Ban On Gay Marriage Struck Down

Well I agree with you but also I think i know why they keep this a hot political topic is cause it usually adds votes from demographics on both side dems and repubs kind of like abortion. Most gays are democratic and sadly i think many are just because of this issue just like many republicans are "christian" What ever happened to separation of church and state? :( Religion is the main reason this hasn't been passed nationwide yet imo.

now when the hell will FFXI stop being homophobic...
/to try and quell a few flaming hom0trolls~

i know, you're all scared of Galkas in love,
but just imagine the Mithran weddings if that creeps ya' out =P

& jus 'cause i like Ricco's line of thought on this one:

Marriage is French, the root word is Main;

main /mɛ̃/
feminine noun
hand;
se donner or se tenir la ~ to hold hands;
saluer qn de la ~ to wave at sb;
haut les ~s! hands up!;
demander la ~ de qn to ask for sb's hand in marriage;
avoir qch bien en ~(s) to hold sth firmly;
figurative to have sth well in hand;
si tu lèves la ~ sur elle if you lay a finger on her;
à la ~ [sew] by hand;
[adjust] manually;
fait ~ handmade;
vol à ~ armée armed robbery;
donner un coup de ~ à qn to give sb a hand;
une ~ secourable a helping hand;
une ~ criminelle someone with criminal intentions;
avoir qch sous la ~ to have sth to hand;
cela m'est tombé sous la ~ I just happened to come across it;
mettre la ~ sur qch to get one's hands on sth;
je n'arrive pas à mettre la ~ dessus I can't lay my hands on it;
je l'ai eu entre les ~s mais I did have it but;
être entre les ~s de qn [power] to be in sb's hands;
prendre qn/qch en ~s to take sb/sth in hand;
à ne pas mettre entre toutes les ~s [book] not for general reading;
tomber entre les ~s de qn to fall into sb's hands;
les ~s vides empty-handed;
je le lui ai remis en ~s propres I gave it to him/her in person;
de la ~ à la ~ [sell] privately;
[be paid] cash (in hand);
écrit de la ~ du président written by the president himself;
de ma plus belle ~ in my best handwriting;
avoir le coup de ~ to have the knack;
se faire la ~ to practise (BrE);
(in cards) hand;
deal;
à ~ droite/gauche on the right/left.


So Marriage basically means touching, right? REALLY?
By the french definitions prostitutes have a few marriages a day!!! Slapping 5 *could* be called marriage~ LmFaO

Marriage has nothing to do with the republicans, accept that the majority of them are self-hating in-the-closet homophobes who just need to get over their bad relationships. Don't be jealous, be kind and learn.

All of you against gay marriage are secretly homosexual. Anyone secure in their sexuality doesn't care!
/cheers to the struggle! keep fighting for your rights!!

/in princess bride voice MArwwwidge~
Honestly, MArriage is about as christian as the word jesus, which is roughly 500 years old, as a Greek “Iesous” Latin “Iesus” bastardization suggests. Yahweh and His Son Yahshua are proper, or at least older and most likely, if unpronounceable to the culture of the time, thus a mystery. Hebrew is, after all, in Hasidism a changing language according to the epoch, the time can change the definitions.
The french root "Main" is about 300 years older then the word jesus.
...christians need to shut the $%$# up =P 'cause that's a weak case. It also means the version of the word marriage in the bible, is another word(s) נישואים, (ש"ע) נישואים; חתונה, טקס כלולות; זיווג, and it's not as one-sided as many like it to seem. Here we get everything from relationship, sex, contract, etc. all not really translatable to english, but the fact that it would take many english phrases to attempt should be an indication that the simple-minded duelist argument going on right now doesn't even care what marriage really is.

So don't take any of this christian cultist ***; it's recent, made-up nonsense pro-ported by wanna-bes.
They wouldn't know gay from there *** or a hold in the savior. A christian that cannot at least read a little hebrew is a cultist extremist evangelist and needs a good lesson in the OLD testaments so they can translate properly.
Not to mention that much of the new testament is zorastrian, hindu, buddhist, egyptian, babylonian, roman, greek, persian, etc, etc, name any culture that owned the middle east and their language and history are vital to transliteration. This ethnocentric hatred of manifest-destined homophobia will only go on to express itself in terrible ways if not recognized and balanced.

Monkeys can be gay, fish, reptiles, lizards... many of them can change their sex... does god send them to hell, really?
What about people born X Y chromosome? Don't bi-gender deserve marriage? They have no choice. Why can't everyone choose in a democratic free nation? Why do the animals have more rights then us here?

You should all stop talking in this dominator slaver culture language, as most of our ancestors were the "barbarians." FFXI is here to teach us the old mythology; don't any of you haters learn ANYTHING from the storyline??

Do yourself a favor and learn some Hebrew or old languages.
The people who can read a few languages or at very least translate have more right then those whom are ethnocentric to one cultural stereotype. Learn sanskrit, learn japanese (prolly the most common bilingual here ^-^) there are so many opportunities! Just ask people to learn instead of pushing around a biased opinion, compare cultures. Then your opinion will slowly become more pertinent, validated in experience instead of sexual frustration troll-mongering.

Keep fighting the good fight to filter out all these fake political associations to the "institution of marriage." MArriage is free from all religion and politics. It is a choice of love to touch another being, that's all.

All public institutions in the USA *should* be democratic.
That's my fiercely researched hetero biased opinion =P
No offense to any, but quit representing belief systems you don't understand and ask more questions.. It is the easiest age to translate since Babylon ffs..

pz, <3, keep reaching for those rainbows~

I agree with you, we have to stop paying attention to stuff like this and start electing people that don't want to regulate(read control) our lives into oblivion.

ban it lol.

adam and eve not adam and steve.

Lol i almost didn't watch the video glad I did quite funny love the sarcasm

Yeah coz gay people dont deserve to have rights just cuz u know.... Herp derp...

He's cute :o

Beautiful pic is almost related to the conversation:




I believe homosexuals should have the same rights as everyone else. I think it's amusing how most people who are against homosexuality are not harmed nor even affected in any way by it. Homosexuals are not hurting you. I promise. And if they are somehow damaging your delicate little psyche, then there's much more wrong with you than simply homophobia.

Do none of y'all even know what this about? Have you ever been in so much pain you couldn't even call someone your boyfriend comes home from work to see you curled up in a ball shriveling around takes you to the hospital and is denied access to see you or know whats going on? I have my boyfriend was denied even though I gave permission for him to know and come back. I had worked shifts at this hospital and they allow straight dating couples together all the time.

A civil union, gay or straight, does not allow you to see your partner in a hospital as a recognized family member or be informed of your condition. A gay couple has no legal right to know if their partner is dead or alive. Even in a civil union. If your partner is in a plane crash you are not allowed to be informed if they are alive or dead, the family can even go to the extent of hiding the funeral from you, in fact disgracing your deceased partner, including as much as hiring security to keep you out of the funeral and fighting the will under the argument that you are not married, and win. This does happen everywhere the in the US its been a while since I last read one of these trials so I don't remember the case names.

I'm assuming not many people on here have been through the extent of ***others of us have. You know worse then being in such much pain and wishing you where dead? the fact that the person you love is just a few yards away and may never know if you even die and they cant be next to you because of your sexuality. Now granted we where only boyfriends so a hospital could keep us apart anyway but if the government does not recognize a complete union between us then we will legally be protected to preserve our loved ones. My funeral if ran by biological family will disgrace me and I would rather not have one.

The founding fathers made the juduciary branch of government via Article III co-equal in power to the legislative and executive for a reason. Mainly, so that majority vote cannot arbitrarily overturn the Constitution or violate the rights of a minority.

A town cannot get together and, with 50%+1 vote, decide to execute an unpopular member without due process and a fair trial. They can't appeal to "tradition," nor can they appeal to "common sense" to do it. (Which, by the way, doesn't really exist.)

The act of depriving that individual of their rights (in this example, 5th amendment rights) is solely the domain of the judiciary. Not the legislative, and not the executive. It is not for them to decide. They do not have the power.

Similarly, the Supreme Court has ruled in past inter-racial and inter-faith marriage decisions that marrying "the person of one's choosing" is a "fundamental human right." This means that the voters don't get to revoke that right from a protected minority, no matter how much they might want to.

When the Supreme Court overturned voter-approved state bans on inter-racial marriage in 1968, only 20% of Americans approved of it. Today, the majority of some demographics (those over 65 and the South) still disapprove. If it was left to a popular vote, it would still be illegal there. Would that be okay?

Bit late to this but here we go :>

When I first read the headline, my first thoughts were along the line of:

"OH hey! Now everyone can be happy in their marriage. The government is no longer banning happy marriages!"

Since you know, before current slang the word gay meant happy and not homosexual :>

Now the saying "Let them be miserable like the rest of us" is no longer valid. It should be more.. "Let them be HAPPY like the rest of us." :>


I've been reading alot of comparative mythology and monomythology books lately (see also "Hero of a Thousand Faces" - Joseph Campbell) and the line of "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" always struck me as pretty funny.


What does this have to do with marriage?

Well thats precisely what should be asked of the Adam and Eve story. Never once is it ever written that they were joined in marriage. Infact iirc the concept is not even mentioned until the time of Noah or perhaps later in the writings of the Jeudo-Christian Old Testament where cases of incest, rape, and polgyamy all run rampant.

I personally cannot understand why this has ever even been a issue, love is love.. to a partner, a pet, a child, a friend...
I have never understood why two people cant love each other or why the color of someones skin should matter. If we could stop breeding these terrible outlooks in life to our children the world would be a better place.
Dark, this practically brought me to tears. I know that pain. when my fiancee was in Iraq I found out if anything happened to him no one would tell me or even attempt to let me know anything happened to him. had something happened, he would have blown out of my life like a breeze. It scared me so bad when I didn't hear from him for a week or two. No one should have to suffer like that, im sorry that you did.

People are far too obsessed with what everyone else around them is doing to care about their own lives. Like Jae and I said clear back at the beginning of this thread. People disapproved of inter-racial marriages. And, like he said a lot still do. This is no different then their battle. And, I believe love is love regardless.

This is America though and everyone has to pick on and attack what is different. I'm all for free speech and rights. Who are we to tell another human they don't have the right to the same ring around their finger protected by law that a straight couple has? We don't.

People are so damn ignorant these days that they would much rather throw a hissy fit about things that don't even pertain to them than just learn to accept it and move on with their lives.

It's like a bunch of children picking on some kid on the playground becuase they are different. Sad really.

Some of my best friends are homosexual. Two of them you couldn't even tell they were gay unless you knew them personally.

Sadly though, I don't think in this lifetime people will learn to grow up and worry about their own problems instead of everyone else.

Government should not dictate morality nor should the government discriminate based on Sexual Orientation, in my humble opinion. I am a happily married heterosexual male. I believe that banning gay marriage is discrimination and a violation of Section 1 of the 14th Amendment to the US constitution;

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. "

you sir i wish everyone had your opinion i really do means a lot to me just to let you know :)

and anyone who really believes the Adam and Eve story c'mon a person made out of a mans rib really?

If only everyone shared this view...

If only love was something tangible and real and not something full of pretense and posturing.
biological responses create illogical responses. :D
Only thing that makes love real is your belief on the reality of it, other than that it's just chemical reactions.
That's not discounting the fact that it can be a positive factor, just that it's fabricated like most things.
But hell yeah, love/hate...do whatever you want...it should be ones own choice in the end run.

Kind of irrelevant but...

Adam and eve story sux, get back to earth its the woman who gives a piece of her own body to create lifes. Women go through all the trouble. It angers me how the bible treats the woman and put men above all. When in reality women should be more cherished. And im not sayig this because im a woman and bLh blah blah im saying it because i went through the process of creating life, and we get very little credit for t on the bible... Pfft Adam gave his rib what a bunch of ***.

seems like you and God have a big beef there.

A woman has to give birth yes, But we have to put up with the hormone based mood swings and other ***.

It doesn't matter if you are for or against the state of California legally recognizing a gay couples specific union as a marriage. There is NO right to (any) marriage granted by the US constitution. California cannot take away gay peoples civil rights by refusing to call their unions marriage because marriage is not a civil right.

This is an awful ruling by a federal judge, not because i am against anyone calling gay unions marriages, but because 20 million Californians voted in 2008 to define what a marriage is in California. It doesn't matter if you agree with what the result is, the people made their decision by using the democratic process. This ruling simply codifies the state in which we live where 1 single judge can overrule the voting majority of 50+ million people because the result isn't politically correct. If the SCOTUS does not uphold the prop 8 ban, then we do not live in a democracy anymore.

we don't live in a democracy, we live in a "democratic republic"
IE: we elect these officials to make these decisions.

I'm sorry if you disagree Darki but as someone who gave birth myself. Flion has spoken nothing but truth in that statement.

Guys have hormone based mood swings too :D
We just don't make a big of a deal about it.

The point of contention being whether marriage is a civil right or not. If it is not, then the state isn't denying a special status to LGBT couples. If it is (as per the judge's ruling) then the majority is unfairly denying them a fundamental right.

We'll see how it plays out, for sure. LOL

Yes and military racial segregation was abolished by one man too, FDR. NONE of our civil rights have ever been given by popular vote, well some but the majority have been threw presidential Order or a Judicial Ruling. So kindly QTFO. And read all 10 pages and you'll find a much better explanation of why your so wrong.

This kind of thing really annoys me. Everyone is human, everyone should be equal. That's what this whole Prop-8-being-struck-down thing is about in the first place. No one is inherently above anyone else based on things they were or were not born with.

Lol, I feel bad for my fiance post prego now that I look back. Because I was upset at him one day when my son flashed his boy bits in the sonogram I looked at the tech and said: "Oh look, my son has a bigger d**k than his father."

Women can be horribly cruel.

No when the people of California vote in a referendum to define marriage as a man and a woman, they are writing the law for the state of California period.
In order for the feds to have any case here they need to prove that Prop 8 violates some kind of right granted by the constitution. There is no right to marriage gay or otherwise granted by the constitution so the feds have nothing to stand on.

Its as simple as that.