IiPunch - Monk Guide

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/352610

Now, before you go and talk ***, the Espial set provides over 300 MEva, and also Critical Hit Damage +10%, making it a solid choice. Now, I'm no mathologist, but I'm pretty sure with 2x Mambo from a non REMA or JSE Harp, 2 song bard, I'd be safe enough to just evasion tank it. I've gone ahead and put 5/5 Dodge merits after a few hours in a colibri party on the weekend, so if things go haywire, I can pop /ja "Floyd Mayweather" <me> every 4:10 as needed.
Right now you're thinking "What kinda bard only has 2 songs in 2017?" - but you should be asking yourself "It's 2017, why doesn't Ricky Martin have more than one song by this point?"

This is more useful than the simulator results, thus far posted, over-valuing Kendatsuba by employing illogical buffs.
Both are wrong. But at least this is funny. <3 Richy!

Yup.. MNK may get trolled again this month.. GL MNK!

We're already getting trolled by a bogus simulator result.

Getting serious Killing Ifrit flashbacks here LOL.

How hard is it for me to run the simulator myself having 0 knowledge of anything related to simulations? I was curious about the current state of my gear and which weapons would win and that sort of stuff.

all this talk got me wondering if mnk or nin+geo/trust in full ken would be easier than blu+geo to dual box the world

Summary of everything that has happened since I left to watch Episode 3 of GoT"

progress !

with buffs the other sets don't need.

It is all part of the 15th anniversary Vana'diel campaign!

Stop hiding behind weak replies.

If accuracy is the only thing you need, advise MNKs to wear 5/5 AF+3. It costs hundreds of millions less and has 55 more accuracy than even HQ Ken (not adjusting for changes in DEX). Add a Regal ring and it is 70 more accuracy! With that much accuracy, you could probably drop the BRD entirely and add another BLM to the MNK DPS test!
Look, when building for the greatest DPS, you use everything you can. You don't withhold buffs for the sake of showing how a set performs with fewer buffs than would be available. That makes no sense.

It is not a valid test if you gut out expected buffs, which would be perfectly reasonable to use. Here is the post wherein I included the set:

But you then went and invented accuracy issues that no reasonable person would set-up to encounter when going out to test DPS. Just to make sure Kendatsuba came out ahead.

With Kendatsuba threatened by an alternate set's potential:

you want to "test" on crabs and using their stat values you throw a fit because your set is *** and optimizing buffs for your proposed set weakens the group as a whole. if you think my corrected simulation is wrong for whatever reason then prove it, show me where the error is and i'll fix it.

It is. I have. Repost with honest results that include capped accuracy across all sets and let's see if I can humbly request my new nickname be updated to Cherrywin.

Also, with the millions that a ken. set would cost, if you are going to make parties with gimped buffs and sidelined accuracy... Don't buy ken. gear. Find a well geared BRD or invest your gil into making one. It will take you and everyone with you much, much further.

Suddenly, using buffs that cater to 1 specific set on 1 specific DD is gimped? Is everyone in your hypothetical party using TP sets with terrible accuracy? Why are you so stubborn?

BLU, SAM, WAR, DRK aren't having all these accuracy problems your MNK is. Unless you only party with other equally shitty MNKs, you use the best buffs for the group as a whole not the best buffs for your unique snowflake setup.

http://imgur.com/a/HxHpz

don't think bard buffs get better than that. and before you say ***about honor, it doesn't cap delay so you're losing something elsewhere again

Not at all.


It doesn't matter what you are fighting, don't give up DPS for accuracy that you don't need.

I don't know, I wouldn't want to build my set around situations that cap everything. I don't have a 4-song pocket Bard and I am quite certain I can't pull one out of somewhere, I am going to stick to a more... 'versatile' set assuming I would only get either a BRD or a GEO or simply Trust buffs.

I find 1100+ Acc and Atk food is much better than 1050 Acc and Acc food in most of my adventures.

In fact, I haven't got any sort of proper Acc buff since last year because I mainly do PUG and solo - you'd be surprised the amount of people not having full buffs!

My eyes!
But I did try to make sense of this.
Somehow in that data set, using different TP sets resulted in WS DMG varying by 1500.

TP Set #1:
Spharai: 3345.62 WS: 15022
Ver: 3372.27 WS: 15259
Godhands: 3372.27 WS: 14891
Jolt: 3156.28 WS: 14846

TP Set #2:
Spharai: 3556.50 WS: 16566
Ver: 3648.22 WS: 16846
Godhands: 3632.66 WS: 16310
Jolt: 3326.50 WS: 16337

What is causing that?

Also, items are listed by their NQ names. Things like moonbeam_nodowa. Or it isn't clear that they are upgraded. Things like anch_gaiters and bhikku_hose. Are they all the correct items? With the set bonuses included, where they apply?

Lastly, I'm not sure why you think it is difficult for a BRD to cap Accuracy and Haste, assuming the MNK it shares company has this gear.
Magic Haste caps at 43.75%...
Victory March can cap at 28.61%
Honor March can cap at 16.99%
Total = 45.6%

If for some reason it is necessary, any of the support that are /WHM could cast Haste I also for the missing 15%, if + song gear is lacking.

The accuracy boost from Honor March can cap at 58. Just that song cuts the accuracy needed to reach cap to 42.

these accuracy issues i "invented" are from the mobs you want to "test" on. that's why you're a *** joke. also quoting others way out of context to make a point that even the people you're quoting don't agree with.

For sure, YMMV. But we're talking about a best DPS set with gil as no barrier. Infinite gil = the best support.

Never mind that if you do have full buffs and are doing content like aeonic, your m.eva will be uncapped and your kendatsuba is more likely to help in that aspect.

You're making every possible excuse to rationalize the fact that kendatsuba is too expensive for you, when even on something as trivial as apex crabs you have to stretch as far as possible to create a situation where your set is close. You are not making a realistic or informed argument.

Certain mobs like albumen will require attune and fury for each dd party, vex, wilt, frailty.. all of which are important enough to discourage entrust. How many GEOs do you plan on using to get away with 1050 acc..? Let's not forget you get ANOTHER 100 hp, 170 defense, and 50 magic evasion if you ditch the sushi and use miso.

How about omen? Are you bringing 18 people to bosses so you can forego accuracy gear? I wouldn't expect more than a BRD and a GEO in a 6 man setup, and the GEO certainly isn't using accuracy buffs.

Sure, they may not agree with my opinions or even my set. But the underlying points are the same. If anyone feels I am quoting them out of context, please correct me.

But I'm pretty sure the pervading silence is people waiting for the dust to settle on a result that makes sense. Or it just means people aren't watching this forum as closely as we are.

set two has higher attack.

the (job, 1) means it's hq. the one is called in the function of the equipment itself to determine hq or nq. if it was nq it'd be a 0.

the non crafted gear is all the highest level. yes set bonus is included. it's part of the function on the item itself. it isn't difficult to cap acc and haste on bard but why would they when they can cap attack, nor use attack geo buff and allow more damage from other sources. that's all max song on bard buffs too. honor and haste 1 won't cap delay. martial arts is part of the your delay cap


if you don't know how things work don't tell people it's not working. if you think something isn't working i'd look into it but you don't have any real suggestions.

Your comments are tired.

We've all been finishing Aeonics with melee parties prior to the release of ken gear. So, let's not pretend we can't beat it with the magic evasion available on preceeding gear.
Half of the spells central to GEO work outside of party. I think that's all I need to say for most of your comments.

Stop trying to move the goal posts.
Assuming capped Haste and capped Accuracy (standard before engaging a target) let's see how one set compares to another against the same target. We're talking about Apex Crabs. I'm sorry you don't like them or BRD buffs so much.

Your set is likely the best on apex crabs, using accuracy buffs that reduce your total party's net DPS.

I don't feel that this makes the set important to complete, nor a relevant topic of discussion. You may feel otherwise.

If that's all you're waiting to hear, cool.

So you are using the TP gear in the WS set also? Who would do that?

Thanks for the clarification on the item descriptions.

Because a melee party wouldn't be responsible for magic buffs. And a DPS check for a gear set shouldn't be wasting buffs on things not a part of that gear set.

no...


and that extra geo buff you'd need to cap can be used for other things than just black mage.

Well, the goal then is to buff enough to make even a higher ilvl target as imposing as a CP mob. You don't SV for CP, but you will for a boss. You don't bolster for CP, but you will for a boss.

And it won't hurt the net DPS for an entire team.
If the main compontent of your damage is from a magic burst, sure, use magic buffs. The DPS is there just to open skill chains, probably, if using DPS at all (Hello SCH, COR and PUP).
If spread across multiple parties, the melee party would get melee buffs. The magery party would get magic buffs.

But for a DPS check on MNK, why nuke targets to reduce the amount of mob HP for the test? It makes no sense to me on every possible level.