Hecatomb Questions

Okay, okay, I know I'm totally going to get flamed for saying this, lots of people nowadays are very narrow-minded in FFXI, but hear me out for a second.

Imagine, if you will, a simple WAR or DRK in a party (GA WAR, none of that Ridill/Joyeuse crap). They hit pretty hard with their normal melee swings, yes? In fact, their melee swings end up being the bulk of their damage over time, 60-80% of their total damage. Boosting the damage of their melee attacks only increases their damage over time. Sure, Haste and Accuracy can do that too, but for the purposes of normal melee attacks, there's nothing that boosts their damage more than a bit of STR and Attack. That means you're boosting the majority of your damage, rather than people who gear for WS, which only boosts around 30% of your DoT, while simultaneously lowering the damage output of your melee swings.

Every job, with the exception of SAM, gets more damage out of TPing than actually using that TP. This is the reason that a GA WAR will beat a Ridill WAR every time, provided they both have adequate gear.

That being said, I do not condone the use of gear with SLOW on it for TPing. That's stupid. It might work for THF, and make you hit more like a Dual-Axe WAR, but I don't know, and I don't care enough to try. I'm saying that STR will do more than Haste for your melee attacks and essentially your total damage.

Go ahead. Go parse it. The reason everyone thinks otherwise is because everyone nowadays follows the BG fad when lots of their info is false.

To answer your question, Alyria, for any job that can use Hecatomb, you can't go wrong macroing it in for a WS. There's better stuff, sure, but there's a LOT of worse stuff too.

Are u serious ? lol
a full heca set on thf is nice imo, for WS only of course.
expecially if you own a subligar +1 as i do, the 22 attk and DEX on it is sweet
But i do agree with ares being better depending on the job etc.

Not parsed, but I did use a calculator to find averages

claiming you have sources of information

I just don't get what this discussion is about.

I think Smurfo woke up on the wrong side of the bed or something. No one was arguing with him, but he just stormed in and started bashing everyone.

I think for most typical melees 2hand might be better, but if you gear a multi-hit build right imo it still trumps Gaxe. Esp. since birds are weak to piercing i.e. joyeuse, it crits like crazy.

Anyway i'm sure some Gaxe fanboy will rip this post apart but whatever, fact is i know i do more as /nin with dual wield than gimping myself out with a 2hander as /nin, that's the one thing that drove me away from that job, people all still expect /nin but also expect you to use a gimp 2hander weapon even though your sub isn't geared for it.

blah blah blah

Oh. I didn't even see that last post by Saiya. Alright, here goes.



I don't get it. I never said I had sources of information.

You did. You said "This is what JPs do, they've moved on from the Haste/Hagun fad". You claimed you knew this because you are Japanese, and you know how your people act. This is a claim to a source of information^^. So i asked for you to use that source to provide suitable proof, seems fair?

And if you've calculated averages manually, fair enough, you've proven it to yourself. But you can't really try to push your argument and expect people to be receptive when you've been so inadequate in terms of proof =/ (sorry to keep overusing the word).

And Smurfo, you took it all far too personally. His post only incolved you circumstancially at best, and you;re dramatising it. We're in the meat of something here, wait your turn ^^.

you've proven it to yourself. But you can't really try to push your argument and expect people to be receptive when you've been so inadequate in terms of proof =/

And besides, for a 2h GA Raging Rush build, what would you take over Heca Subligar, Bearing in mind the Att+ as well? And Heca feet? What foot piece for WAR WS trumps STR+6 DEX+3?

Using Hecatomb for TPing would be like a BLM nuking in Magic Attack minus. I just don't get what this discussion is about.

@Blazza, there is a soft cap to Attack/STR, but that's really only prevalent on Too Weak mobs. You notice that melee weapons rarely hit higher than 300 on most mobs LV1-50 or so. Ranged Attacks have a much more leniant cap, as I've hit 800 with a ranged attack on a LV10 mob (And 6k with a Slug Shot, on THF.) But it takes a lot of STR to cap vs. VT/IT mobs. A lot more than any player could reasonably obtain.

I don't expect anyone to believe me. These are just my findings, and in the face of an overwhelmingly large group of people in support of Haste/ACC for TPing, the smaller people are always going to lose. Besides...We've already seen first-hand how people respond to a foreign concept (/sea all Frobeus).

I'm very serious when I say, if you can show a better way to do things, with the numbers to back it up, I'd change the way I gear and play Sam in a heartbeat.

Okay. How's this?

For starters, don't let people like Frobeus or me influence the way you play jobs. Play them how you want, it's guaranteed to be 2.65x as fun. -Uses numbers to make it sound more factual-

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@Frobeus - In my mind Ares isn't as obtainable as Heca Feet, but the point is well taken. But if I were to WS on RR in all heca except body, no one could say it was gimp, right?^^Wearing 4 pieces of Heca could indeed be considered a 'sgnificant boost' =p (in fact I just need head and feet and that's what i'll be doing. Legs i'm using Byakko's till I can get something better than both the Subligar & Haidate.)

Jeez, do you have to disagree with everything I say?

Hagun is good! (Heh.)

wow...well 3 pages for 2 questions lol O.o

I think I'll stick to saving my 500k, wear a hauberk and use my Osode still lol at least til I can have playtime to actually do assaults and salvage.