10k nukes in lolAbyssea are easily possible by SCH every nuke.
This is true even without the Pandemonium Warden Atma.
MM/Beyond/Ultimate atmas + Obi, Twilight Cape + Good SCH gear.
SCH>BLM After Update? . .
SCH>BLM after update? . .
Quetzalcoatl.Vileplume said: »
Barleycup said: »
Siren.Thoraeon said: »
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
You are missing the point, the only use nuking has at the moment is in a proc reliant setting, or for aga killing.
the BLM will keep on going until it runs out of MP; which will be long before the SCH.
Greater number of nukes are utterly irrelevant as Tier V & IV can be spammed on SCH with occasional Helix.
You fail to see any of the OP's points methinks.
If a SCH wants to conserve MP, they'd use Parsimony. If you really want to out-epeen a BLM, you'd Ebullience, right?
Okay, so... Since you are saying SCH can manage mp so good and out-nuke a BLM, I'm going to assume you are using Parsimony+Ebullience every nuke. In that case, you'd only do maybe 3 nukes before you are out of stratagems. What then?
Black Mage will still be able to throw out nukes while you sit and play with your thumbs until you get stratagems.
But he can helix too!!!!!!! and have modus miss.
better off comparing sch to rdm if it's a comparison you want to win, unless SE adds fights that last 30+ minutes that require near constant nukes, and have no temp items to restore MP. BLM will always be more useful for nuking
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**Edit for clarity
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Barleycup said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Barleycup said: »
For all thse posting about SCH having to use strategems to get close to BLM casting speed:
SCH can reach 80% Fast Cast cap now with some Rubeus set pieces. This means THEY CAN CAST AS FAST AS A BLM; HAVING THE SAME 80% FAST CAST CAP ON NUKES.
Thankyou.
SCH can reach 80% Fast Cast cap now with some Rubeus set pieces. This means THEY CAN CAST AS FAST AS A BLM; HAVING THE SAME 80% FAST CAST CAP ON NUKES.
Thankyou.
the fact that you structured the OP so poorly pretty much derails your point. You list all the pros for sch, pointing out things that blm can do as well, but fail to list that in the BLM pros. Its pretty hard to take you seriously when you cant even be serious about the benefits of both jobs in question.
How can i list the same pro's I have listed in SCH when the comparison is between the two? If you want to talk and deal with semantics then please understand the very nature of a comparison.
Its obvious you aren't good at this. You list the pros of each job, period. Listing that Sch can get 80% FC, but failing to list Blm can get 80% FC, is going to result in everyone pointing out that fact, which is exactly what happened in this thread. If you want to argue for sch fine, but showing the blatant bias and disrespect towards BLM in your OP is pretty much going to illegitamize your stance.
To answer your question, NO. No one is going to jump on the sch bandwagon to nuke things, because what exactly does sch nuke? Nothing. No event needs a sch to nuke things, they just need you to cure people. Better off comparing sch to whm.
Any BLm worth more than a spit on the road will know that they can easily reach 80% FC. Your rhetoric entirely misses the point and only go to further your aggressive answers. PLeas quote where i have shown or implied any disrespect to BLM; and may I remind you of being a BLM myself and having levelled the job before SCH.
Barleycup said: »
10k nukes in lolAbyssea are easily possible by SCH every nuke.
This is true even without the Pandemonium Warden Atma.
MM/Beyond/Ultimate atmas + Obi, Twilight Cape + Good SCH gear.
This is true even without the Pandemonium Warden Atma.
MM/Beyond/Ultimate atmas + Obi, Twilight Cape + Good SCH gear.
If this meant anything, don't you think people would have started to migrate to sch more than blms? Did that happen? No. So pretty safe to say if that can't make it happen, nothing will.
Barleycup said: »
10k nukes in lolAbyssea are easily possible by SCH every nuke.
This is true even without the Pandemonium Warden Atma.
MM/Beyond/Ultimate atmas + Obi, Twilight Cape + Good SCH gear.
This is true even without the Pandemonium Warden Atma.
MM/Beyond/Ultimate atmas + Obi, Twilight Cape + Good SCH gear.
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Phoenix.Morier said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Vileplume said: »
Barleycup said: »
Siren.Thoraeon said: »
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
You are missing the point, the only use nuking has at the moment is in a proc reliant setting, or for aga killing.
the BLM will keep on going until it runs out of MP; which will be long before the SCH.
Greater number of nukes are utterly irrelevant as Tier V & IV can be spammed on SCH with occasional Helix.
You fail to see any of the OP's points methinks.
This whole thing fails badly.
10 . . maybe 20 wrong assumptions made . . time to abandone thread before people start blaiming me for the Odessa Line and Cuban Missile Crisis. :/
If a SCH wants to conserve MP, they'd use Parsimony. If you really want to out-epeen a BLM, you'd Ebullience, right?
Okay, so... Since you are saying SCH can manage mp so good and out-nuke a BLM, I'm going to assume you are using Parsimony+Ebullience every nuke. In that case, you'd only do maybe 3 nukes before you are out of stratagems. What then?
Black Mage will still be able to throw out nukes while you sit and play with your thumbs until you get stratagems.
But he can helix too!!!!!!! and have modus miss.
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Barleycup said: »
10k nukes in lolAbyssea are easily possible by SCH every nuke.
This is true even without the Pandemonium Warden Atma.
MM/Beyond/Ultimate atmas + Obi, Twilight Cape + Good SCH gear.
This is true even without the Pandemonium Warden Atma.
MM/Beyond/Ultimate atmas + Obi, Twilight Cape + Good SCH gear.
If this meant anything, don't you think people would have started to migrate to sch more than blms? Did that happen? No. So pretty safe to say if that can't make it happen, nothing will.
This isnt on Thunder's or Iceday.
Wow . .
Barleycup said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Barleycup said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Barleycup said: »
For all thse posting about SCH having to use strategems to get close to BLM casting speed:
SCH can reach 80% Fast Cast cap now with some Rubeus set pieces. This means THEY CAN CAST AS FAST AS A BLM; HAVING THE SAME 80% FAST CAST CAP ON NUKES.
Thankyou.
SCH can reach 80% Fast Cast cap now with some Rubeus set pieces. This means THEY CAN CAST AS FAST AS A BLM; HAVING THE SAME 80% FAST CAST CAP ON NUKES.
Thankyou.
the fact that you structured the OP so poorly pretty much derails your point. You list all the pros for sch, pointing out things that blm can do as well, but fail to list that in the BLM pros. Its pretty hard to take you seriously when you cant even be serious about the benefits of both jobs in question.
How can i list the same pro's I have listed in SCH when the comparison is between the two? If you want to talk and deal with semantics then please understand the very nature of a comparison.
Its obvious you aren't good at this. You list the pros of each job, period. Listing that Sch can get 80% FC, but failing to list Blm can get 80% FC, is going to result in everyone pointing out that fact, which is exactly what happened in this thread. If you want to argue for sch fine, but showing the blatant bias and disrespect towards BLM in your OP is pretty much going to illegitamize your stance.
To answer your question, NO. No one is going to jump on the sch bandwagon to nuke things, because what exactly does sch nuke? Nothing. No event needs a sch to nuke things, they just need you to cure people. Better off comparing sch to whm.
Any BLm worth more than a spit on the road will know that they can easily reach 80% FC. Your rhetoric entirely misses the point and only go to further your aggressive answers. PLeas quote where i have shown or implied any disrespect to BLM; and may I remind you of being a BLM myself and having levelled the job before SCH.
done. Whatever point you think I'm missing, MY point is you do not know how to present a case. Hence this fail thread.
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Quetzalcoatl.Vileplume said: »
Barleycup said: »
Siren.Thoraeon said: »
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
You are missing the point, the only use nuking has at the moment is in a proc reliant setting, or for aga killing.
the BLM will keep on going until it runs out of MP; which will be long before the SCH.
Greater number of nukes are utterly irrelevant as Tier V & IV can be spammed on SCH with occasional Helix.
You fail to see any of the OP's points methinks.
If a SCH wants to conserve MP, they'd use Parsimony. If you really want to out-epeen a BLM, you'd Ebullience, right?
Okay, so... Since you are saying SCH can manage mp so good and out-nuke a BLM, I'm going to assume you are using Parsimony+Ebullience every nuke. In that case, you'd only do maybe 3 nukes before you are out of stratagems. What then?
Black Mage will still be able to throw out nukes while you sit and play with your thumbs until you get stratagems.
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Barleycup said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Barleycup said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Barleycup said: »
For all thse posting about SCH having to use strategems to get close to BLM casting speed:
SCH can reach 80% Fast Cast cap now with some Rubeus set pieces. This means THEY CAN CAST AS FAST AS A BLM; HAVING THE SAME 80% FAST CAST CAP ON NUKES.
Thankyou.
SCH can reach 80% Fast Cast cap now with some Rubeus set pieces. This means THEY CAN CAST AS FAST AS A BLM; HAVING THE SAME 80% FAST CAST CAP ON NUKES.
Thankyou.
the fact that you structured the OP so poorly pretty much derails your point. You list all the pros for sch, pointing out things that blm can do as well, but fail to list that in the BLM pros. Its pretty hard to take you seriously when you cant even be serious about the benefits of both jobs in question.
How can i list the same pro's I have listed in SCH when the comparison is between the two? If you want to talk and deal with semantics then please understand the very nature of a comparison.
Its obvious you aren't good at this. You list the pros of each job, period. Listing that Sch can get 80% FC, but failing to list Blm can get 80% FC, is going to result in everyone pointing out that fact, which is exactly what happened in this thread. If you want to argue for sch fine, but showing the blatant bias and disrespect towards BLM in your OP is pretty much going to illegitamize your stance.
To answer your question, NO. No one is going to jump on the sch bandwagon to nuke things, because what exactly does sch nuke? Nothing. No event needs a sch to nuke things, they just need you to cure people. Better off comparing sch to whm.
Any BLm worth more than a spit on the road will know that they can easily reach 80% FC. Your rhetoric entirely misses the point and only go to further your aggressive answers. PLeas quote where i have shown or implied any disrespect to BLM; and may I remind you of being a BLM myself and having levelled the job before SCH.
done. Whatever point you think I'm missing, MY point is you do not know how to present a case. Hence this fail thread.
Well it is obvious blm can get 80%FC but how often do you see a blm with stun or enmity douse?
Barleycup said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Barleycup said: »
10k nukes in lolAbyssea are easily possible by SCH every nuke.
This is true even without the Pandemonium Warden Atma.
MM/Beyond/Ultimate atmas + Obi, Twilight Cape + Good SCH gear.
This is true even without the Pandemonium Warden Atma.
MM/Beyond/Ultimate atmas + Obi, Twilight Cape + Good SCH gear.
If this meant anything, don't you think people would have started to migrate to sch more than blms? Did that happen? No. So pretty safe to say if that can't make it happen, nothing will.
This isnt on Thunder's or Iceday.
Wow . .
Phoenix.Bomber said: »
Barleycup said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Barleycup said: »
10k nukes in lolAbyssea are easily possible by SCH every nuke.
This is true even without the Pandemonium Warden Atma.
MM/Beyond/Ultimate atmas + Obi, Twilight Cape + Good SCH gear.
This is true even without the Pandemonium Warden Atma.
MM/Beyond/Ultimate atmas + Obi, Twilight Cape + Good SCH gear.
If this meant anything, don't you think people would have started to migrate to sch more than blms? Did that happen? No. So pretty safe to say if that can't make it happen, nothing will.
This isnt on Thunder's or Iceday.
Wow . .
It isnt at all important, relevant or even impressive to nuke for 10k in abyssea. My only point in saying so was that BLM are incapable of reaching that number without set proc or some very convoluted -ja spamming.
BLM does not win in abyssea with -ja spells or Meteor.
It is very possible to run out of MP in abyssea. Even more so if you are BLM.
Do you see?
Pretty sure no one sees that because its false. lol
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Pretty sure no one sees that because its false. lol
Keep on living in the land of denial . .
If you havent seen or cannot belive those SCH nuke numbers then you havent been hanging about with the right Scholars (which admittedly is 99% of SCHs in ffxi).
Oh I believe them, what I dont believe is that a blm loses to a sch in abyssea, or a blm running out of mp in abyssea, but it doesnt matter, cuz no one brings blms or schs to abyssea for damage. Hell, I dont even bring blms or schs to abyssea in 2012 for anything, ever.
people bring blm and/or sch to anything for damage?
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Oh I believe them, what I dont believe is that a blm loses to a sch in abyssea, or a blm running out of mp in abyssea, but it doesnt matter, cuz no one brings blms or schs to abyssea for damage. Hell, I dont even bring blms or schs to abyssea in 2012 for anything, ever.
If you scroll up and open your eyes you will see my opinions on abyssea and my reasons for posting those numbers.
Do you enjoy placing words and opinions into people's mouths to further your rants?
Barleycup said: »
Phoenix.Bomber said: »
Barleycup said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Barleycup said: »
10k nukes in lolAbyssea are easily possible by SCH every nuke.
This is true even without the Pandemonium Warden Atma.
MM/Beyond/Ultimate atmas + Obi, Twilight Cape + Good SCH gear.
This is true even without the Pandemonium Warden Atma.
MM/Beyond/Ultimate atmas + Obi, Twilight Cape + Good SCH gear.
If this meant anything, don't you think people would have started to migrate to sch more than blms? Did that happen? No. So pretty safe to say if that can't make it happen, nothing will.
This isnt on Thunder's or Iceday.
Wow . .
It isnt at all important, relevant or even impressive to nuke for 10k in abyssea. My only point in saying so was that BLM are incapable of reaching that number without set proc or some very convoluted -ja spamming.
BLM does not win in abyssea with -ja spells or Meteor.
It is very possible to run out of MP in abyssea. Even more so if you are BLM.
Do you see?
i'm not ranting. I'm lol'ing. You ran away from my point earlier, you keep trying to hang on, despite it being a lost cause. My eyes have been opened, blm and sch nuking is useless. /thread.
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Oh I believe them, what I dont believe is that a blm loses to a sch in abyssea, or a blm running out of mp in abyssea, but it doesnt matter, cuz no one brings blms or schs to abyssea for damage. Hell, I dont even bring blms or schs to abyssea in 2012 for anything, ever.
You dont believe that a SCH nuking harder, for less mp, and more ability to conserve that mp, and doing more DOT via spells cast at the same 80% FC speed as BLM; and Helices will out DD a BLM in Abyssea?
Ok fair enough. . .
Please tell me wheere this mysterious extra damage a BLM is supposed to do is coming from?
Mars?
Uranus?
I believe bringing a war/mnk/nin/sam/thf/drk/drg or pretty much any other DD adds a lot more damage than bringing either a sch or a blm
Barleycup said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Oh I believe them, what I dont believe is that a blm loses to a sch in abyssea, or a blm running out of mp in abyssea, but it doesnt matter, cuz no one brings blms or schs to abyssea for damage. Hell, I dont even bring blms or schs to abyssea in 2012 for anything, ever.
You dont believe that a SCH nuking harder, for less mp, and more ability to conserve that mp, and doing more DOT via spells cast at the same 80% FC speed as BLM; and Helices will out DD a BLM in Abyssea?
Ok fair enough. . .
Please tell me wheere this mysterious extra damage a BLM is supposed to do is coming from?
Mars?
Uranus?
I was talking to Final(blm) Also a blm friend has been able to do... 12k(i think I have to double check) in vw
Shiva.Damonz said: »
I believe bringing a war/mnk/nin/sam/thf/drk/drg or pretty much any other DD adds a lot more damage than bringing either a sch or a blm
Cerberus.Ustav said: »
I was talking to Final(blm) Also a blm friend has been able to do... 12k(i think I have to double check) in vw
Yes Mischief from Bahamut has done 12k Vs Botulus Rex.
It was a MB'ed set proc.
Your point is?
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