You Spoony Guide! - A Troubadour's Libretto

What's the difference on song duration between Brioso and Brioso +1 for Reforged AF Feet?

It always throws me off when sometimes SE uses %, and then other times just straight +number for stats

NQ gives 10% i think there was a test about it somewhere.
The +1 version gives 1% more.

Is there any news on SE giving bards a three song harp on the upcoming march 18th update? I keep hearing their might be one from one of the delve bosses. Anyone?

Nvm found it.


Shields and Instruments (Posted 3/12/2014)

Instruments:
We are planning on adding a "Songs +1" instrument in the April update. This stat is very powerful so I wouldn't expect to get it without a fight, but we do hope players can consider it as an option over taking the Daurdabla quest.

It is difficult to balance out very powerful equipment, but we hope to continue making changes so that players can build parties easier and play as they enjoy.

That would be really awesome. Especially considering I just started making the Empyrean harp. I am at 34/50 iron plates as it stands right now.

*** that ***.

Seriously.

Make us farm plates/souls/horns for hours on end, and then decide to give it to bandwagon bards as a drop. So *** stupid.

what makes you think it will be easier than daurdabla to obtain?... SE never makes things easy -_-... probably to get that instrument you will need players w/ Daurdabla99

There is no content currently that requires Daurdabla99. Any future 18-man content will not require Daurdabla99. 2 bards with 95 Daurdabla can provide 6 songs to each DD group for every fight, and 8 songs to each DD group with Clarion Call.
The usefulness of songs tapers off pretty hard after 6 songs. I could imagine a boss requiring the DD to have Scherzo and/or a Carol. If you needed those on top of marchx2, madx2, minuetx2 then the bards can just SV/CC.

It doesn't matter what kind of boss it comes from. If it drops from a boss that also drops other useful items, Linkshells will farm that boss and people will get songs+1 instruments by default without having to put in any additional effort.

Then, the only benefit of the Daurdabla will be the availability of taking it to 99... IF you happen to have the money... and IF you happen to be on a server where buying 1500 heavy metals and 60 riftcinders is even possible.

i wonder if this just allows one additional song to be cast. if so it could actually be the answer to lack of hmp as you could cast 3 with dura then swap for a additional song with the new inst.

I can't see the 2 items having the exact same mecanics.

Either Daurdabla will be buffed in someway, or the new instrument will be weaker with something like 3rd song not re-writable with other instruments.

If the 2 instruments are exactly the same, then HMP pouches have to drop 100% from level 1 rabbits in ronfaure and people with daurdabla 95/99 will be able to activate a special moogle quest with a 150M reward.

Finaly, if the 2 instruments are exactly the same AND nothing changes at all, then we'll all just go insane spamming /dance 3 in choco suit.

Go go speculations !

I dunno, all this hard work i am putting into my harp and then to find this kinda like a slap in the face, but i am continuing to 99 my harp i suppose. Can't wait until .dats come out so we can take a look into this.

If it's a direct drop from anything it'll be easier. Seeing how people pay 500k a soul to complete just 1/3 of the trials for 90 harp I'm willing to bet no matter where it drops from people would be able to offer up to 37mil and just buy it.



While I agree it takes away the usefulness of a 90 harp, you don't have to worry about trying to get the new instrument drop in the future. Also, you can still use your 3 song harp for the next 2 months without waiting.

Instruments have been lucky with the whole iLV thing. That's like saying a 90 Empy Weapon should compete with level 119 weapons. If someone was complaining that their 90 Verethragna should be on par with Oatixurs that would be ludicrous.

You said no alliance content needs 99 harp, but the same could be said about 90 harp. The lesser NMs in delve can be done with 4 or less songs and for the boss you can just pop SV/CC to get 6 songs.

The real shine for 3/4 songs is when you're doing 6 man content. So yes that's where the 90 harp can be replaced, but that's also why 4 song bards will still have an edge over 3 songs bards.

Also, just because more people will have access to 3 songs doesn't mean everyone who gets the new instrument are instantly going to 'bandwagon' bard. You still need to work on skilling up, getting ghorn/instruments, job ability gear, duration gear, and other +song gear. It's a job where pieces of reforged af/relic/empy/salvage gear are all still relevant.


The 3 songs instrument will probably not have the 'extends song duration' effect. Which doesn't really matter anyway. But I highly doubt you can use daurdabla and the new instrument together.

You realize you're getting pissed that 4 song is too hard to obtain and complaining that 3 song will be too easy now?

i agree finding hmps on levi is not happening and only so many low man VW i can stand. Either SE needs to add hmps to other new content or just auto upgrade them for us. at this point i def feel like they need to stop focus on the casual and let us old school people have some relevant content and not have keep upgrading everything we already had to upgrade only to find out next week we have to upgrade something else and the 20 mil we just spent on other upgrades are useless. yes i like new gear, no i dont need it to oudate everything i just got the last update, SE head out of your *** please and thank you.

Have to agree with you on the supply and demand on our server just isn't there at all. I have been trying for the last three months to gather together HMP and it's just not happening. The prices are insane and no one wants to do VW anymore or the ones that do you sit there for three hours shouting to fill a party and the ppl you had to start just D/c or go on there own doing something else. HMP should come from somewhere else.

An easy and obvious solution, is that the new instrument and daurdabla can stack songs.

This way, you sing 2 songs, swap to new instrument to sing the third, and for daurdabla to sing the forth/fifth. This way you please both dharp and non dharp users.

Easing heavy metal plates should be a priority for se also. The game is pretty unbalanced when just relic weapons ilv119 are anything near possible to create. Riftborn and beitetsu costing 500g is a proof something failed in the process.

pretty much i've even offered to buy up to 300k each if people can supply 50 or more in a clip i get nothing, or wind up buying 1 at a time for 170kish. At 300/1500 for way too long now, VW is dead the gear got outdated so fast, and obtained so easily it never had time to stick. i really do miss the days where it took more than 3 runs for a ls to cap on gears, like byakko haidates era i miss you.

Relax, the ease on server transfer will fix a lot of stuffs.
... And destroy a lot of servers.

Goodness, what a lot of rage. You'd think that Square-Enix has never, ever made a piece of gear obsolete or less desirable before.

But this is a level 90 instrument we're talking about.

I'm going to be pissed when they release +3 instruments that make 90 ghorn obsolete.

If I had the choice to get back the time/money I spent on plates/souls/horns, and just waiting for a drop... that's a no brainer.

1) How have instruments been lucky? What instruments have we even seen in SoA so far? Camaraderie harp and Forefront Flute? Worthless outside of Reives. I assume you mean lucky in the sense that we didn't HAVE to upgrade them to make them relevant. Well, it cost me about 50k or so to upgrade my 99 Vere to 119.

2) EVERY R/E/M holder was either pissed or at least annoyed when easy SoA weapons replaced their hard-earned(or bought) R/E/M's until SE finally gave us the option to 119 them.

2) You can't compare Verethragna and Daurdabla. My 119 Verethragna is superior to my Oatixur and allows me to throw Oatixur away. This instrument, assuming it works like Daurdabla, will be the exact same thing without the hassle of trials. Who is going to want to work on Daurdabla when they have to do 50 plates, 75 souls, 75 horns, 1500 heavy metal and 60 riftcinder just to get something better than a 1 drop instrument?

3) It's not ludicrous at all to say 90 empy should be better than 119 weapons. 90 empyrean takes a long time to get. The NM trials + VNM trials + Abyssea trials... compared to a 30 minute Tojil run where you could get up to 4 Oats?? Quit letting SE brain wash you.

I'm not saying everyone will instantly bandwagon bard. I'm saying that it puts the bandwagon (as in "hey I leveled up bard just to sing a couple songs") bards on the same playing field as Daurdabla bards. Skilling up is a matter of running spellcast while you sleep for a few nights.
Instruments may take you a few hours depending on your luck in abyssea and what's available on the AH.
JA gear consists of nothing that you really need. Relic body/feet come in handy but aren't required.
Other gear largely depends on how good of a bard you want to be. If you are just looking to get carried through fights, you don't need any of that stuff. Almost every shout for bard is just "3-song bard"

If this instrument functions just like Daurdabla and doesn't stack with Daurdabla songs, it's just a kick in the balls to every Daurdabla user out there. Hopefully it stacks with Daurdabla.

So apathetic. Have you become so desensitized that when your hard work goes down the drain, instead of negative feedback, you bend over and tell SE "yeah please, give it to me harder" ??

it would be nice to see more active people playing bard but yeah, when it's a job i love and have spent the time and money, mostly the time and time and time to gear then they just kinda toss this w/e in for the casuals it does kinda tick my ticker....

Its the REM saga all over again but just for brds this time. I kinda like that they are doing this it gives more people the chance at doing stuff w/o having to put up with 3/4 song brd ot GTFO. SE already did this with shields bridging the gap between those with R/E and those w/o. I cant imagine why they wouldnt let the new instrument and 90 harp put a song up each it would relieve the rage.

Now cor just needs a dagger or shield that lets you put up a third roll.

I'm apathetic because I read these forums. More often than not, I see people making a big deal about having a 4-song Bard. In spite of what a few folks claim, that's hardly commonplace or easy. And I'd argue it's not worth the expense, either. So SE has thrown in Clarion Call and now a Song +1 harp, to narrow that gap in response to (alleged) player demand.

People have had several years now to get a 90 Daurdabla. It's well past time to make it obsolete. SE has been explicitly moving people away from Abyssea for a while now (e.g., Job Points apparently won't be gained there) and the system for making 90 Daurdabla and 90 Ochain has been a particular nuisance, not least because they're both still viable, desirable, and use the same bottleneck path.

So, no, adding in another option doesn't bother me in the least. This is the same "wah-wah, I want my exclusivity (even though I only just started playing Bard a month ago)" nonsense that comes up every single time SE does this. I've watched this same complaint for 10 years now. Perhaps I'm more skilled at pattern recognition.

It's obvious you don't really care about bard. Getting 90 harp takes a week or less if you want it bad enough without spending any gil. You spent time getting 1 item so now you don't want anyone else to get it. If you gave 2 shits about bard you'd be focusing on other items to make your bard better and set yourself apart from the baseline '3-song' bards instead of whining about a new instrument that isn't even better than what you have.

Having a 119 empy I would have imagined you would understand the gap a lv90 and lv99/119 is in terms of investment. You paid 150m+ for 7 more base damage when you could have gotten a 99 relic. You really think 90 and 99/119 should be equal?

I was going to get another mythic before I decided to go with 4 song harp instead. I sold all the alex I was saving up and bought HMP instead. This new instrument doesn't deter me in the slightest as I work toward that goal.

Sure when REMs were terrible weapons it made me sad my kenkonken sat in it's locker. But you know what? I'd gladly toss my mythic on my mannequin if it means actually doing content rather than shouting for 4 hours for REM ONRY!

I'm all for shinies but when it inhibits being able to do content because 16 people are waiting for a couple of 3 song bard to login it's pointless.


If you're a good bard you're going to get invites over the 'casuals' anyway.

I just don't see how it hurts you in any way even if they get 3 songs.

I don't ever see people asking exclusively for 4-song. Shouts I see are "3+ song BRD"

But that aside, when I read your other 2 paragraphs, I don't think "wow, man that guy is skilled at pattern recognition." More like you proved me right. You've seen SE do this so many times it doesn't even phase you anymore. You'd rather make sarcastic comments toward players that do care.

Of course, all I did was rant like a stubborn kid, so I'm not being any more productive.

I've seen one person shout specifically for only a 4 song mythic bard for an alliance. What do we have? 2 of those on the server? And one of the bards was shouting for his own party. It's silly, but it does happen.

Actually, I've commented at length -- over the course of a full decade -- about how dull I find horizontal progression and how much I hate the way it poisons the player community. You should be proving you're an effective player by how you play, not being able to point at a piece of gear that was released several years ago and say, "That's all you need to know."

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Just keep at it you'll find good deals. I got the majority of mine in JP time(logging on before work)

I thought I'd care more when brd got the eventual gear *** over like every other job has, but meh. HMP were easier back when I did my harp, but cinders were near twice as expensive and really hard to find, and most days there were still 90-120 people + inside each abyssea zones.

Souls are one of the most awful things in this game. No, they didn't take me that long once I sat down and actually committed to finishing them, but it was still probably the most not fun thing I've ever done in this game.

Emps have their kinda crappy WoE equivalents, why not harp? If all they're going to give it is +1 song, no stats and no duration, that's honestly kinda crappy. You'd be pretty much 100% forced to dummy song all the time, because that's a 48/96 second time difference between your horn song and this. Daurs duration is +30s, which makes it perfect for overwriting but still isn't the end of the world if you wanna be lazy and not do dummy songs.

I'd kinda appreciate it if they buff daur or do something a little special for it, but I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it. (Like I said before, making it tradable to the ??? in WoE like emp/woe weapons so the extra songs are permanent would be really cool SE forum link here).

On the other hand, power creep in this game is getting a bit crazy.