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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-04-26 19:13:33
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Ragnarok.Blindphleb said:
What are those values on the x-axis? And why does the Vietnam bars differ between all three graphs?

The year in question. The graph is sorted from highest to lowest values by year.
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By ElSpiffo 2010-04-26 19:19:13
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I also live in America, but I'm a Socialist. I don't feel that capitalism works whatsoever, and I feel that a government that claims to be 'for the people by the people' should be taken literally, as opposed to being a forum for wealthy mostly-white old men to tell everyone else what to do.
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By Odin.Moondaddy 2010-04-26 19:19:48
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Odin.Liela said:
I actually hadn't thought about Jaerik's point that if younger people don't vote, then older people decide everything. I'm not sure that it's true that mostly younger people don't vote, the last presidential election my entire campus was in a voting frenzy and even gave out buttons and free bags of chips to kids who voted. It seemed like the vast majority of students did vote. But I don't know how the kids on my campus compare to other campuses or to the voting population as a whole. The thought of my parents and grandparents deciding everything is a bit panic-worthy. Old people are nuts. I wonder if there's a reliable way to track the ages of everyone who votes?

let a bunch of uninformed/falsely informed kids vote and the country goes down the crapper
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-04-26 19:24:00
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Odin.Moondaddy said:
let a bunch of uninformed/falsely informed kids vote and the country goes down the crapper

And they are possible 10 times more informed than you on any political subject.



Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
ElSpiffo said:
I also live in America, but I'm a Socialist. I don't feel that capitalism works whatsoever, and I feel that a government that claims to be 'for the people by the people' should be taken literally, as opposed to being a forum for wealthy mostly-white old men to tell everyone else what to do.

That white old men, egh? What is this Catcher in the Rye?


Good Call lol.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-26 19:24:03
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Take the same logic and spin it backwards. Flawed logic because it works both ways.
Not rly, because you can't say if I, me alone, goes out and votes, that it'll make a difference while I could guarantee you it wouldn't.


Are you serious? I'm tired of hearing this silly black and white, childish argument over and over again.
How's it silly. I go vote. If the person doesn't win by 1 vote, then how did my vote count?

Now, if I wanted to get involved, I could volunteer for the candidate of my choice and influence others to vote, but I don't have to vote to do that.
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By Odin.Liela 2010-04-26 19:24:56
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Odin.Moondaddy said:
Odin.Liela said:
I actually hadn't thought about Jaerik's point that if younger people don't vote, then older people decide everything. I'm not sure that it's true that mostly younger people don't vote, the last presidential election my entire campus was in a voting frenzy and even gave out buttons and free bags of chips to kids who voted. It seemed like the vast majority of students did vote. But I don't know how the kids on my campus compare to other campuses or to the voting population as a whole. The thought of my parents and grandparents deciding everything is a bit panic-worthy. Old people are nuts. I wonder if there's a reliable way to track the ages of everyone who votes?

let a bunch of uninformed/falsely informed kids vote and the country goes down the crapper

Aw MD, don't fret because you are one of the oldies. :p Kidding! kidding! You are right that uninformed people are just as bad as old stuck-in-the-past people. That's actually why I haven't voted lately, I don't feel well-informed enough. My own fault, I didn't follow the Obama and McCain campaigns, but still. I don't want to toss out a crappy vote just to say I voted when I myself don't understand everything yet.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-04-26 19:26:55
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Sylph.Beelshamen said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Take the same logic and spin it backwards. Flawed logic because it works both ways.
Not rly, because you can't say if I, me alone, goes out and votes, that it'll make a difference while I could guarantee you it wouldn't.


Are you serious? I'm tired of hearing this silly black and white, childish argument over and over again.
How's it silly. I go vote. If the person doesn't win by 1 vote, then how did my vote count?

Now, if I wanted to get involved, I could volunteer for the candidate of my choice and influence others to vote, but I don't have to vote to do that.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/groupthink
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By Odin.Equivocator 2010-04-26 19:52:46
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Preface: Voteing in Australia is Mandatory.

Ill informed people voteing (of any age bracket) is *** up and one reason I hate Mandatory voteing. All though, I think it is better off over all then not having it.

Example, Last state election. Dad and his daughter, her first election. Actual quote;
Dad: Here honey have a Labor (Sudo-Democrat... I guess) 'How to Vote Card' because we dont want you voting for those Lib (Republican) retards.

Now thats all well and good for her if she wanted to vote that way, but I happened to know about the education reform Labor was pushing for Universities. If this daughter had any plans to go for further education (but with a father like that... unikely) she, personally, would have been better off with the Libs in power (for the most part.) Her dad may have been worse off (but concidering that Labor are now selling all our assets (Railways, Ports, Electricity companies) he probably is not) but she should be thinking about herself, not him.

This young girl, had no *** idea about any of the members (She even asked what was the name of the Labor member) and yet her vote (well her dads...) would have been counter. Labor ended up winning, and if you would like to see how *** up QLD is now... Search for "Anna Bligh" and read a little bit about her.

People should do their best to find out what kind of ****PERSON**** they are voteing for. *** the party. Find someone that YOU agree with the most. Yes, this means you have to do some *** research. Hell, 1 hour of reading past history, goals, personal descriptions of all candidates (1hr total, not each) will give you a good idea of who YOU would want to represent YOU in government.

Also, I think that those that choose not to vote, dont have the right to complain about anthing the government does. You had your chance to speak up, if you passed that chance, then STFU till next time. Those who voted against it (or for it) have the right to say "Thats *** I voted against you" or "I voted you in to represent me and thats not what I want"
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2010-04-26 19:55:56
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Anyone else here a Libertarian?
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-04-26 19:57:59
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said:
Anyone else here a Libertarian?

Depends which Libertarian you mean.

Actual libertarians, or conservatives trying to hide from their tarnished brand?
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2010-04-26 20:04:03
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Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Caitsith.Mahayaya said:
Anyone else here a Libertarian?

Depends which Libertarian you mean.

Actual libertarians, or conservatives trying to hide from their tarnished brand?

Hahaha, actual Libertarian. However, a true libertarian wouldn't even vote, so I can't even call myself that.

I'm not saying there should be no government, but I feel that things have gotten way out of hand. Whether the party that gets elected into office is Conservative or Liberal, they both end up stacking on to the debt toll it seems. I could go into detail, but just wanted to see if anyone here is or knew what a Libertarian is.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Ouchie 2010-04-26 20:19:01
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Socially I'm incredibly liberal. Financially I tend to learn a little bit more conservative. Since I don't think either party really knows how to handle money effectively, I tend to vote based on which platform leans closer to my social policies of choice. This is invariably democrat.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-04-26 20:22:32
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I'm part of my own political party. I think I'm going to name it "Populi Chartae" or something.

Our beliefs: government should downsize, run what it needs to and only add what the people absolutely need, and follow the Constitution strictly.

Now, it'll be a miracle if I can get elected lol
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-26 20:40:06
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Bahamut.Serj said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Sylph.Beelshamen said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Take the same logic and spin it backwards. Flawed logic because it works both ways.
Not rly, because you can't say if I, me alone, goes out and votes, that it'll make a difference while I could guarantee you it wouldn't.


Are you serious? I'm tired of hearing this silly black and white, childish argument over and over again.
How's it silly. I go vote. If the person doesn't win by 1 vote, then how did my vote count?

Now, if I wanted to get involved, I could volunteer for the candidate of my choice and influence others to vote, but I don't have to vote to do that.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/groupthink
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2010-04-26 20:48:50
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i generally lean towards the conservative side because i like guns...
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2010-04-26 20:59:25
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I'd say the knowledge of voters is roughly equivalent to the people who use the rate up and down in this forum. Rating up Jaerik for posting Libertarian-based ideas(Republican and Democratic policies expand government spending), yet rating me down for defining it?

lol, and then rating up a guy who says:
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
You know the founding fathers hated democracy...

Also, rating this guy down for merely posting on the forum his political affiliation and his reason behind it:
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
I'm part of my own political party. I think I'm going to name it "Populi Chartae" or something.

Our beliefs: government should downsize, run what it needs to and only add what the people absolutely need, and follow the Constitution strictly.

Now, it'll be a miracle if I can get elected lol

EDIT: Changed "Conservative and Liberal" to "Republican and Democratic" It's too easy to use these terms interchangeably these days, but the reality of the matter is that Republicans are in no way, shape, or form, a conservative party.
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By Bismarck.Bigheadkitty 2010-04-26 21:24:07
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Why cant the world just be like Leave It To Beaver or Little House On The Prarie instead of Get Rich Or Die Trying and Cribs?
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2010-04-26 21:27:53
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Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
I like how people claim their vote doesn't matter, and then point to Bush v. Gore as an example.

If only a handful of people in a few counties in Florida had voted one way or the other, there would have been no debate on the matter. It never would have gone to the Supreme Court, and the results of the entire election, and arguably the next 8 years, would have been entirely different.

who ever rated me down, what he is saying is correct.
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2010-04-26 21:39:03
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said:
I'd say the knowledge of voters is roughly equivalent to the people who use the rate up and down in this forum. Rating up Jaerik for posting Libertarian-based ideas(Republican and Democratic policies expand government spending), yet rating me down for defining it?

lol, and then rating up a guy who says:
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
You know the founding fathers hated democracy...

Also, rating this guy down for merely posting on the forum his political affiliation and his reason behind it:
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
I'm part of my own political party. I think I'm going to name it "Populi Chartae" or something.

Our beliefs: government should downsize, run what it needs to and only add what the people absolutely need, and follow the Constitution strictly.

Now, it'll be a miracle if I can get elected lol

EDIT: Changed "Conservative and Liberal" to "Republican and Democratic" It's too easy to use these terms interchangeably these days, but the reality of the matter is that Republicans are in no way, shape, or form, a conservative party.

i think they rated jaerik up to kiss his *** o.o
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By Odin.Liela 2010-04-26 22:00:24
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Jaerik can't see who rates him up or down, no?
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-04-27 00:31:48
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Sylph.Beelshamen said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Take the same logic and spin it backwards. Flawed logic because it works both ways.
Not rly, because you can't say if I, me alone, goes out and votes, that it'll make a difference while I could guarantee you it wouldn't.


Are you serious? I'm tired of hearing this silly black and white, childish argument over and over again.
How's it silly. I go vote. If the person doesn't win by 1 vote, then how did my vote count?

Now, if I wanted to get involved, I could volunteer for the candidate of my choice and influence others to vote, but I don't have to vote to do that.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/groupthink
lolwut


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/groupthink


Can you comprehend that definition? *** A...
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