Mandau Twashtar Etc.

Yeah it is, it means I have to go less time without songs up. On average.

there is an average for each period of time that you take the average. your average amount of bs today could be more than your average amount of bs tomorrow. i have observed that the average amount of damage with any dagger combo today WILL be different than the average taken with the same combo tomorrow... i don't know how to say it more clearly... stop trying to be superior at math and try to understand that until all melee hits equal the same fixed number, we can never have the ultimate choice, which is probably the reason why each hit isn't a fixed number... some people just have to learn to be open minded and not believe that they have the answer to everything.. geez

Reinventing the meaning of average.

Holy ***what did I just read

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What the *** did I just read?



av·er·age [av-er-ij, av-rij] noun, adjective, verb, av·er·aged, av·er·ag·ing.
noun
1. a quantity, rating, or the like that represents or approximates an arithmetic mean: Her golf average is in the 90s. My average in science has gone from B to C this semester.
2. a typical amount, rate, degree, etc.; norm.
3. Statistics. arithmetic mean.
4. Mathematics. a quantity intermediate to a set of quantities.


adjective
6. of or pertaining to an average; estimated by average; forming an average: The average rainfall there is 180 inches.
7. typical; common; ordinary: The average secretary couldn't handle such a workload. His grades were nothing special, only average.


It doesn't change. Damage isn't affected by day unless you're using Athos Gloves on an active day for WSs, or for some dumbfucking reason change gear sets every day of the week. An average is an average.

Mathematics are absolute. Your whimsey and beliefs hold no water in the real world, stop trying to offer advice based off of them.

Yeah, that's why we don't "take" averages. The average is predictable because these things are based on mathematical formulae, and it's extremely trivial to plug numbers into formulae and figure out what the average damage will be.

Also hate to break it to you, but the factor that makes damage "random"? On same mobs etc.? That affects all weapons exactly the same. Most you'll get is a Ratio change which leads directly to a cRatio change which would result in a different pDIF when going from one attack value to another.

Calculating the average value of a random variable is hard.

Absolutely. Makes my brain melt just thinking about it. I sent the complex formula to NASA and their computer exploded.

How does a 1.0 ~ 1.05 range make a life?


P.S. How dem ephemeron sims comin

My head. It hurts.

I have to recode my ephemeron simulation because it doesn't "waste" tp properly if the normal attacks from the current round would result in reaching 100TP without an ephemeron proc, and the way I coded it doesn't allow me to account for that.

To the anti-avarage guy:

If you take an avarage every day, and you add up the avarage of all the avarages, that's your proper avarage.
That's the one you should aim to increase.
Honestly the best way to explain it I think >_>

if averages changed based on the day

i guess i'm the only one that doesn't want to base my decision on an average of numbers taken at one point in time from a set of values that is random. i'm ok with that really, no need to hurt your head lol. i was jut trying to contribute to the OP by stating my choices. the way that i understand math has gotten me to a good place in life i hope you are in the same or better.

There just isn't any way that rudra beats mercy if you are talking about the LV 99 version. Mercy gets a FOTY PERCENT boost at LV 99. That's fing huge. And it works on ALL hits. The offhand, triple attacks etc. Twash has a 4.25 ftp with tp bonus. Even with moonshade it has 4.5. The offhand gives it a grand total of 5.5 and +1 for each multi hit proc. Mercy is 3.0+1 but gamers the 40% boost so it is the equivalent of 4.2+1.4=5.6 and an additional 1.4 per multi hit tacked on. Both are a 60% mod. Mercy just starts out with a base multiplier of 5.6. Rudra with both moonshade and tp dagger is 5.5. Then each multi hit fir mercy adds 1.4. Rudra only 1.

99 Mercy wipes the floor with rudra unless you DONT 2x or 3x proc AND you use 300 tp. And, you dont have to offhand a weaker dot dagger like tp bonus to get that damage. You can 99mandau/99twash like me! /Flex!

phone posting so deal with the spelling/autocorrect crap :P

Edit. Twash is still hit ***in abbyssea because crut related atmas and dex atmas line up while str atmas and crit atmas do not so you biff evis and rudra with same atmas but choose mercy or evis atmas for mandau. But you need both a stck and unstacked ws so mandaus out

You're saying that... you don't want to... use averages to find an average... which...




wtf does it even mean

i like this answer... you really would have to do this to come to a good conclusion, not one average at one point in time. i'm not anti-averages.

I too don't believe in math. I think God decides which dagger is better.

*giggles*

No one is basing things on averages based at one point in time, this is what you seem to not understand.

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THE RANDOMIZE IS ALREADY AVERAGED TO FIND THE AVERAGE.

Range of 1.0 ~ 1.05 = 1.025 average. 1.025 is used in the calculation to find the damage average. There are no other averages to average the final average with to find another average. This average is calculated for all items being compared and the two averages are then put side by side. The one that's bigger usually wins! This is basic math that they teach in 5th~6th grade.

Balls. I said I wouldn't yell.

Prothescar seems to be arguing the the average will not change, so 1 average is good enough... if he is adding his averages up to come to him true average, then i'm misunderstanding him, but it seems pretty clear that he believes that 1 average is enough because it will not vary.

Look, it's unbelievably clear that you have no idea what you're on about. You have absolutely 0 grasp on how the mathematics behind FFXI work, and you don't know what we're saying. The average is the average. It is the average. It is the literal definition of itself, you cannot break it down further. It is the average.

There is no further randomization.

There is the average.

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he's not averaging anything, he's calculating the expected average as number of replicates tends to infinity based on the formula for damage.

you're so hooked on definitions, do you take the average from set of data and base your decision on that single pool or do you take multiple averages at different times (whenever you play the combo) and add that to the average?

This just in, 2 is indeed a higher number than 1.


I calculate my averages based on mathematical formulas. The same thing that's been said about 7 times in this thread so far.

There are no multiple averages. There is one. What is difficult to grasp about this concept. It is not hard. I taught my cat how to math FFXI.

though this seems clever, i think that i have made my position clear that i don't believe that you can really use math to distinguish between very close choices in gear because of the randomness that occurs in dmg. i think it's great that the community has found ways to try to solve the problems and i believe that they are close, but not so close as to eliminate comparable items from the game due to it being "mathematically" inferior to the other.

But you can... because the randomziers are averaged... and put into the formula...

Do you seriously think that damage is completely random all the time moon phase day of the week direction you're facing and if you're fighting 3 mobs at a time sort of ***? It isn't.

You're so full of it! Stop saying BS!

Fine, I taught the tree outside of my window to math FFXI

is there one thread or link where i can find all of these formulas? i am open to trying them out for myself. but yes right now, i do think that melee dmg is random, because it is not a fixed number everytime i hit the mob.

I just explained to you why that's the case at least twice.

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/30626/the-beast-within-a-guide-to-blue-mage/

Scroll to the math section. Don't hurt yourself. I'm going to mow the lawn in 100 degree weather.