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Validity, Pros, and Cons, Of 5/5+2 Empyrean set.
Siren.Ilax
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By Siren.Ilax 2011-01-25 13:35:30
Ramuh.Laffter said: Siren.Ilax said: Bahamut.Lolserj said: Serj said: Fenrir.Ilax said: and i mean, common where all the super dumb picture... oh wait maybe you already empty all the internet already?...
Too bad you need make your own now, but you too dumb to even do that lmfao.. is w/e here seriously...
What the *** does this even mean?
something about *** his cousin
idk
No no was about how your mother should suck more to avoid born more dumb ppl like you, but i guess that was also too hard to understand. Um, whut?
I said ask you wife to suck more!
Lakshmi.Tokuzi
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By Lakshmi.Tokuzi 2011-01-25 13:35:38
Siren.Ilax said: Bahamut.Lolserj said: Siren.Ilax said: Bahamut.Lolserj said: Serj said: Fenrir.Ilax said: and i mean, common where all the super dumb picture... oh wait maybe you already empty all the internet already?...
Too bad you need make your own now, but you too dumb to even do that lmfao.. is w/e here seriously...
What the *** does this even mean?
something about *** his cousin
idk
No no was about how your mother should suck more to avoid born more dumb ppl like you, but i guess that was also too hard to understand.
to avoid born more dumb people like me?
huh .... ok no comment.
No comment.
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By Sylph.Biginallways 2011-01-25 13:39:27
Ummm, can mods lock this already?
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2011-01-25 13:39:38
Siren.Ilax said: Ramuh.Laffter said: Siren.Ilax said: Bahamut.Lolserj said: Serj said: Fenrir.Ilax said: and i mean, common where all the super dumb picture... oh wait maybe you already empty all the internet already?...
Too bad you need make your own now, but you too dumb to even do that lmfao.. is w/e here seriously...
What the *** does this even mean?
something about *** his cousin
idk
No no was about how your mother should suck more to avoid born more dumb ppl like you, but i guess that was also too hard to understand. Um, whut?
I said ask you wife to suck more!
You said mother.
Bahamut.Lolserj
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-01-25 13:40:09
Sylph.Biginallways said: Ummm, can mods lock this already?
We're having too much fun >:(
Caitsith.Crunkie
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By Caitsith.Crunkie 2011-01-25 13:40:18
google babelfish, translate from your language to English and copy+paste so we know exactly what you are saying.
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Siren.Ilax
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By Siren.Ilax 2011-01-25 13:46:59
Bahamut.Lolserj said: Sylph.Biginallways said: Ummm, can mods lock this already?
We're having too much fun >:(
Ya, of course is so much better to make fun of ppl instead talking about anything else..
Mod should do some clean up and ban ppl like me that post stuff with mistake and keep all the jerk in the forum, so FFXIAH would be 100% troll posting.
Way way better.
Bahamut.Lolserj
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-01-25 13:48:09
Siren.Ilax said: Bahamut.Lolserj said: Sylph.Biginallways said: Ummm, can mods lock this already?
We're having too much fun >:(
Ya, of course is so much better to make fun of ppl instead talking about anything else..
Mod should do some clean up and ban ppl like me that post stuff with mistake and keep all the jerk in the forum, so FFXIAH would be 100% troll posting.
Way way better.
idk, i think you're the one being a jerk
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By Titan.Darkwizardzin 2011-01-25 13:48:28
You might want to try another website Karbuncle because apperently the topic on this post is gonna be a everyone vs. Ilax. :/
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By Lakshmi.Hypnotizd 2011-01-25 13:49:03
Siren.Ilax
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By Siren.Ilax 2011-01-25 13:49:47
Bahamut.Lolserj said: Siren.Ilax said: Bahamut.Lolserj said: Sylph.Biginallways said: Ummm, can mods lock this already?
We're having too much fun >:(
Ya, of course is so much better to make fun of ppl instead talking about anything else..
Mod should do some clean up and ban ppl like me that post stuff with mistake and keep all the jerk in the forum, so FFXIAH would be 100% troll posting.
Way way better.
idk, i think you're the one being a jerk
Being a jerk bc ppl are acting the same, and w/e i post, there always one ready to troll no matter the damn subject.
Bahamut.Lolserj
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-01-25 13:52:36
Siren.Ilax said: Bahamut.Lolserj said: Siren.Ilax said: Bahamut.Lolserj said: Sylph.Biginallways said: Ummm, can mods lock this already?
We're having too much fun >:(
Ya, of course is so much better to make fun of ppl instead talking about anything else..
Mod should do some clean up and ban ppl like me that post stuff with mistake and keep all the jerk in the forum, so FFXIAH would be 100% troll posting.
Way way better.
idk, i think you're the one being a jerk
Being a jerk bc ppl are acting the same, and w/e i post, there always one ready to troll no matter the damn subject.
looking at the past posts makes it seem like you were being a bit of a jerk first
so i wouldn't blame them
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Siren.Ilax
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By Siren.Ilax 2011-01-25 13:54:38
Titan.Darkwizardzin said: You might want to try another website Karbuncle because apperently the topic on this post is gonna be a everyone vs. Ilax. :/
Correction, is Hater VS. Relic owner.
that resume perfectly all the retard comment i got form everyone the past yr i posted on ffxiah.
When i post do i look at ppl gear and call them noob? no, but look at everything i post, ppl jump instantly on any stupid thing like a blitz ring mistake i did, or the adler ring that IMO better for TP, idc what ppl wear, they should STFU for what i am using.
At least they could say: You shouldnt use this bc of this and that, no that is too hard for they small brain, is way more fun to make fun of it like a jerk..
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Caitsith.Crunkie
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By Caitsith.Crunkie 2011-01-25 13:58:46
maybe if you posted relevant information that was correct instead of saying that twilight dagger negates triple attack when it doesn't, and there was actually postings somewhere in thf forums where they proved that topic. you were the douche first and of course everybody is going to say things back.
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Siren.Ilax
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By Siren.Ilax 2011-01-25 14:00:12
I was explaining why Triplus dagger should be better then twilight...
I WASNT EXPLAINING HOW MY GRAMMAR SUX...
I even posted my MATHS, it was wrong? What was wrong? Only 1 decent reply was about the -3% i stated was wrong and ended to be .9%
FORUM ARE HERE TO TALK, not to flame everyone as soon you have a god damn possibility.
Pfff.. or FFXIAH is just that?.. weak ***if is the case. just weak ***.
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Quetzalcoatl.Natlow
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By Quetzalcoatl.Natlow 2011-01-25 14:00:18
Siren.Ilax said: Bahamut.Lolserj said: Sylph.Biginallways said: Ummm, can mods lock this already?
We're having too much fun >:(
Ya, of course is so much better to make fun of ppl instead talking about anything else..
Mod should do some clean up and ban ppl like me that post stuff with mistake and keep all the jerk in the forum, so FFXIAH would be 100% troll posting.
Way way better.
ITT: Excelcior is from Zimbabwe.
Also, I can't believe I missed out on this drama. Usually it a case of: Go to sleep, wake up, miss drama. This time, I was gone for about 15 mins, just to chop potatoes and BAM!
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-01-25 14:00:22
Did you really just pull the "I have a relic so I'm better than you" card?
Siren.Ilax
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By Siren.Ilax 2011-01-25 14:01:29
Caitsith.Crunkie said: maybe if you posted relevant information that was correct instead of saying that twilight dagger negates triple attack when it doesn't, and there was actually postings somewhere in thf forums where they proved that topic. you were the douche first and of course everybody is going to say things back.
it do nagates, i was maybe wrong for 3%, but it do negate .9%
Siren.Ilax
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By Siren.Ilax 2011-01-25 14:04:26
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Did you really just pull the "I have a relic so I'm better than you" card?
Relic are nothing special, just a damn weapon that took me close to 2yr to accomplish. IS NOTHING BETTER THEN ANYONE, but apparently ppl think, hey this guy have relic and wear this ***LAME...
pff this is kind of stupid reaction of ppl. I dont look at ppl gear and say: Meh this guy have full Hecatomb but no Mandau WTF NOOB.
but how many you think looked at me and say: oh wow this guy have mandau but no full heca...
I'm tire of that ***, is getting real old.
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2011-01-25 14:04:50
Ilax, are you drunk >_____________>?
Siren.Ilax
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By Siren.Ilax 2011-01-25 14:06:01
Quetzalcoatl.Natlow said: Siren.Ilax said: Bahamut.Lolserj said: Sylph.Biginallways said: Ummm, can mods lock this already?
We're having too much fun >:(
Ya, of course is so much better to make fun of ppl instead talking about anything else..
Mod should do some clean up and ban ppl like me that post stuff with mistake and keep all the jerk in the forum, so FFXIAH would be 100% troll posting.
Way way better.
ITT: Excelcior is from Zimbabwe.
Also, I can't believe I missed out on this drama. Usually it a case of: Go to sleep, wake up, miss drama. This time, I was gone for about 15 mins, just to chop potatoes and BAM!
Why you have so much more brillant stuff to say? LEt talk abotu your gear ok, so we can make fun of you too.
Quetzalcoatl.Natlow
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By Quetzalcoatl.Natlow 2011-01-25 14:06:58
Siren.Ilax said: Quetzalcoatl.Natlow said: Siren.Ilax said: Bahamut.Lolserj said: Sylph.Biginallways said: Ummm, can mods lock this already?
We're having too much fun >:(
Ya, of course is so much better to make fun of ppl instead talking about anything else..
Mod should do some clean up and ban ppl like me that post stuff with mistake and keep all the jerk in the forum, so FFXIAH would be 100% troll posting.
Way way better.
ITT: Excelcior is from Zimbabwe.
Also, I can't believe I missed out on this drama. Usually it a case of: Go to sleep, wake up, miss drama. This time, I was gone for about 15 mins, just to chop potatoes and BAM!
Why you have so much more brillant stuff to say? LEt talk abotu your gear ok, so we can make fun of you too.
Go for it.
Caitsith.Crunkie
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By Caitsith.Crunkie 2011-01-25 14:07:12
you either get quad attack proc or triple attack proc, they can both happen... you must not have the weapon or some ***. cuz i just put this on and went and hit some ***and got triple attack proc, and few minutes later I got a quad proc. do the testing and quit saying ***you havnt tested.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-01-25 14:08:33
Siren.Ilax said: Correction, is Hater VS. Relic owner.
I hate your relic so much. It's not like anyone with the resources to get a relic could get a superior weapon in about a week or anything.
Quote: At least they could say: You shouldnt use this bc of this and that,
Adler Ring sucks because there are three distinct scenarios:
1. Accuracy capped. Awesome... why am I taking -12 Attack again?
2. Accuracy just about capped with it (rare). It is actually okay here though a 7acc ring would be better.
3. Accuracy way under cap. Examine food/atma choices. If still, examine why you're meleeing.
And this is all assuming you don't have Epona's. If you do, Epona's/Rajas all day. If you don't, Hoard/Rajas or Heed/Rajas or whatever.
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Siren.Ilax
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By Siren.Ilax 2011-01-25 14:11:57
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: Ilax, are you drunk >_____________>?
Not drunk, just tire of hater.
Like that stupid dumb *** Viper on fenrir, talk ***about Triplus dagger, but unable to freaking kill 1/100 of NM i kill every day.
Oh yes i can see all the comment coming like: cool story bro, you my hero...
Pff go to hell you dumb ppl, not talking how huge is my penis, talking about fact of what i do and what ppl pretend is better and do ***nothing everyday.
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2011-01-25 14:13:36
Denial
Quetzalcoatl.Natlow
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By Quetzalcoatl.Natlow 2011-01-25 14:14:41
I just checked his bazaar. 10M for a twilight knife? Sounds like a good deal. I might hop over there and pick one up.
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Siren.Ilax
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By Siren.Ilax 2011-01-25 14:15:09
Caitsith.Crunkie said: you either get quad attack proc or triple attack proc, they can both happen... you must not have the weapon or some ***. cuz i just put this on and went and hit some ***and got triple attack proc, and few minutes later I got a quad proc. do the testing and quit saying ***you havnt tested.
dude i never said you can't tripple attack with Twilight dagger, wtf...
QA BYPASS TA
that mean QA have a chance to byapass TA on Twilight dagger.
never said TA wont happen with twilight, wtf ppl seriously.
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Bahamut.Enkidou
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By Bahamut.Enkidou 2011-01-25 14:16:06
Best part about not having every job at level 90 is the sex in female vagina's in real life.
It's neat.
Quetzalcoatl.Natlow
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By Quetzalcoatl.Natlow 2011-01-25 14:17:50
Siren.Ilax said: Caitsith.Crunkie said: you either get quad attack proc or triple attack proc, they can both happen... you must not have the weapon or some ***. cuz i just put this on and went and hit some ***and got triple attack proc, and few minutes later I got a quad proc. do the testing and quit saying ***you havnt tested.
dude i never said you can't tripple attack with Twilight dagger, wtf...
QA BYPASS TA
that mean QA have a chance to byapass TA on Twilight dagger.
never said TA wont happen with twilight, wtf ppl seriously.
And we wouldn't want to attack four times instead of three now would we. Good Lord no.
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I'd like to first cite this:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Estoqueur%27s_+2_Armor_Set
For those of you too busy to search through it, At the bottom, it implies that wearing the full set grants a bonus above expected with the previous pieces.
Elaborating, 2 pieces extends Duration of buffs casted on others under the effects of Composure by 10%, 3 gives 20%, and so on. 5/5 Expected bonus was 40%, however the bonus is 62.5%, proving, more or less, that it appears full +2 Set grants a bonus to the "Set bonus" beyond expected values.
now, With optimal gear on THF, it is possible to reach 24% Haste and full 5/5+2, (25% if you wear Rapidus, I would not), through means of the following:
*Raider's+2 Head - 6%
*Raider's+2 Body - 5%
*Raider's+2 Legs - 5%
*Twilight Belt - 7%
*Tiercal Necklace- 1%
This totals 24% Haste (About 1.4~% from true haste cap)
Now, The assumed value of Triple Damage proc on THF+2 with 2 sets was 1%, 3 2%, etc etc, up to 5/5 expected 4%, now, If its like RDM set, it means we might expect to see about a 6% Proc rate on 5/5+2, 3% more over 4/5 (Which is usually required to cap haste safely for THF).
Now i know the "Triple Damage" is not a straight mod, there is something further at work here, as with a short test on Fear (?) mobs in Abyssea-Altepa, my Average SA in my TP gear showed about average ~900~1,100 Damage (which for the test was 5/5 THF+2). Activated a "set bonus" to see a 4,300 Damage Sneak Attack, Well beyond expect "3x" Value of 3,300. Others have reported strange Damage spikes beyond the norm, so it could not be just a simple "3x" mod.
No, I know its usefulness will widely vary based on your current gear/buffs due to them having a direct impact on Triple Attack rate. I'd like for the sake of Argument to assume a 34% Triple Attack rate:
10%Base(merits)
3% Head
3% Ring
3% Dagger
15% AoA
There is also a bit to factor in current Haste (buffs/songs), Dual Wield, etc, to determine if you're getting truly that last 1% haste as well.
I'd like the opinion of fellow THFs. I have found myself in Abyssea TP'ing in 5/5 THF+2 simply for the added rate of Set-bonus rate, And it is to my liking, seeing ~600 DMG Critsx3 in succession with some luck has favored me toward it. But i often times question is validity or usefulness.
So, In conclusion, I question, Is the assumed gain of a 3% chance to 'Triple' your damage output via Triple Attack worth a sacrificing in 1% Haste value? 0.~4% if using Rapidus?
I would much appreciate any Input and discussion on the subject, as i really have no other person to ask.
(The one i did usually ask has more or less been on hiatus for a while)
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