Another Pro Choice Vs Pro Life Thread

Are you pro-choice or pro-life, why?

If Pro-life, are there any extreme circumstances you'd change your mind for? (rape, for example?)

And if you're wondering, yes, I'm just looking for an excuse to post this video

pro choice under circumstances.

if they mean to have a kid and if the woman could die in labor or was raped then i think its acceptable .

but if they just get pregnant constantly and abort it. then theres a problem

Pro choice all the way

Edit: Those guys are seriously funny as ***

Oh you, just when the Politics and Religion section was on break.

Im pro-choice because I really do believe that the choice lay with the woman (and by proxy the father) with regards to if they can handle the immense responsibility that comes with reproducing.

I've seen firsthand what happens when people aren't up to the task and how it can be a corrosive force on a would-be child brought up in a world where no one really cares about them. If the parents are going to be that way towards their offspring then yes, I'd rather these individuals not bring a child into the world.

Adoption agencies are already inundated with children who don't get adopted because they age within the system and no one wants "damaged goods" as it were. If you're not lucky enough to get adopted early, it's a roulette wheel with regards to where and how you end up as an adult.

With regards to the actual abortions late terms are often brought up by opponents but most doctors wouldn't do them in the first place. Early term abortions are no easy decision but should be available to persons who choose to use them. A baby isn't a baby in the early stages of pregnancy and the idea that birth begins at conception is wholly foreign to me. Cells (1st trimester) are very different from a functioning baby (3rd trimester).

Lastly more than anything I'm for education and lots of it. Kids need to know what sex is, know what safe sex entails and have access to birth control products in high schools. We're all fools if we don't think kids know what sex is in this era of hyper-sexualized everything. Even kids cartoons are loaded with sexual images pouring out of every orafice and kids are inquisitive little buggers. Some more than others obviously. Opponents to sex-ed programs are doing young adults a disservice and further perpetuating the problem of unplanned pregnancies leading to abortions.

With greater education, the rates of abortions would go down and unplanned pregnancies would be less likely to result from "experimentation". A pregnancy should not spell the end of a woman's life because of a mistake.

Pro-choice

I don't like the thought of abortions but I wouldn't necessarily take the choice away. Many women would just do it illegally anyways and it would open up a whole different world of issues/complications.

I think we're getting to the point in civilization where we need to start setting some sort of bar not for pro-choice or pro-life, but if you're a decent enough person to have a child in the first place. While I admit that kind of screening and policing would be massive to undertake and is never going to happen, it's heartbreaking to take a look at my little girl then imagine all the other millions of little girls out there that are living in abuse and terrible conditions just because some psycho got pregnant.

Bolded: It's impossible to gauge that capacity.

I don't think the law or even God should have a say what goes on in a woman's body.. Hey if God has a problem with it, he could just work a miracle and make the abortion not happen, or the baby miraculously come back after it had already been aborted..

The law shouldn't have any say in it, at all..

I feel it is archaic for the choice to lie with only one of the parents, however there is and should be the right to decide, either way.

I don't think a woman should have to go through birth just because the father doesn't agree with the abortion.. And it's kinda hard to find any middle ground in there.. But if that were law, then a guy could force a woman to go through with the birth just to be an ***..

When science can let the man carry the baby and birth it, then I'll support both parents having to agree.

So then it's okay for the child to be born against his wishes and okay for him to pay for it?

The middle ground is he says "Abortion go". She says "I want to keep it"

He files paperwork annulling any relation with the child and forfeiting any rights she has to his money.

Pro choice. I don't think anyone should have to keep a baby (under any circumstances) if they don't want to.

That's the risk you run when you have sex.. I feel abortion should be 100% the woman's choice.. It's her body and her mind that is most likely to suffer from either choice..

I dunno what to tell you though.. I mean if you're having sex, you have to face the fact that you may end up having a kid.. If you're not mature enough to step up IF something does happen, then you're not mature enough to be having sex.. Go to the drug store and pick up some tissues and lotion.

I guess that's kinda that point that I was trying to make with the second part, and why I said it would never happen. It almost seems like the best we can do now is put more pressure on welfare to actually follow up on complaints and remove children, but most of the time they don't have anywhere to put them and foster homes/parents can be just as nasty.

Maybe an overall/better solution is working on improving the welfare system and making more parent help/resources.

Pro-choice.

The egg I crack open to put in my pancake batter tomorrow morning will not be considered animal cruelty towards chickens.

If I step on an acorn, and smash it, I didn't kill a tree.

A zygote or fetus is not a human being ... at least not yet.

Granted, I believe the government has a right to restrict third-trimester abortions ... because the line does have to be drawn somewhere, and there have to be consequences for those who cross that line.

If ya can't pay the time don't do the crime? If ya can't afford a kid don't ***? Same thing really. I know for a fact that to many people say that's bs... well fine use protection...... Can't take the time out of your day to use a pill? *** if my elderly bat ***insane grandma can do it and she's got alzheimers, then some woman can take a pill. It's called laziness, which then case use a condom? Condoms don't have the same feeling as raw and I don't like it.... use thin? If then still bitching here's an alternate solution for ya.... Don't have sex.


That's the problem with most unwanted pregnancies. To many idiot teens who think they know everything. Also to many idiot so-called adults who are even worse in maturity. Then decide they want to keep it. I say all men at the age of 13 needs their ***tied and when they wanna have a kid some day have it undone and make them pay the bill so then it's absolute. Hey you are gonna foot the bill for a child and all the medical bills for that.. what's untying your vas def? If you are serious about having a kid you are serious.

Also in the case of rape hey there ya go now the unwanted pregnancy there as well is gone. Yes there's a chance the it can fail... but it's way more effective than not having anything at all. But let's be honest... the pregnancies of rape to normal consensual sex pregnancies are not even close in numbers. *also adding in the fact that many rape victims don't report it*

What I'm saying is... so many pregnancies are because of irresponsible people and it's not fair to them kids. Though abortion for the sake of abortion isn't even healthy to the woman as it is as well. So it's a toss up between pro-choice and pro-life for me. It's a situational thing, but idiots are idiots. It also doesn't help with how many parents out there aren't even talking to their kids about safe sex, or even building responsible parent-child relations. My mom and me had our talks. I had sex before marriage before 18 before what ev. I also was smart enough to use a condom. She said she was on the pill... idc I said I'm still using a condom.

I'm afraid I'm a bit of a walking oxymoron on the subject.

I'm against abortion, because not even scientists have been able to tell the exact moment where life begins.

However, I am pro-choice. I think that there are circumstances where an abortion may be necessary. If I was raped, I would likely decline to carry my attacker's child to term. Some women are strong enough for that. I am not one of them. If it was determined that my child would have a painful and incurable disease that would give them a miserable life of agony, I would wish to abort and spare them a life of pain. If carrying the child to term or birthing the child was very likely to kill me, I may or may not choose to abort but I assure you my husband would want an abortion. (And as far as I am concerned, my husband does have just as much say in the matter as I do. It takes two to make a child.)(Edit: If he was just my boyfriend, I may feel differently on that count. But as a husband and wife team, I would value his input just as much as my own.)

I do not think abortion should be used as birth control. If you couldn't be bothered to put on a condom, then I am not really going to be bothered to be understanding when you want to abort the child. (On the flip side of that coin is the issue that people who can't be bothered to put on a condom may also be less responsible parents, but that's a whole other issue.)

What I think people should be focusing on instead is education concerning birth control. Every child should be taught sex ed by middle school or early high school, before they are likely to become sexually active. Instead of teaching teens that sex is wrong and they just shouldn't do it (such as what I was taught), we should teach teens that sex is natural but there are things you should do to make it safe. If we reduce the number of pregnancies, then I think the number of abortions would also go down.

The first time I heard a "my wife had an abortion when I didn't want her to" story I couldn't help but feel a little sad for the guy. Even as a woman, I feel like it kinda sucks for guys, but this sums it up pretty good:

Edit: just wanted to add that the (at least imo) the only case this should differ, or where the man should have a significant say, is in a marriage or a long term relationship. An abortion in this case would be a pretty big deal and could be damaging to the relationship if it was done and wasn't agreed upon by both partners.

Why does this maturity not extend to the woman then? Why is it solely her choice to bring life into the world, when we all know it really means bring financial burden upon a (potentially) unwanting father?

I agree. If you're having sex, you run the risk of fathering a child. Sex isn't a function required for survival. It's your choice to have sex, consider the risk beforehand.

Although, if I ever did conceive a child with an idiot and he wanted nothing to do with the baby, I'd say good riddance and gtfo.

even after the birth of my niece i am still pro-choice

Your question has already been answered.. I bolded it for you.

I also covered the second part (the financial burden part) as well.. I'll underline that..

This isn't a party favor, this isn't like drinking a beer or something, it carries extreme ramifications.. There is no 100% safe sex..

If you aren't ready to be a mother or father, then don't ***. Simple as that. There's always the chance that's exactly where it will lead and you have no one to blame but yourself. Why should the woman be subjected to possible psychological trauma by having an abortion forced on her because some dude thought he was just gonna hit it and quit it and then things got real?

Why should a guy be forced into financial obligation and possible psychological trauma and years of debt?

Oh wait, the woman doesn't have to accept any consequences, she can have an abortion. She has 100% safe sex, she can shuck the burden of being a mother, or impose the burden of being a financial father upon someone else. She can realistically accept no responsibility for her actions and continue living her life, assuming the guy pays the money.

If you want society to be equal, you are first going to have to accept that women are not a victim of sex if they get pregnant.

I'll say this... he shouldn't have had sex with her... but that being said.. she shouldn't have had sex with him. Sex both parties (except in the case of rape... but it can work both ways.. men have been raped by women... it has happened... in fact less men report they have been raped then women if you were to scale it down.) Either way if you can't at least use protection then you can't even *** about abortion.

Because he made the choice to ***..

Man's financial responsibility =/= woman's psychological trauma..

Yes she played a part in it too, but I put someone's mental health over someone's bank account..

And ipso facto you can't *** about not getting paid.