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Ban on Gay Marriage Struck Down
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2010-08-06 14:13:35
Phoenix.Darki said: Well true if you actually stick around you have to put up with that bs.
And very true we are all equals, so why doesnt the bible treat us so? Well wtf nvm its the bible...
So as equals i believe homosexuals deserve their rights just like the rest of us.
The bible has nothing to do with it, if god burnt sodom and gohmorah down for the reasons he did, it was because the people there were wicked, and lot was in trouble so he was helped out.
That is pretty much it... if there is a god and he is highly against gay people/right then oh well.
Pretty much with all the stuff in the bible it means squat, you live your life. But and only but if god does exist, I say this because not everyone believes in a afterlife... and he has issues with it, then oh well what can be done.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2010-08-06 14:14:40
God doesn't like butt plumbers, I think he's shown us that already.
edit: at least gays and lesbians still can have their rights to marry.
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2010-08-06 14:15:13
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: God doesn't like butt plumbers, I think he's shown us that already.
Nothing I can really say about that then.
I Believe in stories but there are some stuff in the bible that you can tell were enforced by the church and man. Not talking about the bible and the stories in general though... there is some stuff you know was forced in there, I may be wrong but that is what I feel.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2010-08-06 14:17:33
Bahamut.Stanflame said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: God doesn't like butt plumbers, I think he's shown us that already.
Nothing I can really say about that then.
I Believe in stories but there are some stuff in the bible that you can tell were enforced by the church and man. Not talking about the bible and the stories in general though... there is some stuff you know was forced in there, I may be wrong but that is what I feel. I dont believe anything the bible has to offer since its been written by man, and man makes more errors than a computer full of viruses.
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2010-08-06 14:19:37
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Bahamut.Stanflame said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: God doesn't like butt plumbers, I think he's shown us that already.
Nothing I can really say about that then.
I Believe in stories but there are some stuff in the bible that you can tell were enforced by the church and man. Not talking about the bible and the stories in general though... there is some stuff you know was forced in there, I may be wrong but that is what I feel. I dont believe anything the bible has to offer since its been written by man, and man makes more errors than a computer full of viruses.
Well people can not make stories out of no where just so you know... some stuff has truth. I am not really saying more than this, but as I said before in all debates, and during the time scientists worked on creating life...
" See how scientists created dna, someone probably did the same for you, the knowledge was always there, proof we are not alone."
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By Diabolos.Chupacabra 2010-08-06 14:21:13
Bahamut.Stanflame said: Well people can not make stories out of no where just so you know...
Dr. Seuss begs to differ.
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2010-08-06 14:21:29
Back on topic, god or not, bible or not. In this world this existence people have rights, and should not be attacked even if something does not look right or not.
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2010-08-06 14:22:23
Diabolos.Chupacabra said: Bahamut.Stanflame said: Well people can not make stories out of no where just so you know...
Dr. Seuss begs to differ.
Yeah that is different than the bible though Jesus did exist you know that?
The Etienne that was stoned to death existed... etc
Like I said it does not matter really, the fact is there is so much info all over the area over there around the same time also.
But give people their rights. If you want kids sure, you know how to do it. If you want to make sure your kids have kids then sure you do that.... etc and so on.
If someone chooses to be homosexual and not carry on their dna that is their wish.
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By Diabolos.Chupacabra 2010-08-06 14:28:45
Bahamut.Stanflame said:
Yeah that is different than the bible though Jesus did exist you know that?
I'm aware that Jesus of Nazareth did actually exist, yes. As well as hundreds of other people with similar followers. He simply had a better publicist. imo
Back to topic: I think it's great that gay people are starting to get the right to marry. I fail to see any reason why they shouldn't be able to in the first place? A lot of politicians like to place the degradation of marriage on the shoulders of the gay community. Any logical person would be dumbfounded with that leap of logic.
Edit: also, since when was being gay a choice? Isn't that the leading cause of death in gay teens today? Because they ARE gay and can't change it?
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By Odin.Oldive 2010-08-06 14:40:21
Diabolos.Chupacabra said:
Back to topic: I think it's great that gay people are starting to get the right to marry. I fail to see any reason why they shouldn't be able to in the first place? A lot of politicians like to place the degradation of marriage on the shoulders of the gay community. Any logical person would be dumbfounded with that leap of logic.
I'm sure if homosexual marriage was made legal throughout the country today, heterosexuals would still be having affairs and divorcing each other left and right tomorrow.
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By Valefor.Welfare 2010-08-06 14:50:57
Forget God, forget common sense, forget everything.
Scientifically speaking, if gay marriages were meant to be, they would be capable of reproducing. The simple fact that they cannot, proves that nature does not want such a thing to "be".
Nature has used imperfection or sterilization, (the inability to procreate), as a means of controlling such nonsense since the dawn of time and no words or thoughts can ever, or will ever change this. Nature - it is what it is.
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By Odin.Liela 2010-08-06 14:53:54
Valefor.Welfare said: Forget God, forget common sense, forget everything.
Scientifically speaking, if gay marriages were meant to be, they would be capable of reproducing. The simple fact that they cannot, proves that nature does not want such a thing to "be".
Nature has used imperfection or sterilization, (the inability to procreate), as a means of controlling such nonsense since the dawn of time and no words or thoughts can ever, or will ever change this. Nature - it is what it is.
Birth control can be a very good thing though, especially if 'nature' thinks the world is getting overcrowded. Maybe 'nature' is encouraging homosexuality to get the population back down to manageable? Either way, homosexuals are people just like any other people and deserve the same rights and privileges as everyone else.
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By Fenrir.Tool 2010-08-06 14:54:01
Valefor.Welfare said: Forget God, forget common sense, forget everything.
Scientifically speaking, if gay marriages were meant to be, they would be capable of reproducing. The simple fact that they cannot, proves that nature does not want such a thing to "be".
Nature has used imperfection or sterilization, (the inability to procreate), as a means of controlling such nonsense since the dawn of time and no words or thoughts can ever, or will ever change this. Nature - it is what it is.
You lost me there.
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By Diabolos.Chupacabra 2010-08-06 14:56:48
Valefor.Welfare said: Forget God, forget common sense, forget everything.
Scientifically speaking, if gay marriages were meant to be, they would be capable of reproducing. The simple fact that they cannot, proves that nature does not want such a thing to "be".
Nature has used imperfection or sterilization, (the inability to procreate), as a means of controlling such nonsense since the dawn of time and no words or thoughts can ever, or will ever change this. Nature - it is what it is.
Actually... homosexuality is quite common in nature... So, might not wanna use that as fuel for the 'anti' side.
And I'm texting at a stoplight... I have a problem ; ;
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By Leviathan.Brisingr 2010-08-06 15:02:32
There is nothing wrong with homosexuality, I'm as straight as they come but I say if you're gay then w/e it's your choice. Now, you say it's cause they can't reproduce then they shouldn't be? Since when has 90% of the human race even consider reproduction when having sex? Have you? Probably not. You see the opposite sex and I can promise you the first thing on your mind is NOT "I want to have a child with that girl/guy." This isn't a perfect world but you could at least be supportive towards the ones YOU call "imperfect, immoral, and wrong." Scientifically speaking, humans are hardwired for sexual cravings far off from reproduction, don't try to use science as a method of calling homosexuality wrong, it just doesn't work and makes you look stupid for even trying to do such a thing.
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By Odin.Liela 2010-08-06 15:04:50
Diabolos.Chupacabra said: Valefor.Welfare said: Forget God, forget common sense, forget everything.
Scientifically speaking, if gay marriages were meant to be, they would be capable of reproducing. The simple fact that they cannot, proves that nature does not want such a thing to "be".
Nature has used imperfection or sterilization, (the inability to procreate), as a means of controlling such nonsense since the dawn of time and no words or thoughts can ever, or will ever change this. Nature - it is what it is.
Actually... homosexuality is quite common in nature... So, might not wanna use that as fuel for the 'anti' side.
And I'm texting at a stoplight... I have a problem ; ;
This is also true. Not the you having a problem, I mean. I mean that homosexuality is in nature. I've seen probably dozens of animals bumping on other animals of the same sex before, without a care in the world.
Here's the old mythological story I heard, and I think it makes sense (not literal sense, this could never actually happen, but figurative sense.):
Long ago, every person was comprised of two people joined at the hip. Some of the people were male/female, some were male/male, and some were female/female. A god became angry at the people and sent a lightning bolt down from the sky that cleaved each set person into two separate people. From then on, each person spent the remainder of his or her life searching for the one they had been connected to. The male/females are heterosexual couples, and the male/male and female/female are homosexual couples. Everyone would be happy again upon finding the one they were connected to.
Who gives a damn if the couple, once reunited, was male/male or female/female? Honestly. It's not like homosexuals are trying to force straight people into their lifestyle. They just want the same rights as everyone else, and denying them that would be criminal (in my eyes.)
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-08-06 15:11:34
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: ...but it is the truth, gays/lesbians just want to have fun and never be serious... If this were in any way true, why would they want to get married?
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By Leviathan.Brisingr 2010-08-06 15:13:50
And as far as "Jesus" and "God" are concerned, I don't see how you can tell me that a bunch of pieces of paper prove a man existed. Human beings have been capable of making things up and writing them down, just look at Stephen King, he's written tons of books, if it didn't say fiction I bet someone would believe it was real. So if I write down some text about a person and say it happend thousands of years ago I bet someone would believe it to be true, so it goes the same for the bible. I believed in "God" once, but I lost all sense of him because I didn't seen any proof of this mysterious man who could do whatever he wanted. If he existed then why does he let you do stupid things, if he made you in his image then why are there "imperfect" and "GAY" people? Was "God" gay then? Be offended if you want, but don't look me in the eye and try to feed me crap about a "Lord up in heaven" that hasn't actually done anything for anybody. Sacrificed himself for us? If so why is this world such a hell on earth? Don't tell me it's the "Devil" because to give something a name is to give it power if "God" didn't want us to fall under the "Devil's" will then why in the hell did he even make the "Devil" These are things to think about when you pray to who you call your "God" or "Jesus" That's my peace and if you have anything negative to say about it, feel free, the more abuse you send the better, that way I can see how many people who actually get there sand in their thong just cause someone insulted something that can't actually give enough proof to justify is there. Remember, if we're supposedly made in "God's" image, including gays, then "God" must have been gay as well, remember now, Mary was a virgin.
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By Leviathan.Brisingr 2010-08-06 15:15:18
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Leviathan.Brisingr said: There is nothing wrong with homosexuality, I'm as straight as they come but I say if you're gay then w/e it's your choice. Now, you say it's cause they can't reproduce then they shouldn't be? Since when has 90% of the human race even consider reproduction when having sex? Have you? Probably not. You see the opposite sex and I can promise you the first thing on your mind is NOT "I want to have a child with that girl/guy." This isn't a perfect world but you could at least be supportive towards the ones YOU call "imperfect, immoral, and wrong." Scientifically speaking, humans are hardwired for sexual cravings far off from reproduction, don't try to use science as a method of calling homosexuality wrong, it just doesn't work and makes you look stupid for even trying to do such a thing.
Wrong
Psychology disagrees
and
Correct.
You say I'm wrong, you just say it without proving me wrong, show me some proof.
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By Asura.Revelation 2010-08-06 15:28:43
Leviathan.Brisingr said: There is nothing wrong with homosexuality, I'm as straight as they come but I say if you're gay then w/e it's your choice. Now, you say it's cause they can't reproduce then they shouldn't be? Since when has 90% of the human race even consider reproduction when having sex? Have you? Probably not. You see the opposite sex and I can promise you the first thing on your mind is NOT "I want to have a child with that girl/guy." This isn't a perfect world but you could at least be supportive towards the ones YOU call "imperfect, immoral, and wrong." Scientifically speaking, humans are hardwired for sexual cravings far off from reproduction, don't try to use science as a method of calling homosexuality wrong, it just doesn't work and makes you look stupid for even trying to do such a thing.
Then dont try and use science as a method of disproving Creation... that's all i'm saying.
It has to go both ways.
EDIT: Sorry, wasn't trying to bring religion into it, was using it as an example, just wanted to clarify.
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By Ramuh.Ilvex 2010-08-06 15:48:00
Bahamut.Stanflame said: Phoenix.Darki said: Well true if you actually stick around you have to put up with that bs.
And very true we are all equals, so why doesnt the bible treat us so? Well wtf nvm its the bible...
So as equals i believe homosexuals deserve their rights just like the rest of us.
The bible has nothing to do with it, if god burnt sodom and gohmorah down for the reasons he did, it was because the people there were wicked, and lot was in trouble so he was helped out.
That is pretty much it... if there is a god and he is highly against gay people/right then oh well.
Pretty much with all the stuff in the bible it means squat, you live your life. But and only but if god does exist, I say this because not everyone believes in a afterlife... and he has issues with it, then oh well what can be done.
I love that people use sodom and gohmorah as an anti-gay statement, not that I believe in the bible but you think god wouldn't have burned down Sodom and gohmorah for IDk maybe trying to rape 2 angles? What? god would of left it alone if the villagers tried to rape 2 female angles?
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By Leviathan.Brisingr 2010-08-06 15:48:41
This may be true, but you have still yet to prove that science has proven anything about being gay. And @Revelation I never tried to use science as a way of disproving creation. @Spicy Think before you speak, prove before you think to speak, you've just been talking how science proves it yet you haven't said anything about HOW science has proven it. You get upset because you have to "tell everyone science proves it" without giving a shred of proof. I'm just gonna walk away because you're not worth my time if you can't show me cold hard FACTS. Remember these things when you try to make an argument. Now, I have some leveling to do, instead of sitting here wasting my time on threads, I regret ever looking at this thread because of the fact banning gay marriage is wrong. If 2 people love each other they should be allowed to be together, that's what AMERICA was built on, freedoms people. How would you like it if the U.S. went back into Prohibition, and for those who don't drink, any freedom YOU enjoy that would just make you feel so bad inside because you can't have the simple right to enjoy that freedom taken away from you. I know you pot smokers out there agree when I say this, because you're simple freedom of smoking an herb is gone. It's the same with gays, they shouldn't be stripped of a damn basic freedom such as marriage. Well, I've said my peace, take care y'all. Don't bother replaying to this because of the simple fact I'm not gonna read it, it'll be like talking to a brick wall which will make you look even dumber. Peace folks.
California Proposition 8 (ban on gay marriage) has been struck down in federal district court as a violation of the US Constitution's Equal Protection clause.
This is the first time a state ban on gay marriage has been challenged in federal court. It is worth noting that the judge is a Republican and was appointed by Reagan.
It will now go to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, which is also in San Francisco. If the circuit court rules for gay marriage, it will also become legal in Alaska, Arizona, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, Guam, and the Mariana Islands.
Regardless of the 9th Circuit's ruling, it will be appealed to the US Supreme Court (SCOTUS). If the 9th Circuit rules for gay marriage, SCOTUS must hear the case because of the fracture along state lines.
If the 9th circuit upholds the ban on gay marriage, SCOTUS can simply refuse to hear the case, effectively upholding the ban. Or they can agree to hear the case and make their own ruling, which will then apply to every state in the union.
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