How Do You Rate Your TH Level? By Base Or Proc?

Right, if you kill the numbers you picked and you yield the results you picked, the result is nearly indistinguishable.

But again, I'm saying that you can see the difference TH makes in 100 piece drops. That was my entire point. The whole comment about TPing in TH gear was in regard to someone saying that you can put your initial TH on it, and switch, largely without loss. I just wanted people to be informed that this is now one of the things about TH we no longer have to eyeball or wonder about the moon's influence on.

SE has said, TH gear increases your likelihood to upgrade.

Standard mobs dont drop 100's though :x
I presume you're referring to NM's?

I find myself getting more TH procs wearing TH gear even after that initial proc and less if I switch out to my haste gear after

sooo wrooong
you are th7 thief and everything else is a possible bonus

Yes, I did that test, the numbers are on BG. http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/113366-TH-procs

The further away your characters TH is from the active TH on the mob, the less likely you are to get a proc from standard melee swings. SA/TA numbers are untested, as it would surpass my patience lol.

you are right.
TH is written into the "hateliste" like weakens procs.
once mob has no enemies with more than 0 hate it goes idle and resets the list and procs/th is reset


one test we made was:
thief getting th proc on nm. then he died. he got raised and start to hit it again.
next th upgrade proc was one higher than his last.
Death is not equal th lost


also from a programming point of view since multiple thief's can upgrade the same thf level it is clearly written an a central place and not dedicated to the thief.

So me meleeing with only theif knife and full TH gear and SA/TA every time its up is good or bad?

Good if you want to raise TH; bad if you want to do damage.

its Situational

To define if its good or bad you need to look at what you re sacrificing

if its like building chloris popset and then kill her. The time lost on killing chlooris slower is a little sacrifice due to the big time invested in farming her, so you better get maximum drop out of her.

however in farming dynamis the reverse could be true. you only have 2 hours. so killing mobs faster with a lower drop rate might give you more coins in the same time.

its basically speed * droprate = performance.
You just need to figure out how much of one factor you sacrifice for the other


even your alternative dd gear might change it.
the better DD gear you have. the more speed you are sacrificing for going in full th mode so its less beneficial for your performance to go in full th

-- edit ---
to clarify with some numbers (picked out of my #ss)

you solo popset for chloirs and use lets say 30mins
your killing time of chloirs is 5 mins in th gear and 3 mins in DD gear you droprate increase byt 20% in full th mode

for a complete cycle of cloris you use either 33mins (full dd) or 35 min (max TH) so going full

in full dd mode you get 35/33 a 1.06 kill speed factor. so going in full kill mode nest you 6% more performance (drops/time unite).
However going to in full th mode gave you are 20% more drops
20% more drops is better than 6% faster killing so yes go full DD


now you go to dynamis and lets use the same kill speed to keep it fair.
You kill a mob in 5 mins in th mode and 3mins in full dd mode
going full th nest you 20% more drops

you can very fast see that killing faster will give you 5/3 a 1.66 kill speed factors. ths 66% better performance form killing faster
66% faster killing is better than just 20% more droprate so here go for full kill speed

if you want a universal "best of both worlds"
hit mob once with full th gear and the kill it in full DD gear.
its speculated (proven?) that the lowest tier of th is the most useful anyway. so you get the most of th and the most of killspeed this way

Well I only go thief for salvage.
does what I currently do, good for that considering that I don't want to murder certain nms

woh and also the more ppl you go the less is the time sacrifice since other ppl will do more of the killing. so that demininshes the sacrifice on killspeed for going in full th

Treasure hound doesn't give a thief +1 th unless se changed something. It originally gave th 1 to non-thieves.

Has there been a change?

I am. I'm just saying that if all you bring is TH2, you'll see a difference between th2 and th8 on NMs. Cuz obviously your thf (wheover it is) should be switching to th gear for those fights.

i believe they changed it last year.
im not 100% sure though

Got some info on this from personal exp today. Dying does NOT clear the TH! I had done a TH6, Feint, SA, Got TH7 procced. Then died, Reraised up, waited for Feint. Redid Feint and SA, it went straight to TH8.

So what did I personally learn today? TH doesnt go away when the THF dies. Only if the mob goes unclaimed would TH be lost. (Should someone say "post proof" I did take screenshots from my log just incase) Needless to say, I am happily surprised.

THF does indeed get a +1 to TH rate. Seen it many times, long as you have signet and are in a conquest area. So this wont help in Aby, Toau, or Wotg.

I don't have the parses saved anymore. Call that "convenient" if you wish. I'd re-parse but ever since the December update, I haven't been able to get Kparser to work for me.

I'm not trying to back down from what I said, or trying to say that I didn't mean it. What I'm saying is that I didn't mean it exactly the way you read it. If I was trying to say that TH2=TH7 then I would have said "I roll with TH2 from /thf and get the exact same drop rate." However, when I was writing that post, I meant it as "I roll with TH2 from /thf and get about the same drop rate."

This is why, in my later posts, as people started to get all touchy about it, that I used words like "similar" and "discernible difference" to better clarify my meaning.

Higher levels of TH will give people better chance at drops, for one particular fight. However, when you are farming, you don't tend to just fight one thing and then call it. You typically are there for a while, grinding and grinding. This being the case, taking the time to level up TH to 8, 9, 10, etc... this is really just a waste of time.

Obviously this doesn't apply if you have the numbers to where extra damage isn't going to make much of a difference. But for things like dynamis, or pop item farming in abyssea... these are the types of events I'm referring to.

Is that from using SA on the attack round that applies Feint? Or any SA whilst the Feint debuff is on the target in your experience?

So just admit you worded it badly at the start and have since changed your stance from "It's the same" to "It's almost the same".

Goddamn people on the internet and their goddamn pride. Learn to hold your hands up and say "Whoops, I was wrong". It doesn't make you any less of a man. In fact it probably proves you more mature than the majority of people.

Seriously, had you said "Ok, I meant almost the same instead of the same, my bad" instead of trying to defend yourself, you probably would have avoided 2-3 pages of this bollocks and looked like less of a pillock whilst doing it.

Dying doesn't remove TH. People found that out when it was found out that TH was treated as a debuff on the mob. They also at that same time assumed you could warp out change jobs or w/e and TH would stay, but I thought SE had said something about THF needing to remain in alliance and within exp range when the mob dies for it to stay in effect. I'm not completely sure because I forget where I had read/head that.

So... sad people still don't understand TH >.o
I love these TH threads, they make me laugh so hard. Thank you everyone ^_^)/

In my experience is when i SA on the round that applies Feint, after every charm on SSR boss, i always Feint+SA followed by TA while the debuff is active and it's pretty rare to see TA upgrading TH.

Also, yesterday he managed to charm my mule before i could apply dot and he did regen from 45% to 77%, the next Feint+SA upgraded to TH10, so he didn't lost TH when he went in iddle which i found extrange

yup, simply going idle isn't enough to remove TH. I've seen it on this chariot as well. I assume it will wear off after some amount of idle time but I haven't tested how long (if it ever wears off at all).

Regen to 100% will lose the treasure hunter.

I just confirmed this via testing on Dune Cockatrice.

If it's idle but HP < 100%, it retains the previous TH level.

If it's idle but HP reaches 100%, TH is reset.

You're so pigheaded. Yes, I could have worded it perfectly. But yes, you could have interpreted it perfectly too. I didn't change my stance. I helped you to understand it. If you had actually read my previous post, you would have understood that instead of trying to chastise me and rant about stereotypical internet people

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is the definition of somebody who needs to have the last word.

Why are people still arguing about this?

Your TH lvl on thf is 3 + your TH gear.
TH2 and TH12 are close enough for drop rates on most everything.
TH is stored on mob.

/thread

Yeah ok. Apparently responding to a post directed at me is equivalent to needing to have the last word. Get real

QFT

I'm pretty sure his point is that you still haven't demonstrated the humility that, as Kurriko keenly pointed out, would have prevented all the puke that has landed in this thread, and your most recent post is just more evidence of that.

People word stuff poorly all the time. You can just say "oops," you don't have to rage about it.