Bushido - The Way Of The Samurai (A Guide) V. 2.0

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By Bismarck.Keityan 2014-03-22 00:04:47
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Asura.Natenn said: »
I was just informed SAM is good DD for new Yorcia Delve SO, what TP sets should i be aiming for in there?

We did it in an alliance setup and we didn't know what to expect, so for the boss, I did a hybrid set:

ItemSet 321229

I had 82% accuracy. I used Sole Sushi +1. A normal TP build might be ok, use at your own risk.

During the run, and depending on the rolls I received, I used gearsets 1-5 (on my profile). The first 3 mobs are ok with meat, but the last two, I'd suggest using a high accuracy set and sushi. (Unless there's some sort of procing mechanism that makes them less evasive that I'm not aware of.)

ItemSet 321231
(Otronif Legs Augmented with +9 Accuracy). Xaddi cuisses is probably better but I wanted to wait for stats.

(I updated all my gear sets with Sakonji +1, but I used Wakido +1 for the first win)
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By Asura.Natenn 2014-03-22 00:27:09
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Asura.Natenn said: »
I was just informed SAM is good DD for new Yorcia Delve SO, what TP sets should i be aiming for in there?

We did it in an alliance setup and we didn't know what to expect, so for the boss, I did a hybrid set:

ItemSet 321229

I had 82% accuracy. I used Sole Sushi +1. A normal TP build might be ok, use at your own risk.

During the run, and depending on the rolls I received, I used gearsets 1-5 (on my profile). The first 3 mobs are ok with meat, but the last two, I'd suggest using a high accuracy set and sushi. (Unless there's some sort of procing mechanism that makes them less evasive that I'm not aware of.)

ItemSet 321231
(Otronif Legs Augmented with +9 Accuracy). Xaddi cuisses is probably better but I wanted to wait for stats.

(I updated all my gear sets with Sakonji +1, but I used Wakido +1 for the first win)
82% acc on boss or whole run? and did you use any Apex/Namas?
I been using this but i havn't used SAM for delve stuff cept a few bee spams/tojil
ItemSet 321232
I have acc gear like Yaoyotl helm, agitators collar, tahaka mantle, dynamic belt. As for Hybrid i assume aim for 30% PDT, capped MDT Haste then acc. like i said i havn't used sam for delve much.
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By Bismarck.Keityan 2014-03-22 01:00:27
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Asura.Natenn said: »
82% acc on boss or whole run? and did you use any Apex/Namas?

82% accuracy was on the boss only. It's very strong against piercing the entire fight so this is not a NM that you should be using Namas/Apex on.

Hybrid is judged by:
A. Haste (+Wakido Kote)
B. PDT/MDT
C. Acc

Because I used sushi, used no berserk, since this was my first time, I used Tachi: Shoha throughout the run with an average of 3.4k. (Spiked to 12k). The WS average was very high for the first 75%, maybe 9k averages, and 2k averages towards the end.
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By Asura.Natenn 2014-03-22 02:11:49
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ok simpler question, how much acc should i have when i /checkparam for t1~3 and 4~boss?
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By Bobthetaru 2014-03-22 03:36:16
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3hit build with max haste
tsurumaru bloodrain strap paeapua
yaoyotl helm asperity necklace bladeborn/steelflash
sakonji domaru sakonji kote beeline ring k'ayres ring
takaha mantle cetl belt wakido haidate +1 sakonji sune-ate

acc 858 atk 1006 eva 605 def 752

If i eat carbonara i can drop the bloodrain strap for tzcab grip or pole grip.
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By Bobthetaru 2014-03-22 03:45:20
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If I'm having problems with dying on that build i go to the all 119 3 hit build.
Sakonji kabuto+1
wakido domaru+1 wakido kote+1 rajas ring over beeline
and wakido sune-ate+1
with 5/5 zanshin and the zanshin feet, the sakonji kabuto+1 becomes better tp piece due to the ikishoten aug.

I have 5/5 meditate recast and zanshin
5/5 ikishoten 4 overwhelm and 1 blade bash

with tsurumaru and capped stp which I can get many different ways, I don't need the store tp merits for a 3hit build.
This build has less atk, but the occasional tp boosts from zanshin attacks and from taking damage make a big difference.
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By Asura.Natenn 2014-03-22 04:31:00
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Bobthetaru said: »


If I'm having problems with dying on that build i go to the all 119 3 hit build.
Sakonji kabuto+1
wakido domaru+1 wakido kote+1 rajas ring over beeline
and wakido sune-ate+1
with 5/5 zanshin and the zanshin feet, the sakonji kabuto+1 becomes better tp piece due to the ikishoten aug.

I have 5/5 meditate recast and zanshin
5/5 ikishoten 4 overwhelm and 1 blade bash

with tsurumaru and capped stp which I can get many different ways, I don't need the store tp merits for a 3hit build.
This build has less atk, but the occasional tp boosts from zanshin attacks and from taking damage make a big difference.
so i guess blade bash is moot nowadays then?
 
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By Cerberus.Reiden 2014-03-22 08:33:42
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By Bismarck.Keityan 2014-03-22 09:08:14
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Asura.Natenn said: »
so i guess blade bash is moot nowadays then?

I still keep 1 blade bash. It has saved me numerous times.

5/5 Overwhelm, 4/5 Ikishoten, 1/5 Blade Bash.
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By Remora.Brain 2014-03-22 10:07:13
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I know this sounds dumb, but do to the benefits of Zanshin, high proc rate, +ACC, and essentially double TP, is there a specific ACC that SAM should aim for, or should we always aim for cap?
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By Carbuncle.Killkenny 2014-03-22 13:15:02
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Bismarck.Keityan said: »
Asura.Natenn said: »
I was just informed SAM is good DD for new Yorcia Delve SO, what TP sets should i be aiming for in there?

We did it in an alliance setup and we didn't know what to expect, so for the boss, I did a hybrid set:

ItemSet 321229

I had 82% accuracy. I used Sole Sushi +1. A normal TP build might be ok, use at your own risk.

During the run, and depending on the rolls I received, I used gearsets 1-5 (on my profile). The first 3 mobs are ok with meat, but the last two, I'd suggest using a high accuracy set and sushi. (Unless there's some sort of procing mechanism that makes them less evasive that I'm not aware of.)

ItemSet 321231
(Otronif Legs Augmented with +9 Accuracy). Xaddi cuisses is probably better but I wanted to wait for stats.

(I updated all my gear sets with Sakonji +1, but I used Wakido +1 for the first win)

JPwiki has Xaddi Path B as +45HP +15Acc +3PDT and Path C as +12VIT +5PDT +3MDT.
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By Asura.Natenn 2014-03-25 05:28:39
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Carbuncle.Killkenny said: »
Bismarck.Keityan said: »
Asura.Natenn said: »
I was just informed SAM is good DD for new Yorcia Delve SO, what TP sets should i be aiming for in there?

We did it in an alliance setup and we didn't know what to expect, so for the boss, I did a hybrid set:

ItemSet 321229

I had 82% accuracy. I used Sole Sushi +1. A normal TP build might be ok, use at your own risk.

During the run, and depending on the rolls I received, I used gearsets 1-5 (on my profile). The first 3 mobs are ok with meat, but the last two, I'd suggest using a high accuracy set and sushi. (Unless there's some sort of procing mechanism that makes them less evasive that I'm not aware of.)

ItemSet 321231
(Otronif Legs Augmented with +9 Accuracy). Xaddi cuisses is probably better but I wanted to wait for stats.

(I updated all my gear sets with Sakonji +1, but I used Wakido +1 for the first win)

JPwiki has Xaddi Path B as +45HP +15Acc +3PDT and Path C as +12VIT +5PDT +3MDT.
So if im fighting stuff where my acc isn't capped: tp in sak. kabuto +1? i have ishikoten 4/5 now should i 5/5 or keep 1 in bash? Also, is the 12 str stp7 bow best full time in any situation?
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By Asura.Natenn 2014-03-25 05:41:23
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1 More thing, wouldn't sakonji domaru+1 beat phorcys korazin for WS since overwhelm adds direct dmg% increase?
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By Asura.Tamoa 2014-03-25 06:21:42
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Asura.Natenn said: »
1 More thing, wouldn't sakonji domaru+1 beat phorcys korazin for WS since overwhelm adds direct dmg% increase?

I'm unsure if I'm misunderstanding you, but the overwhelm augment doesn't increase your weaponskill damage, it gives you 1 extra tp back per merit level for overwhelm affected weaponskills.
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By Bismarck.Keityan 2014-03-25 08:57:23
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1 More thing, wouldn't sakonji domaru+1 beat phorcys korazin for WS since overwhelm adds direct dmg% increase?

I'm unsure if I'm misunderstanding you, but the overwhelm augment doesn't increase your weaponskill damage, it gives you 1 extra tp back per merit level for overwhelm affected weaponskills.

Yep, it only gives you 1 TP/merit level during WS (if facing mob). If these two were all I had, I'd only use Sakonji for Tachi: Shoha because it's really close to Phorcy's. Use Mes. Haubergeon for Shoha if you have it.

Phorcy's will beat anything when you're using Tachi: Fudo.

I've been using Tachi: Shoha a lot more now in the new content.
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By Valefor.Mattyc 2014-03-25 14:55:03
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Bismarck.Keityan said: »
Asura.Natenn said: »
I was just informed SAM is good DD for new Yorcia Delve SO, what TP sets should i be aiming for in there?

We did it in an alliance setup and we didn't know what to expect, so for the boss, I did a hybrid set:

ItemSet 321229

I had 82% accuracy. I used Sole Sushi +1. A normal TP build might be ok, use at your own risk.

During the run, and depending on the rolls I received, I used gearsets 1-5 (on my profile). The first 3 mobs are ok with meat, but the last two, I'd suggest using a high accuracy set and sushi. (Unless there's some sort of procing mechanism that makes them less evasive that I'm not aware of.)

ItemSet 321231
(Otronif Legs Augmented with +9 Accuracy). Xaddi cuisses is probably better but I wanted to wait for stats.

(I updated all my gear sets with Sakonji +1, but I used Wakido +1 for the first win)

did Path A for legs they're rank 13 atm, +13 attack +9 acc and stp+2, its not a huge jump but you can save yourself worries of having acc otro+1 legs and DA+2 build, can adjust sets to make acc/stp/haste gearsets work out decently, assuming R15 is 15 attack 10 acc and stp+3 like Xaddi body.
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By Bismarck.Keityan 2014-03-25 16:32:25
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Valefor.Mattyc said: »
did Path A for legs they're rank 13 atm, +13 attack +9 acc and stp+2, its not a huge jump but you can save yourself worries of having acc otro+1 legs and DA+2 build, can adjust sets to make acc/stp/haste gearsets work out decently, assuming R15 is 15 attack 10 acc and stp+3 like Xaddi body.

Yep, I ended up doing Path B on it for:
+40 HP, +15 Acc, +3PDT

I use this for my accuracy set and hybrid now.
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By Valefor.Mattyc 2014-03-25 16:48:13
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ah ok, ya i got DA+2 PDT-4 MDT-3 on my otronif +1 so use those for my hybrid rofl, not gonna try another drawn out garbage augment otronif +1 legs attempt haha.
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By Ragnarok.Azryel 2014-03-28 23:36:38
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Is it time to put Amano back into semi-retirement only to be used in the most heinous of accuracy situations? Sure, Amano has the occasional 2.5x damage, and the +40% damage boost to Kaiten is nice, but I’m thinking a Fudo spamming 4-hit Tsurumaru build would crush a 5-hit Amano in DPS... would that assumption be correct?

Here's my present Tsurumaru 4-hit build:
ItemSet 319404

And my current Amano 5-hit build:
ItemSet 270471

Tsurumaru giving a 25 TP return even on a whiffed WS seems to me to be its biggest advantage: it's a true 4-hit regardless of circumstance. Has anyone done the math on this for confirmation by chance?

Thanks in advance.
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By Cerberus.Leauce 2014-03-29 00:46:49
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with the new sam/rng bow that can reach store tp +7 and +12 str; you can reach a 4hit amano if you want to.
in adoulin im betting tsuru will come out ahead, but elsewhere the lower delay 4hit amano will proly beat it.
so if you really like your amano, i say try to make it a 4hit.

edit: this setup requires you spammin kaiten as it adds stp+7 to ws hit as well as stp+7 for 20sec duration. w/ high buffs, i dont think its an issue.
but if you are looking for a 4hit no strings attached, tsuru would be the way to go.

check my item sets for what to shoot for.
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2014-03-29 03:44:27
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Some new yorcia delve nms are pretty evasive with just brd + food buffs. You'd probably be better off with amano over any other GK in those situations, barring koga.
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By Ragnarok.Azryel 2014-03-29 08:45:20
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Cerberus.Leauce said: »
with the new sam/rng bow that can reach store tp +7 and +12 str; you can reach a 4hit amano if you want to.
in adoulin im betting tsuru will come out ahead, but elsewhere the lower delay 4hit amano will proly beat it.
so if you really like your amano, i say try to make it a 4hit.

edit: this setup requires you spammin kaiten as it adds stp+7 to ws hit as well as stp+7 for 20sec duration. w/ high buffs, i dont think its an issue.
but if you are looking for a 4hit no strings attached, tsuru would be the way to go.

check my item sets for what to shoot for.

Even with Aftermath I'm not seeing how a 4-hit Amano is possible. With your posted TP set assuming that aftermath is never down I have that as producing 23.9% per swing... Am I not factoring in something correctly?
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By Cerberus.Leauce 2014-03-29 13:26:10
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Ragnarok.Azryel said: »
Cerberus.Leauce said: »
with the new sam/rng bow that can reach store tp +7 and +12 str; you can reach a 4hit amano if you want to.
in adoulin im betting tsuru will come out ahead, but elsewhere the lower delay 4hit amano will proly beat it.
so if you really like your amano, i say try to make it a 4hit.

edit: this setup requires you spammin kaiten as it adds stp+7 to ws hit as well as stp+7 for 20sec duration. w/ high buffs, i dont think its an issue.
but if you are looking for a 4hit no strings attached, tsuru would be the way to go.

check my item sets for what to shoot for.

Even with Aftermath I'm not seeing how a 4-hit Amano is possible. With your posted TP set assuming that aftermath is never down I have that as producing 23.9% per swing... Am I not factoring in something correctly?

dont think you are taking into account the lentus grip. puts it at a 458 delay for amano.
should be 25.7tp/hit, 22.9tp back from ws.

also, possibly the bow, stats on it are rank c path: stp+7,str+12
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By Bismarck.Keityan 2014-03-29 17:33:09
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Cerberus.Leauce said: »
dont think you are taking into account the lentus grip. puts it at a 458 delay for amano.
should be 25.7tp/hit, 22.9tp back from ws.

also, possibly the bow, stats on it are rank c path: stp+7,str+12

You might need to double check some calculations. With my TP1 set with a base of +64 TP, adding a +7STP bow, and +7STP Aftermath, you'll have 78STP in gear. The conventional base WS set is +15, +7 bow, +5 (Rajas?) +7 aftermath is still only +34 STP.

That would give you (458 Delay):
TP set: 25.9 TP/hit
WS set: 20.7 TP/hit

Which is still a 5 hit build.

You'd need to WS in a minimum of 48 gear STP in order to reach that 4 hit build, which is fine but not expected by pretty much anyone. You'd have to WS in an extra Takaha Mantle (+10), and K'ayres Ring +(+5) to reach it and this is only with aftermath for all hits. Not the most reliable of 4 hits. I'd much rather use a 450 Tsuru, 484 Anahera anyday for reliability.

Edit: I checked Lea's sets and it is a functional 4 hit but the WS set is funky as hell. It's still much easier to pull it off with a 450 or 494. (And likely higher DPS despite amano's perks)
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By Cerberus.Leauce 2014-03-30 02:20:19
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yeah i have to sacrifice some ws pcs to make a 4hit amano.

decided to compare azyrel's set above to my 4hit amano set in the dps spreadsheet, full buffs; tojil level and delve fodder lv mob, (but outside of adoulin for this instance) and i have amano clearing 50dps over tsuru.

obviously, sets can be tweaked, inside adoulin, tsuru might beat a 4hit amano. take the time to download the spreadsheets and mess w/ it; mind you can lose hours of your life trying to figure out which set is the best; and honestly, im not entirely sure how accurate they are so you might completely waste your time.

i, personally, love doing kaiten to kaiten for solo SC, and im doing it more often than i would be in a 5hit build.

when i feel like forcing a headache on myself, ill look at comparing it to the anahera blade, and ionis affected tsuru to see what comes out ahead in a certain circumstance.

edit: poster above is right though about if you are just looking for a solid 4hits then ws, tsuru and anahera are going to be what you are looking for. amano has strings, but i think kaiten is just that much better of a ws than fudo. so why not spam it and have a 4hit at the same time. ^^;
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By Asura.Hotsoups 2014-03-30 07:25:12
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Kaiten is not better than Fudo
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-03-30 08:02:56
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Asura.Hotsoups said: »
Kaiten is not better than Fudo

At least at 99, Kaiten was slightly ahead of Fudo at 100tp.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-03-30 08:23:09
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Should be 5~7% or so ahead of Fudo. They have the same WSC, both are one hit, the only difference is the http://fTP. Kaiten is 3.0, Fudo is 3.75. Amano gets a 40% damage boost to Kaiten so you can think of it as a 4.2 fTP WS (not perfect but close enough for comparison). Extra TP doesn't make it scale though while Fudo gets another +0.25 fTP from moonshade earring.
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