http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_President_Franklin_Roosevelt%27s_controversial_%27court-packing%27_plan_for_the_US_Supreme_Court
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Political Affliations And Reasonings Behind It
Political Affliations and Reasonings Behind it
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
You can't argue with a conspiracy theory.
The hell I can't! The argument will just never go anywhere.
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who needs proof, his brother was the gov of the state with the biggest discrepancy in votes. hell if my brother was runnin for pres and i ran a state id do some shady ***to help his cause, but thats just me >.>
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Odin.Moondaddy said:
who needs proof, his brother was the gov of the state with the biggest discrepancy in votes. hell if my brother was runnin for pres and i ran a state id do some shady ***to help his cause, but thats just me >.>
Who needs proof in a governmental affair!
Seriously though, try to keep your own desires out of the thread as it isn't constructive in the least. You can form conspiracy after conspiracy. But they will always remain just that.
to play devils advocate as well, is there any proof that peoples votes DO do anything ?
ive always more or less leaned towards not believing in votes counting, but ive always been interested to see how/if it actually works.
IS there anyway to see how/if it works and what happens ? or is it you just have to take peoples word for it ?
ive always more or less leaned towards not believing in votes counting, but ive always been interested to see how/if it actually works.
IS there anyway to see how/if it works and what happens ? or is it you just have to take peoples word for it ?
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Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
I like how people claim their vote doesn't matter, and then point to Bush v. Gore as an example.
If only a handful of people in a few counties in Florida had voted one way or the other, there would have been no debate on the matter. It never would have gone to the Supreme Court, and the results of the entire election, and arguably the next 8 years, would have been entirely different.
If only a handful of people in a few counties in Florida had voted one way or the other, there would have been no debate on the matter. It never would have gone to the Supreme Court, and the results of the entire election, and arguably the next 8 years, would have been entirely different.
Okay I don't have to point to that then, how often is it that any vote tally is at break even? That's the only time my vote would count (if it mattered to begin with)
Valefor.Slipispsycho said:
Okay I don't have to point to that then, how often is it that any vote tally is at break even? That's the only time my vote would count (if it mattered to begin with)
That's exactly the point. If it came down to break even, you wouldn't have done anything. Put it into percentages, if break even is .001% of 5m. That's 50 votes. For a *tiny* percentage.
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Exactly! My vote DOESN'T count... Because I'm not going to change anything..
How about we just do this, we're stuck in a never ending argument, because there's two ways to see it, like glass half full or glass half empty, let's just agree to disagree..?
How about we just do this, we're stuck in a never ending argument, because there's two ways to see it, like glass half full or glass half empty, let's just agree to disagree..?
I'm for I don't give a ***, because my 1 vote would never make the difference.
Bahamut.Serj said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
You can't argue with a conspiracy theory.
The hell I can't! The argument will just never go anywhere.
Well, I mean, what about all those people who voted for JFK? What if they had known that aliens were just going to kill him anyway?
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Caitsith.Blurr said:
to play devils advocate as well, is there any proof that peoples votes DO do anything ?
ive always more or less leaned towards not believing in votes counting, but ive always been interested to see how/if it actually works.
IS there anyway to see how/if it works and what happens ? or is it you just have to take peoples word for it ?
ive always more or less leaned towards not believing in votes counting, but ive always been interested to see how/if it actually works.
IS there anyway to see how/if it works and what happens ? or is it you just have to take peoples word for it ?
It's called voting demographics.
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/exit-polls.html
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/socdemo/voting/index.html
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Valefor.Slipispsycho said:
Exactly! My vote DOESN'T count... Because I'm not going to change anything..
How about we just do this, we're stuck in a never ending argument, because there's two ways to see it, like glass half full or glass half empty, let's just agree to disagree..?
How about we just do this, we're stuck in a never ending argument, because there's two ways to see it, like glass half full or glass half empty, let's just agree to disagree..?
Quotes don't wanna work >.>
"By and large, people who bust out the "my vote doesn't matter" argument are younger voters.
This means that the voter turnout increases with age. From less than 20% to over 80%.
This also means the majority of this country's social and economic policy is decided by very old people with extremely outdated notions of how the world works.
You're just kinda okay with that?"
You're just making yourself out to be blissfully ignorant.
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Well he is right. 1 vote doesn't count.
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Well he is right. 1 vote doesn't count.
Then 10,000 votes don't count. Amirite?
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Every political system is flawed. Every single one. Some more than others, but the flaws are still there.
Votes mean jack ***. People these days change their votes more than their toilet paper.
Nowadays people just jump from faction to faction, party to party. People vote for the coolest looking "kid" on the block.
EDIT: Oh, and if you don't vote you have no right to discuss politics or complain about your countries current political situation. If you as a civilian have the oppurtunity to vote, and you don't because you think one vote won't make a difference, your opinion is invalid where it concerns politics.
Votes mean jack ***. People these days change their votes more than their toilet paper.
Nowadays people just jump from faction to faction, party to party. People vote for the coolest looking "kid" on the block.
EDIT: Oh, and if you don't vote you have no right to discuss politics or complain about your countries current political situation. If you as a civilian have the oppurtunity to vote, and you don't because you think one vote won't make a difference, your opinion is invalid where it concerns politics.
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Which brings this back to the begining. Oi.
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I actually hadn't thought about Jaerik's point that if younger people don't vote, then older people decide everything. I'm not sure that it's true that mostly younger people don't vote, the last presidential election my entire campus was in a voting frenzy and even gave out buttons and free bags of chips to kids who voted. It seemed like the vast majority of students did vote. But I don't know how the kids on my campus compare to other campuses or to the voting population as a whole. The thought of my parents and grandparents deciding everything is a bit panic-worthy. Old people are nuts. I wonder if there's a reliable way to track the ages of everyone who votes?
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Bahamut.Serj said:
Which brings this back to the begining. Oi.
Making myself out to be blissfully ignorant? Those are roughly the numbers of voter turnout by age.
The #1 reason given why younger people don't show up to vote?
"My vote doesn't count anyway."
The #1 reason given why younger people don't show up to vote?
"My vote doesn't count anyway."
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Dang Jaerik, I say I wish I could see ages and you pop out a chart. :D I love charts. Charts put babbling data into usable information. This helps my thoughts!
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Bahamut.Serj said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Well he is right. 1 vote doesn't count.
Then 10,000 votes don't count. Amirite?
You can argue that if everyone who didn't vote because they thought that theirs wouldn't count that the total number of votes would make a difference.
But guess what. If I go vote, that doesn't mean the other 9,999 people are going to go vote, and in the end it's still just that singular vote, which won't make a difference.
Oh. Gotcha. =D Sorry.
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Take the same logic and spin it backwards. Flawed logic because it works both ways.
Bahamut.Serj said:
Take the same logic and spin it backwards. Flawed logic because it works both ways.
How is it politics brings out arguments, even when it's not an actual political issue?
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Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
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But I could say if a whole 10k goes out and doesn't vote, it could make the difference. Arguing about your laziness doesn't make a valid point. People can be active or inactive. The group of 10k you would be in says "Well, even if I vote it doesn't mean others will!" is justifying your ignorance. I could say, "Because I don't go out vote, doesn't mean others won't!"
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Take the same logic and spin it backwards. Flawed logic because it works both ways.
Are you serious? I'm tired of hearing this silly black and white, childish argument over and over again.
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