of clearing aeonic mobs. They don't have forum posts killing things in 60s though, it's actually a fight, and you have to deal with the mechanics of the fight in some manner.
Anytime any job gets too powerful, they should get toned down. Thief Rudra's, BST, BLU, BLM, SMN, etc. all deserve(d) nerfs when they had their moment.
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By Asura.Xijaah 2017-04-26 08:54:39
Well, to be fair, all things considered, it's not like a damage penalty during AC (as long as it's reasonable) would prevent smns to DD in a non-smnburn setting. Even if it's a severe one, like a -20%, i could see how a group could still benefit from a well timed AC bp spam. Good SMNs will keep playing their job and pushing it to the limits, regardless.
Well an absolute damage penalty won't change the situation, just require the SMN's be "better geared". A stacking penalty would be better, similar to what BLM's get when they MB. First BP is at 100% damage, second BP is at 100% damage, third BP is 80%, fourth is 60%, sixth is 40% and so on. The resistance resets after 4~5 seconds of no BP damage happening. Thus a single SMN hitting AC and going to town won't be effected much but multiple SMN's poping AC and trying to slam dunk a boss would be stopped in their tracks.
On the 8th bp, if you don't stop, your hands fall off and you can never play videogames anymore. I like it.
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By Ragnarok.Inx 2017-04-26 08:58:39
Fenrir.Cherrywine said: »The inexplicable hatred of pet jobs is real, man.
Yep. This is literally the only possible reason, particularly when we get supposedly "top-tier" players massively overstating and exaggerating what is going on in order to drive their narrative.
For example, here's a classic bit of "alternative fact" generation by LadyOfHonor in the same thread:
"That strategy involves using Astral Conduit, which reduces BP recast to 0. So with these buffs a SMN can do 50k BP's...with no recast. This is a full minute of 50k damage spam, which is what Saevel mentioned."
For a start off AC lasts 30 seconds, not a minute. So there's an initial x2 of poetential being claimed. Then there's the 50K BP's thing which is realistically way more than average even with both AF and AM3 up. Hell, look at the numbers on that overplayed SMN zerg video on YT, where the average looks like 25k-ish. So there's yet another doubling of dps going on.
Its outrageously dishonest.
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By Asura.Neufko 2017-04-26 08:58:46
What about not affecting delay but having conduit get a fixed numbers of BP like apogee ?
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By Anna Ruthven 2017-04-26 09:06:13
Stop slap-fighting, ladies.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2017-04-26 09:07:33
Fenrir.Cherrywine said: »The inexplicable hatred of pet jobs is real, man.
Yep. This is literally the only possible reason, particularly when we get supposedly "top-tier" players massively overstating and exaggerating what is going on in order to drive their narrative.
For example, here's a classic bit of "alternative fact" generation by LadyOfHonor in the same thread:
"That strategy involves using Astral Conduit, which reduces BP recast to 0. So with these buffs a SMN can do 50k BP's...with no recast. This is a full minute of 50k damage spam, which is what Saevel mentioned."
For a start off AC lasts 30 seconds, not a minute. So there's an initial x2 of poetential being claimed. Then there's the 50K BP's thing which is realistically way more than average even with both AF and AM3 up. Hell, look at the numbers on that overplayed SMN zerg video on YT, where the average looks like 25k-ish. So there's yet another doubling of dps going on.
Its outrageously dishonest.
Go watch the Kouryu section of the video again, pretty much every Volt Strike is over 50k, including a 54k.
Also, I'm on the server as those people. Deeedo and Nanekochan are FOTM players, they likely had been a SMN for two weeks at this period and were FAR from max capability on the job.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-04-26 09:07:54
Stop slap-fighting, ladies. 
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By Sylph.Cherche 2017-04-26 09:08:43
Hell, look at the numbers on that overplayed SMN zerg video on YT, where the average looks like 25k-ish. So there's yet another doubling of dps going on.
Its outrageously dishonest. And yet in this thread, a 1600 JP SMN with JSE weapon is claiming to drop 25k-40k BPs on WoC.
You're being outrageously dishonest.
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By Fenrir.Cherrywine 2017-04-26 09:15:48
Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »I don't see anyone complaining about BST's
What?
And PUPs are very tanky, but are basically incapable of tanking groups of mobs alone. For NMs that spawn with adds, PUP tanking isn't viable. Although they could hold hate from the SC + MB meta, they can't against DDs for very long/outside of OD.
OD is very strong, but it should be. It is a SP. I'm not sure whether a group of PUPs could WS/SC a high ilvl NM into oblivion during OD. It isn't really something my linkshell is geared to try, similarly with this SMN method, we do it the vanilla ways because they work fine.
There really isn't anything to complain about regarding PUPs... They are too niche to be noticed by the masses. Which is sad to me. Pet jobs should have a way to win every fight other types of jobs can.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-04-26 09:17:07
What about not affecting delay but having conduit get a fixed numbers of BP like apogee ?
Well they may later add gear to extend the duration so don't really want to hamstring it that way. It's kind of a SMN's ultimate "*** MP I'm going to nuke it from orbit" button and we don't want to stop that. What needs to be stopped is multiple SMN's spamming the same BP every 2~3 seconds for obscene damage. It's the same problem we had with BLM's doing a timed nuke volley a long time ago, SE introduced the damage wall to bring that down a bit and it seems applicable here as well.
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By Ragnarok.Inx 2017-04-26 09:19:49
Some stuff is fundamental, and inarguable, like the duration of AC.
You can't talk around that, and I find it difficult to imagine such an easily verifiable fact is being misrepresented accidentally.
By Aeyela 2017-04-26 10:26:02
Fenrir.Cherrywine said: »The inexplicable hatred of PUP is real, man.
Fixed that for you. People had a pretty legit reason for hating BST before it was nerfed. People have a pretty legit reason for hating SMN now. PUP? Well what's PUP ever done to earn the stigma it's always received? Nothing I tells ya! But it's always been "lolpup" to the masses, rightly or wrongly, and I don't think it's ever gotten over that stigma. Just last night there was a "lolpup sucks" exchange in one of my shells.
Complete bollocks if you ask me. I remember watching a Puppet out damage every BLM on Tiamat back in the day and it wasn't a fluke because it happened every spawn.
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By Fenrir.Snaps 2017-04-26 10:32:45
Final Fantasy Crabs in a Bucket
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By Fenrir.Cherrywine 2017-04-26 10:39:45
People hate PUP because it is a pet job. Nothing to fix for me.
Something happens when the DMG being dealt isn't by a player's toon but by a player's toon's toon.
And the SMN strat isn't invalidating any jobs at all.
Just like BST pre-nerf wasn't invalidating any jobs at all.
Most other jobs still perform just fine and can win the same content.
And the jobs that can't clear the content won't suddenly be able to if SMN is nerfed.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2017-04-26 10:41:25
your denial level is over 9000
By clearlyamule 2017-04-26 10:45:56
Fenrir.Cherrywine said: »I'm not sure whether a group of PUPs could WS/SC a high ilvl NM into oblivion during OD. Define high level. Definitely done a bit using that. But like you said multi enemies/adds that spawn with hate on popper are basically non starters.
Interesting note if you put your pet onto the popped nm fast enough I think it's before it really aggros you(which isn't always possible due to the whole claim delay thing) adds will spawn with hate on the pet that first got hate. But yeah it's ridiculous hit or miss
By Aeyela 2017-04-26 10:48:22
Fenrir.Cherrywine said: »People hate PUP because it is a pet job. Nothing to fix for me.
Uh, I think you missed my point. That's exactly what I said.
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By Ragnarok.Phuoc 2017-04-26 10:48:43
Fenrir.Cherrywine said: »The inexplicable hatred of pet jobs is real, man.
Yep. This is literally the only possible reason, particularly when we get supposedly "top-tier" players massively overstating and exaggerating what is going on in order to drive their narrative.
For example, here's a classic bit of "alternative fact" generation by LadyOfHonor in the same thread:
"That strategy involves using Astral Conduit, which reduces BP recast to 0. So with these buffs a SMN can do 50k BP's...with no recast. This is a full minute of 50k damage spam, which is what Saevel mentioned."
For a start off AC lasts 30 seconds, not a minute. So there's an initial x2 of poetential being claimed. Then there's the 50K BP's thing which is realistically way more than average even with both AF and AM3 up. Hell, look at the numbers on that overplayed SMN zerg video on YT, where the average looks like 25k-ish. So there's yet another doubling of dps going on.
Its outrageously dishonest.
Yea i saw the 60 second AC with 2M dmg claim several times already lol and people are mixing omen with aeonics too, 150 content isnt the same as 135 content, you wont see 50k volt strikes on 150 content one after the other, not happening but its very easy on any omen boss just with frailty and beast/companions.
On my last Schah with SMNs, i was doing tops of 42k but that didnt happen every time and that's with everything you would think of so again, people are just claiming things that just dont happen.
But on omen that's another story, of course you can burn a good HP chunk of bosses with AC but if we gonna argue how XX job is OP on 135 content, bad start.
As i said, if a nerf happens i hope it isnt pretty big because i dont think career SMNs deserve it and as other people pointed out, people should focus on their stuff and let others play as they want/can, if SMN looks broken for you then 1 person doing an aeonic with XX accounts is what?
Double standards they call it.
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By Fenrir.Cherrywine 2017-04-26 10:52:02
At clearlyamule: Yeah, we've played with that also.
You can also have a sacrificial toon pop a NM. The adds will usually go after the automaton after the popper has died.
At Comeatmebro: We've been here before, pages back. Are you having to level SMN to clear this 18mo old content? No? Then your strat is still valid with whatever jobs you are using. Nothing has changed, except SMNs have a method to win now also.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2017-04-26 10:57:45
Ok, let's say there was an exploit where you could pull any item in existance out of nowhere(this has happened more than once). It was technical enough and secret enough that the majority of the playerbase did not know it was there until long after it was gone.
Now, during that time, other players could still complete mythics by hand. They could still manually farm any gear. They could do whatever they wanted. Does that mean it should remain as is? It doesn't effect them, so why fix it?
I doubt you can follow after a half dozen pages of your garbage, but I'll repeat it one more time on the off chance it sinks in. The problem isn't a SMN based setup winning. The problem is that the SMN based setup is several orders of magnitude easier in both preparation and execution than any other setup. This is the same problem people had with BST. It's a common problem among pet jobs, because they have the ability to sit outside of all AOEs and a strong enough pet combined with that makes for effortless and thoughtless fights. It's not some vendetta against pets.
Didn't see a thread up here and the info on BG is all over the place so I figured I'd make a thread to summarize the NM kill strats so far for people who want to try it for themselves. Everyone is welcome to add info themselves and I'll update the OP
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Ashweed x3 + Void Grass x3 + Vermihumus + Coalition Humus
Notes:
-4x Adds spawn with the main NM
-4 More spawn at 28:00, and 4 more spawn at 26:00 for a total of 12x adds (doesn't spawn any more, may respawn if you kill them, unconfirmed)
-Adds won't hesitate to SP shortly after spawn (about 10 seconds after.) Possibly 2hs are Chainspell, Mijin Gakure, Benediction (I haven't seen a 4th one? It might be the DNC one?)
-Main NM has access to standard Korrigan moves (including Fatal Scream, Petalback Spin etc.)
-Petalback Spin causes hate reset
-Stunnable by GEO/BLM with just focus or languor.
-Main NM can do Hundred Fists (often does Terror->Hundred Fists)
-Main NM has a 5-15 second long enpetrify effect that lands semi-frequently.
Strategies
Source: Ramzus/Lyramion
The only strategies recorded thusfar have been by Lyramion/myself. I don't know the exact details of his but the underlying concept is the same so I'll just add whatever I know, he's welcome to add in points himself after he wants.
Setup: BRD/BLM GEO/BLM PLD WHM | BLM/SCH BLM/SCH BLM/SCH BLM/SCH GEO/WHM COR/WHM | SCH SCH
Buffs:
Languor, Malaise, Focus, Haste, Entrust Acumen
Tactician's Roll, Wizard's Roll, Voidstorm (II)
Part 1: Adds Spawning
BRD pops JAs before spawning it (NT, Marcato, Elemental Seal). Horde Lullaby 2 on spawn immediately before they allahu akbar you. From here on, it's basically just afk until more adds spawn. The BRD needs to pop super revit as soon as possible, and then reuse JAs at ~28:30 remaining in the fight to resleep the 4 new adds that will spawn. After that, afk again until 26:00, once all 12 have spawned, someone can wake up all the adds to wipe your ally as fast as possible.
Part 2: NM Fight
Wait for everyone to recover and for BRDs JA timers to come back up, we rotated the SCH into the BLM pt for voidstorm 2 and then moved them back out.
BRD opened with NT/Marcato/Ele Seal and pulled with Horde Lullaby II (make sure your BRD memorizes how long their Lullaby lasts with NT+Marcato and NT+Marcato+CC) then we moved the Mandragora away from all the babies and started Gravitations alternating Death in pairs. The GEO in the tank PT popped BoG Languor for now.
As soon as possible, The COR should go into the PT with the BRD and RD'd + Super Revit RD'd again to get Marc/Ele Seal/NT back up, as well as got the GEO's BoG back for another Languor. Then at some point, The tank PT GEO did bolster malaise+languor and one of the SCHs tabula rasa'd and we just Death SC'd continuously. The BRD made sure to keep track of her Lullaby timer and told me when it had <30 sec remaining, then I ele seal Breakga'd then the BRD reapplied Lullaby with NT/CC/SV/Ele Seal for an additional 6.5min for a total of 12min. At some point the COR WC'd the BRD+1st bolster to see if they'd get it back (just in case for some reason it takes more than 12 min of fighting to kill). If bolster didn't recover then our GEOs swapped PTs and continued. The GEO/BLM can stun Petalback Spin 100% of the time with just Languor or just Focus, we only got hate reset 1 time because it did it mid-cast so it got through.
Voidsnapper x3 + Ashweed x3 + Mistmelt + Scroll of Tornado
Use THF, THF, THF, THF and THF. Every other DD is an absolute waste of time. Rudra's does 20k+ easily with either SA or TA and way shorter timers.
Buffs: Chaos, Miser, Tactician, Samurai, Frailty, Fury, Wilt, DEX/Barrier
Setup: PLD/BLU WHM, SMN, GEO (WHM was dualboxed by PLD so no /smn)
GEO THF/SAM THF/SAM THF/SAM COR/SMN /SMN
I dualbox'd GEO and did wilt/frailty in the tank pt, and DEX/Fury in the melee pt. The bubbles never wore for the most part (i did switch frailties between pt a few times and changed DEX to Barrier in tank pt) but you should never have an issue with it wearing off.
We also had all 6 members of the THF pt to get both lucid wings1/2 and we timed using them around when all THFs offloaded tp, in reality I should have saved them for when I did bolster but that's just for something to consider in the future.
We had 2 COR/SMN and a SMN rotating lullaby with SMN->COR1->SMN->COR2->SMN etc as soon as timers were up after the initial spacing out of lullabies to get a good cycle going. We opted from using BSTs to kill adds and just mewing lullabied all of them, not a single TP move went off the entire 23min fight.
I should mention that all THF were basically geared from their other jobs without actually dedicated gear (they all geared it from their BLUs/NINs etc) and they all had 0 JP. So if we were to use 3x Aeonic THF with 2100 JP we could probably get the fight down to sub 15 minutes no problem.
Void Crystal x3 + Void Grass x3 + Titanite x10 + Worm Mulch
Notes:
-Absorbs damage during TP moves
-Does relatively little damage, as do adds.
-Luopans soak Gorge/Disgorge damage making it a non-issue.
-Has unique TP move called Psychosis Gorge(sp?) that is an unerasable/sacrificable impact type stat reduction.
-Absorbs magic damage after casting Fire type spells below 50%, switches to absorb Physical Damage when it starts casting Earth spells
-Spawns adds after first SC, will retaliate with Doomvoid if you repeat the same SC, need to cycle some elements (not sure total amount)
-Increasing SC level causes more adds to spawn, can cycle t1 SCs.
-Main NM and babies can all Dustvoid to fully strip tank equipment, need some sort of method of immediately getting it back on so you don't die (our PLD make an equipset and macro'd it and mashed it when it did dustvoid.)
Strategy:
Source: Lyramion, Ramzus
PT1: PLD WHM SCH GEO
PT2: SCH BLM BLM BLM GEO COR
Buffs: Wizard's Roll, Tactician's Roll, Languor, Malaise, Focus, Acumen
I followed Lyra's suggestion of doing Wind->Ice->Fire->Dark->Thunder-> but I'm not sure how much it matters? If possible, Wind->Ice->Dark would probably work the best as those produced the highest damage nukes. I had BLMs self storm on every single SC so I wouldn't have to deal with it. On the wind SC I had the other SCH SC, no one except me MB'd so I could get some super powered Helix off. Without Bolster/Temp I was landing 13k Helix, with Bolster+Soldier the highest I saw was 30k.
There is very relatively little damage dealt by the NM this entire fight, GEOs should theoretically be able to full time BoG bubbles until they wear off naturally, unless they have enough regen (not sure if it's even possible to fully negate?)
During the more important SCs (Wind/Dark) we'd spam dia on the NM to force it to use a TP move before going, just to guarantee not healing it since 3x Death was doing >200k damage total. The TP feed is incredibly slow on this NM so this is a guaranteed method of being able to avoid TP dmg absorption 100% of the time if you SC immediately after it goes.
However, below 50% when it starts absorbing damage based on whether it's casting fire/earth, it starts to do multiple TP moves in a row instead of just one, so do be careful of that. We opt'd out of using silence after the first 3 landed, since it appeared to use spells almost guaranteed after silence wore which disrupted the flow of the battle. I'm not 100% certain, but I think it casts spells every 30 seconds and whether it decides to use Fire or Earth is random? It does use the same element spell multiple times in a row, though. I didn't observe enough to see whether it occurs in phases or not.
Voidsnapper x3 + Gravewood Log x3 + Leisure Table + Trump Card Case
The hardest fight in the game. Tumult Curator might be close, but he doesn't really give anything special. Anyone who wants an aeonic weapon eventually has to face this guy, who is on another level from all of the other NMs required. Even the best geared and most coordinated groups WILL lose to this guy, multiple times, before winning once.
Everything about this is a nightmare. Schah spawns a grand total of 14 adds; 7 Bhata (pawn), 2 Ashva (knight), 2 Gaja (bishop), 2 Ratha (rook), and 1 Mantri (queen). If any Bhata lives for too long (2-3 mins), it "promotes" into another Mantri. Ashva can use Banneret Charge (sets HP to 1) from 100%, which is basically an instant loss if it hits the PLD. Gaja can use Besieger's Bane (20' Terror+Zombie+Bio) from 100%, which is, again, instant loss if it hits the PLD and WHM. Every single caturae possesses knockback TP moves, and they can go into the trees and knock the PLD out of the corner. Hate is nigh impossible to hold; they WILL eventually split off from the PLD and attack others.
There are some good sides, and some key points. Bhata has less health than the other adds, and will almost always die in one SC+MB volley. Ratha does nothing special, so it can be left alone until the two Ashva/Gaja are dealt with. Mantri has FAR more health and defenses than the other adds (letting a second Mantri spawn is basically game over), but she can't use Enthrall (charmga) until 50%. Finally, don't even think of keeping the adds alive; Schah himself takes virtually no damage until they're all dead.
With all adds dead, it becomes a race against the clock. Only Death does any reasonable damage against Schah, so as many of those need to fire off as possible (hence BLM/SCH). Be careful; we have seen Schah use Besieger's Bane, Royal Decree, and Enthrall, as well as all the other caturae TP moves. We haven't seen him use Banneret Charge, but that just might be extremely rare. This is far easier to survive than with adds up, but don't let your guard down. Slack off on damage at any point, and you very well might time out.
The Corsair was dualboxed (by me). Every other job you simply cannot dualbox, too much is required. Setup was PLD/BLU WHM SCH in tank pt, then BLM/SCH BLM/SCH SCH GEO GEO COR. 1 Idris, no mage has any Amalric+1 gear. We did get lucky on Wild Card reset this time, but we have beaten him without it.
Before you start worrying about getting clears for an aeonic weapon, ask yourself if you're ever going to be able to beat this guy...because to get one, you're going to have to. Using a brew won't count either. Up for the challenge?
Void Crystal x3 + Voidsnapper x3 + Siren's Hair + Scroll of Maiden's Virelai
Notes:
-Uses SPs in random order at 79, 59, 39, 29, 19 and 9%. At 9% it will keep using SPs over and over.
-Each SP comes with a mega range aura.
-Soul voice: 1 minute silence aura and it gains access to virelai and a charm TP move called Entice. Vex/attunement will block Entice 99% of the time, but only charm buffer can block virelai reliably. Important to note that charm buffer can be dispelled easily in this fight. We had PLD use Sent. or invincible when this aura was up, but tank party will still have to rely on healing temps if HP goes too low.
-Manafont: 1 minute MDB down aura. Laughably easy to deal with if you have vex/attunement and Aegis on PLD. This is a good period to do as much damage as you possibly can.
-Invincible: 30 second 200-300/tic dia aura. Manawall can block this damage, which leaves the rest of the mage party to heal themselves. As long as no one panics and uses cures/temps, it's not too bad to deal with.
-Heavily favors using Clarsach when someone pulls hate at a distance, usually resulting in the entire backline getting 1shot.
-It's very important to pop this at a spot where the mage party can abuse terrain due to Clarsach's range. There are a few spots that work, but we settled on the spot near warp #2.
Strategy
Source: Ejiin
Tank party: PLDx2 GEOx2 WHM. Mage party: BLMx3 SCH GEOx2.
-PLD x2 was used because it has wonky hate, similar to Seiryu mechanics, where once damage is dealt to it, it will partial reset hate on its current target and chase the person who damaged it. This can be completely negated by having a 2nd tank who tries to get hate during periods when damage is done to it. Doing this, it did not chase BLM even once the entire fight.
-WHM was pulling hate a lot and wiping the backline, so we ended up having the WHM stand with the tanks.
-GEOs were used for vex/attunement/focus/wilt and entrust haste cycle for tank party, which made Teles very manageable to deal with. Focus was so the GEOs in the tank party could land dispel. GEOs in the mage party did standard mage GEO buffs/debuffs.
-Clarsach gives it many buffs, including Attack/MAB/MDB/Meva boosts, so it's a good idea to have several people on Dispel duty.
-Magic burst Death in pairs, spacing them out appropriately to avoid magic resistance mechanic to allow for 99,999 on each death.
Void Crystal x3 + Duskcrawler x3 + Bone Chip x10 + Scarletite Ingot
Notes:
-Spawns with 2 adds, Green Naraka has random hate, Blue one usually stays glued to the tank.
-Astral Flow at around 46 and 16, seems to be a hybrid between AF and Meikyo? Will do Sakra Storm or Yama's Judgment at the end of 4 TP move and spawn 2 more adds at the end of each AF, for a maximum of 6 adds. Will spawn a Green+Blue Naraka each time
-Meikyo Shisui at 74, 49, 24%, and spams it below 10%. Will also do Sakra Storm or Yama's Judgment as its 4th TP move.
-Yama's Judgment is 5-count doom.
-Meikyo Shisui during Raksha Stance : Judgment or Illusion > Judgment or Illusion > Vengeance > Yama's Judgment
-Meikyo Shisui during Yaksha Stance : Bliss or Damnation > Bliss or Damnation > Oblivion > Sakra Storm
-CAN BE STUNNED with elemental seal (save it for the 4th tp move of SP)
-Fairly resistant to most debuffs.
-Will heavily favor Raksha Stance which gives it -50% MDT. Can supposedly be terror/DT reset proc'd by completing a SC in the middle of the animation for a stance TP move.
-Killing adds will cause him to respawn one per TP move until he reaches his current maximum add capacity.
Strategy
Source: Papesse, Ramzus, Lyramion, Geigei
PT1: PLD RUN WHM SCH SCH BRD/BLM
PT2: BLM BLM BLM BLM GEO/WHM GEO/WHM
Buffs: Focus, Haste, Malaise, Languor, Entrust Acumen, Firestorm II
Fight is very heavily terrain dependent, Warp#2 highly recommended.
Like Albumen, this fight is highly dependent on BRD sleeps.
The mages should be positioned at the top of the hill, while the PLD tanks it at the bottom of the hill with their back facing the mages, Vinipata should be on the dirt path. Knock back makes this fight a total bitch, the PLD needs to be very alert and run immediately back to Vinipata if they get knocked back before it gets repositioned closer to the mages.
Part 1: Initial Spawn + Fighting
The BRD should open with NT CC Ele seal and sleep the adds right on pop. The PLD runs the NM down the hill, positions it. As soon as positioning is good, 1 GEO should bolster Focus+Malaise while the other does BoG Languor+Haste. The first SCH can also tabula rasa and then immediately start spamming fusion while the RUN Gamb/Raykes and the BLMs MB Firaja->Fire6. This fight is highly dependent on your ability to push Vinipata down to the next set of adds spawns.
GEOs should be helping with status ailments, particularly spamming cursna on the PLD on Yama's Judgment. Global recasts on Cursna make it hard for a single WHM to consistently remove it on time while dealing with curing+other debuffs.
As you continue to MB it down, prepare yourself at approximately 50% for Astral Flow to occur, and BLMs should change off of Firaja to just single target MBs. As soon as the AF animation goes at ~46, everyone should just gather ontop of it and wipe as soon as possible, having a good Helix II MB on it shortly before 50% is indispensable as it can whittle down a good 10% while someone zombies vinipata during recovery.
Part 2: Saccing
Right before wiping, someone needs to throw a Bio II or Dia II on Vinipata just in case to prevent it from regening while zombing. We had our GEO that used bolster sac it while we all recovered. It is highly important that you wipe TOWARDS THE DIRT PATH AS LOW AS POSSIBLE and remain there while waiting for weakness to wear, otherwise a stray TP move while saccing might wipe all of you again. When ready, get buffs up again, the BRD should this time use CC + SV ontop of the usual JAs for maximum duration sleep on adds, since the goal is to (hopefully) kill it before adds wake up this time.
Part 3: Killing it
Everyone repositions again, mages should hide at the very top of the hill in the little corner to avoid TP move on pull, BRD pulls with Horde Lullaby II again with all JA/SP while PLD stands on bottom of hill ready to flash Vinipata on pull.
Repeat the same thing, the 2nd GEO and SCH should now Bolster/TR (obviously switch bubbles on GEO so that you have Bolster Malaise+Focus again) and start SCing + Firaja/Fire6 with Gambit/Rayke. The RUN should also super revit so that they can Gambit+Rayke at low % again just to force it to 0, as <10% can get messy.
The BRD also needs to super revit before 25% to have JAs ready to immediately sleep adds 5/6 when they spawn. At that point, go back to strictly single target, and throw out another Gambit+Rayke, and hope that it dies before anything wakes up. You should IDEALLY have about 15 minutes left, but you may find that to not always be the case. If you wipe at <10% (we have at least 3 times), continue saccing it until the BRDs JA timers are up, it'll be a really bad time crunch as you have probably 3 min to finish it. You'll need to watch out too because it likes to use Meikyo frequently <10%, and when you start the fight it'll open up with 4 tp moves while repositioning, so everyone needs to stay away, as it will very easily wipe you.
This fight is very very dependent on how frequently it uses Raksha Stance. We've had fights take 12 min, and fights taken 29 min entirely because it stayed in Raksha Stance for 100% of the fight.
Void Grass x3 + Ashen Crayfish x3 + Flan Meat x10 + Black Pudding
Notes:
-Arguably the easiest fight, is a complete Zerg.
-Spawns with 2 adds that cause an approximate 21'? 400 dmg Bio Aura. Killing the adds will drop the aura until new ones spawn.
-Frequently spawns new adds, at <50% it gains access to adds that give a doom aura.
-Auras can be avoided by everyone except for PLD+WHM by abusing terrain on Warp 2.
-Gains access to charm at <50%.
-Can be proc'd with SC+Fire MBs (?)
Strategy
Source: Ramzus, Lyramion.
PT1: RUN PLD/BLU WHM
PT2: BLM BLM BLM SCH GEO GEO
(can alternatively throw SCH into tank PT after storms and bring 4 BLM).
Buffs: Languor, Malaise, Acumen, Focus, entrust Haste, Firestorm II
1 BLM should use elemental seal before pop, and immediately stun it when its popped to avoid a 10 second stun from Just Desserts. The fight entirely relies on this opening stun.
Once positioned, the PLD uses appropriate /BLU spells (Jettatura, Geist Wall, Sheep Song etc.) when adds spawn to hold hate. Everyone should abuse the hill terrain to be a good 23' away from the NM and avoid aura. We had both of our GEOs Bolster + have the SCH TR + Embrava both PTs and just zerged it down with Firaja->Fire 6 MBs in under 2 min.
The PLD+WHM should use Charm Buffer before 50% (around 60 is pretty good) as it goes down pretty fast, and might use charm fairly fast. It has a fairly large range on it, as our WHM got hit by it on our first win, so assume that it'll probably be 20'.
Every time we've fought it, SC+MB proc'd it around 60% and made it take very massive damage (i.e. multiple 99,999 Fire MBs) which made it drop really fast, I'm not sure how easy it is to replicate this.
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