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Souleater
Cerberus.Kvazz
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-11-28 07:43:03
No, souleater does NOT increase your magic damage... MELEE ATTACKS ONRY.
Lakshmi.Kyi
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By Lakshmi.Kyi 2010-11-28 07:44:37
BorealisV2 said: Lakshmi.Kyi said: Now for the real question, instead of removing souleater as soon as you have done guillotine, isnt better to leave it on and use drain 2 and drain, doing 10% more damage each drain spell cast or is drain not counted as an attack.
You make me ashamed to be British. and you were proud before >.>
Lakshmi.Kyi
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By Lakshmi.Kyi 2010-11-28 07:48:11
Cerberus.Kvazz said: No, souleater does NOT increase your magic damage... MELEE ATTACKS ONRY.
Ah I see a differing opinion, where does it say souleater is melee only
Bismarck.Tuvae
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By Bismarck.Tuvae 2010-11-28 07:50:15
Going to test it right now
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Cerberus.Kvazz
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-11-28 07:50:35
Lakshmi.Kyi said: Cerberus.Kvazz said: No, souleater does NOT increase your magic damage... MELEE ATTACKS ONRY.
Ah I see a differing opinion, where does it say souleater is melee only
Dont say anywhere, but I have DRK at level 85, and it never worked with drain or ele magic before.. so yeah >_>
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Bismarck.Tuvae
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By Bismarck.Tuvae 2010-11-28 07:53:00
It does not enchance magic. Nor does it drain any HP.
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Cerberus.Kvazz
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-11-28 07:56:10
Not like BLM would really need the 10% extra dmg anyways, and it would just be 5% from /drk..
It still drains 10%, but only convert 5% of it into dmg.
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Lakshmi.Kyi
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By Lakshmi.Kyi 2010-11-28 07:58:59
in conclusion, if magic attacks are not increased in doing any more damage and you are sub blm\drk only having the mana wall souleater on is a waste because your not doing any more damage and the only time it would be useful would be if you were a melee blm....yeah right as if they are doing to be doing that any time soon with \drk. So to answer my original question, souleater mana wall is about a useless as a pld now.
Ramuh.Lorzy
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By Ramuh.Lorzy 2010-11-28 07:59:37
nobody said it was useful.
Cerberus.Kvazz
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-11-28 08:00:17
Lakshmi.Kyi said: in conclusion, if magic attacks are not increased in doing any more damage and you are sub blm\drk only having the mana wall souleater on is a waste because your not doing any more damage and the only time it would be useful would be if you were a melee blm....yeah right as if they are doing to be doing that any time soon with \drk. So to answer my original question, souleater mana wall is about a useless as a pld now.
Empyrial staff is actually decent for meleeing ;)
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Lakshmi.Kyi
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By Lakshmi.Kyi 2010-11-28 08:12:04
Cerberus.Kvazz said: Lakshmi.Kyi said: in conclusion, if magic attacks are not increased in doing any more damage and you are sub blm\drk only having the mana wall souleater on is a waste because your not doing any more damage and the only time it would be useful would be if you were a melee blm....yeah right as if they are doing to be doing that any time soon with \drk. So to answer my original question, souleater mana wall is about a useless as a pld now.
Empyrial staff is actually decent for meleeing ;)
So you are saying blm\drk melee is what you want >.>
Ramuh.Lorzy
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By Ramuh.Lorzy 2010-11-28 08:17:00
so you decide that blm/drk is viable because someone mentioned the effects of mana wall on souleater, and then when you finally believe everyone who says that souleater doesn't affect magic damage, you act like someone who's making a joke is stupid?
Lakshmi.Kyi
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By Lakshmi.Kyi 2010-11-28 08:21:17
Ramuh.Lorzy said: so you decide that blm/drk is viable because someone mentioned the effects of mana wall on souleater, and then when you finally believe everyone who says that souleater doesn't affect magic damage, you act like someone who's making a joke is stupid? No not at all, I asked a question and was surprised at the answers people gave. I said a blm\drk would be viable IF it did in fact cause more damage. But then I went and tested the answers people gave and came to the conclusion the original answers were bs.
Lakshmi.Kyi
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By Lakshmi.Kyi 2010-11-28 08:23:18
Why did anyone think mana wall souleatern was imortant enough to post in wiki was why I asked the original question. The conclusion is, they just posted it because it happens not because its useful.
Ramuh.Lorzy
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By Ramuh.Lorzy 2010-11-28 08:24:33
what original answers? who said souleater affected magic damage?
blm/drk still wouldn't be that useful even if it did, anyway.
Lakshmi.Kyi
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By Lakshmi.Kyi 2010-11-28 08:36:16
And to all the drk that dont leave souleater on after ws, your a bunch of panies, your role is to do as much damage as you can, you are not the tank, you can manage your own hp with well timed dark seals, nether void and drain1 and drain 2. You can even manage your enmity with merits.
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By Sylph.Hitetsu 2010-11-28 08:51:07
You're the DRK I always forgot to cure on WHM~ =)
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Lakshmi.Kyi
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By Lakshmi.Kyi 2010-11-28 08:55:24
Sylph.Hitetsu said: You're the DRK I always forgot to cure on WHM~ =) Im the drk that dont need the whm to cure. If drk needs a whm cure then we are only as good as a war.
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By Sylph.Hitetsu 2010-11-28 08:57:33
Keeping Souleater on fulltime Pre-Abyssea?
Yeah, you needed a healer to save your ***.
Lakshmi.Kyi
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By Lakshmi.Kyi 2010-11-28 09:00:37
I have always kept souleater on ever since I have had my drk. I am a mage first and I know how to manage healing and curing and how to use enmity. A lesson a lot of DDs need to learn. My dark has only died probaby less than 30 times from 0 to 85. Less drks die alot.
By BorealisV2 2010-11-28 09:59:45
The amount of HURRDURR in this thread is overwhelming. It's all coming from one person...
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Phoenix.Fredjan
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2010-11-28 10:06:13
Cerberus.Kvazz said: MELEE ATTACKS ONRY. That, and the avatar, is /win.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-11-28 10:07:19
My head hurts...
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By Asura.Matzilla 2010-11-28 10:17:58
Lakshmi.Kyi said: Ramuh.Lorzy said: so you decide that blm/drk is viable because someone mentioned the effects of mana wall on souleater, and then when you finally believe everyone who says that souleater doesn't affect magic damage, you act like someone who's making a joke is stupid? No not at all, I asked a question and was surprised at the answers people gave. I said a blm\drk would be viable IF it did in fact cause more damage. But then I went and tested the answers people gave and came to the conclusion the original answers were bs.
all I'm seeing here is blm/drk
and I dont like it
Cerberus.Kvazz
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-11-28 10:35:24
Lakshmi.Kyi said: Cerberus.Kvazz said: Lakshmi.Kyi said: in conclusion, if magic attacks are not increased in doing any more damage and you are sub blm\drk only having the mana wall souleater on is a waste because your not doing any more damage and the only time it would be useful would be if you were a melee blm....yeah right as if they are doing to be doing that any time soon with \drk. So to answer my original question, souleater mana wall is about a useless as a pld now.
Empyrial staff is actually decent for meleeing ;)
So you are saying blm\drk melee is what you want >.>
Not what I'm saying :P But once I finish the staff I'll try it for teh lulz!
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-11-28 13:11:58
what the hell just happened here...
Phoenix.Bleube
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By Phoenix.Bleube 2010-11-28 17:34:06
what is this?
i dont even...
By Ltbigbang 2010-11-28 18:02:32
Lakshmi.Kyi said: I have always kept souleater on ever since I have had my drk. I am a mage first and I know how to manage healing and curing and how to use enmity. A lesson a lot of DDs need to learn. My dark has only died probaby less than 30 times from 0 to 85. Less drks die alot. udumb
sounds like another know it all "drk can do anything I want" kinda drk I know that will /whm in abyssea parties and try to haste and cure their whole party while fulltime DD'ing in vampire cloak. gogo gimp drks.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-11-28 18:05:33
The lack of reading comprehension in here is amazing.
Looking at you, Kyi.
Shiva.Daimos
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-11-28 18:07:32
Lakshmi.Kyi said: we are only as good as a war. You wish :D
Just curious if anyone has tried full timing souleater latley, honestly with all the Huge HP buffs we have(I sit on 2.5k HP), and mages having nearly an infinite supply of MP, I dont see it being an issue anymore.
Ive been playing WHM alot more than normal latley and I seriously dont run out of mp ever just spamming the hell out of Cure V. I have 23 Tic refresh when im getting refresh II, even more with Ballads. Plus everytime a WHM cures you you have a temporary Stoneskin.
Dunno I think with a competent enough WHM healing you DRK could totally get away with keeping souleater up full time, thats of course assuming your WHM has the proper 15 Tic refresh from Atma.
Just wanted to know what others thought about it. Being able to keep souleater up full time would definatley make DRK the monster it was intended to be.
But finding a competent enough mage to keep you healed is always an issue as well, good WHM are hard to find with my experience :/
What do other people think?
-Gradd
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