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Ban on Gay Marriage Struck Down
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Valefor.Yishay said: it would appear to me that no one really cares about the legal side of this ... marriage IS NOT a right ... get off the religion side of this it's a stupid argument why? cause even non religious ppl in CA voted for this. I don't mean to be rude but this seems to contradict itself in like, so many ways. >.> how so? maybe i need to clear it up Asura.Bartimaeus said: Valefor.Yishay said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Valefor.Yishay said: it would appear to me that no one really cares about the legal side of this ... marriage IS NOT a right ... get off the religion side of this it's a stupid argument why? cause even non religious ppl in CA voted for this. I don't mean to be rude but this seems to contradict itself in like, so many ways. >.> how so? maybe i need to clear it up Just sounded like you think people need to think about the legal side, but then say it's not a right.. Personally I only care about the legal side. Because it's a right for hetero couples to get married, our laws of equality says the same should happen for all people. I dunno.. yeah i understand what your saying and yeah i don't appear to be as clear as i should be so i'll leave the whole my argument with this: it's not a legal right however it is a legal contract and you have to go through a state usually at a court house to get a permit or lic. does that help? i mean really if i'm off base i'll just not worry about it Valefor.Yishay said: it would appear to me that no one really cares about the legal side of this ... marriage IS NOT a right ... I don't completely understand this statement. . . If marriage is not a "right" then, what is it? Pandemonium.Scrumpet said: Valefor.Yishay said: it would appear to me that no one really cares about the legal side of this ... marriage IS NOT a right ... I don't completely understand this statement. . . If marriage is not a "right" then, what is it? i'll send you up page 15 where bart had me attempt to clear that up Valefor.Yishay said: i'll send you up page 15 where bart had me attempt to clear that up Yes, but I still don't understand you. . . Valefor.Yishay said: it's not a legal right however it is a legal contract and you have to go through a state usually at a court house to get a permit or lic. You are given the right to make this "legal contract". . . It is a right bestowed by a government to make a legal document showing the love between two Homo sapiens. . . So in essence, how is it not a "right"? Pandemonium.Scrumpet said: Valefor.Yishay said: i'll send you up page 15 where bart had me attempt to clear that up Yes, but I still don't understand you. . . Valefor.Yishay said: it's not a legal right however it is a legal contract and you have to go through a state usually at a court house to get a permit or lic. You are given the right to make this "legal contract". . . It is a right bestowed by a government to make a legal document showing the love between two Homo sapiens. . . So in essence, how is it not a "right"? you have no right to marry someone that doesn't want you Valefor.Yishay said: you have no right to marry someone that doesn't want you That's why I said: Pandemonium.Scrumpet said: the love between two Homo sapiens. . . I give up. . . Think what you wish. @Yishay
14th Amendment, 14th Amendment, 14th Amendment. Jaerik has mentioned this several times, but apparently the people who argue saying that homosexual marriage is not a constitutional right apparently know....nothing about the constitution. Yishay, I give you an ultimatum. read the rest of this thread and make an informed decision and post. until then you are going to just be snubbed as an ignorant theist(not saying all are ignorant, just the fact that you are.)
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Pandemonium.Scrumpet said: Valefor.Yishay said: you have no right to marry someone that doesn't want you That's why I said: Pandemonium.Scrumpet said: the love between two Homo sapiens. . . I give up. . . Think what you wish. lol give up? you make two attempts and give up? regardless though maybe my choice of words needs more thought i'm sorry i couldn't get my thought across. Ramuh.Vinvv said: 14th Amendment, 14th Amendment, 14th Amendment. Jaerik has mentioned this several times, but apparently the people who argue saying that homosexual marriage is not a constitutional right apparently know....nothing about the constitution. I agree; Jaerik knows his stuff! More people should be like him. ¦3 Edit: Valefor.Yishay said: lol give up? you make two attempts and give up? regardless though maybe my choice of words needs more thought i'm sorry i couldn't get my thought across. I am extremely exhausted. Also, your choice of words is pretty frustrating. "/ Ramuh.Vinvv said: @Yishay 14th Amendment, 14th Amendment, 14th Amendment. Jaerik has mentioned this several times, but apparently the people who argue saying that homosexual marriage is not a constitutional right apparently know....nothing about the constitution. Yishay, I give you an ultimatum. read the rest of this thread and make an informed decision and post. until then you are going to just be snubbed as an ignorant theist(not saying all are ignorant, just the fact that you are.) to bad you feel that way. 14th covers race, civil and political rights but nothing about marriage so i think you can argue that civil unions are ok The judge said Marriage was a right, and denying gays marriage was unconstitutional. I trust a judge to know the rights of americans over some random forum poster.
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Amazing response. You think of that by yourself?
Find me a credible source that says marriage isn't a right and I'll admit you're right. Caitsith.Linear said: Amazing response. You think of that by yourself? Find me a credible source that says marriage isn't a right and I'll admit you're right. i did .. 14th doesn't cover marriage you could say civil unions but that can be applied to anyone ... The Fourteenth Amendment said: Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Fine, even if it isn't a right and is instead, a privilege, it's still protected by the constitution. Caitsith.Linear said: The Fourteenth Amendment said: Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Fine, even if it isn't a right and is instead, a privilege, it's still protected by the constitution. i agree with you it's a privilege however ... well hell forget it you see one thing in the constitution i see another. i don't see anything about marriage .. i just don't see anythign about bringing two ppl together Ramuh.Vinvv said: Valefor.Yishay said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: @Yishay 14th Amendment, 14th Amendment, 14th Amendment. Jaerik has mentioned this several times, but apparently the people who argue saying that homosexual marriage is not a constitutional right apparently know....nothing about the constitution. Yishay, I give you an ultimatum. read the rest of this thread and make an informed decision and post. until then you are going to just be snubbed as an ignorant theist(not saying all are ignorant, just the fact that you are.) to bad you feel that way. 14th covers race, civil and political rights but nothing about marriage so i think you can argue that civil unions are ok ok .. i'll go back over the thread and look ... but i checked the 14th and did see it. i'll look again Valefor.Yishay said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Valefor.Yishay said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: @Yishay 14th Amendment, 14th Amendment, 14th Amendment. Jaerik has mentioned this several times, but apparently the people who argue saying that homosexual marriage is not a constitutional right apparently know....nothing about the constitution. Yishay, I give you an ultimatum. read the rest of this thread and make an informed decision and post. until then you are going to just be snubbed as an ignorant theist(not saying all are ignorant, just the fact that you are.) to bad you feel that way. 14th covers race, civil and political rights but nothing about marriage so i think you can argue that civil unions are ok ok .. i'll go back over the thread and look ... but i checked the 14th and did see it. i'll look again you really don't even have to read this thread in full just go to Jaerik's profile and look at all his posts in this thread, that would be sufficient enough, i do believe he's covered all the bases. and when i say read it, i mean read and think about it. Ramuh.Vinvv said: Valefor.Yishay said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Valefor.Yishay said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: @Yishay 14th Amendment, 14th Amendment, 14th Amendment. Jaerik has mentioned this several times, but apparently the people who argue saying that homosexual marriage is not a constitutional right apparently know....nothing about the constitution. Yishay, I give you an ultimatum. read the rest of this thread and make an informed decision and post. until then you are going to just be snubbed as an ignorant theist(not saying all are ignorant, just the fact that you are.) to bad you feel that way. 14th covers race, civil and political rights but nothing about marriage so i think you can argue that civil unions are ok ok .. i'll go back over the thread and look ... but i checked the 14th and did see it. i'll look again you really don't even have to read this thread in full just go to Jaerik's profile and look at all his posts in this thread, that would be sufficient enough, i do believe he's covered all the bases. and when i say read it, i mean read and think about it. i will keep reading but i'm not sure when i can post next more then likely we won't agree on this issue so i want to say i'm not attacking anyone here and i do believe you should be with the person you love regardless of orientation. Society is deciding to keep core family values in tradition of centuries of history. When we start to let "Anything Go" is when the degradation of our society begins, and we begin to lose our identity, or even the ability to define ourselves as a culture.
The beautiful thing about a constitutional rebublic is when its constitution doesn't address a specific issue, it's left up to the states. The natural right of freedom of movement allows you to move to another state that is more closely aligned with your beliefs. This is why when Federal powers extend past the imposed constutional limits, we lose our liberties as a whole. Valefor.Yishay said: Pandemonium.Scrumpet said: Valefor.Yishay said: i'll send you up page 15 where bart had me attempt to clear that up Valefor.Yishay said: it's not a legal right however it is a legal contract and you have to go through a state usually at a court house to get a permit or lic. I believe Scrumpet was just frustrated, and tired of your stupidity... That is probably the most stupid thing I have ever heard... Quetzalcoatl.Thris said: "Anything Go" This is called Anarchy.. Allowing gays to marry is nowhere near it. Lakshmi.Jaerik said: We admins want you left in a certain gray area of fear.
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Quetzalcoatl.Thris said: Society is deciding to keep core family values in tradition of centuries of history. When we start to let "Anything Go" is when the degradation of our society begins, and we begin to lose our identity, or even the ability to define ourselves as a culture. The beautiful thing about a constitutional rebublic is when its constitution doesn't address a specific issue, it's left up to the states. The natural right of freedom of movement allows you to move to another state that is more closely aligned with your beliefs. This is why when Federal powers extend past the imposed constutional limits, we lose our liberties as a whole. How would giving gays the right to marriage degrade our society? Name ONE reason. To be honest... Denying them the right to marriage is whats DEGRADING OUR SOCIETY. ~Giving everyone rights is not degrading our society. ~Bigotry/racism/sexism/discrimination is.
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Just for the record and to make interesting conversation. I argue Homosexuals and Heterosexuals have the same and exact equal rights in the USA.
Lakshmi.Ricco said: Bahamut.Shaj said: Im glad I just turned straight.... I no have the gay no more! /dances! GOOD LUCK FIGHTING IT! :D I'd really hope you're joking lol >_> and if not enjoy living life on the "down low". LMAO, living life on the down low is good than getting yourself killed. They banning gay marriage, what next? shoot the gays just like the olden days? OMG THAT RHYMES! <3 |
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