Please Open If Horizon Had A $1 Monthly Fee Again

done. i will enjoy that it is purple like twitch :)

I know I have said this a bunch of times across many threads and platforms, but when I was asking lawyers about what would cross legal boundaries in regards to emulation, there were only a few things that they mentioned specifically to avoid.

1.) Avoid copyrighted artwork.
2.) Do not alter/remove/obfuscate logos or branding of the product/product owner.
3.) Do not host the software.

So...yeah. Emulation precedent is a horse long beaten to a pulp, so I won't get into the weeds on that. Does Horizon do the things above? I'm legitimately asking because I have intentionally avoided going anywhere near their software.

The people who made nostalrius were never hired in blizzard, infract they brought them and questioned their coding, they laughed at the private server source code on their reasoning of when onxyia's breath happens

If you actually read what I said, I never said they got hired there. I was a GM on Nost when all of this went down, and the way I remember it was they had been in contact with Blizzard and Blizzard had talked about bringing them in on an official classic project, so operating under the assumption that they had jobs working on the real thing they decided to just comply with the C&D instead of ignoring it like they previously had. Then Blizzcon happened a few months after they closed their doors and Blizzard claimed they had "no plans" to actually do Classic. The Nost dev team malded and "handed off" the database from Nost to some people who spun up Elysium (which would eventually become Light's Hope) and this more or less burned the bridge with Blizzard.

I didn't end up following the project over to Elysium, so I don't know how the rest of that story goes, (When Nost shut down that was the catalyst that led me back to FFXI) but I wouldn't be shocked if they never even managed to actually sit down with Blizzard again after that database handoff. It kind of doesn't matter cause Nost's thing was always "We'll close down if Blizzard does actual vanilla" from day 1, so in the end they got what they wanted.

Well played old chap, well played...

Work smarter, not harder

Doesn't matter if it was 1 or 100 PS shut down by the company, the point still remains the same...how did Blizzard send these guys a C&D? Did they have a Nostalrius llc? Send it to their headquarters?

My original point was: making a business is not relevant to liability, responsibility for your employees'/volunteers' actions, breaking copyright laws, etc. You save yourself exactly 0 of these problems by not incorporating a business.

I do believe that one of the last updates on Horizon, they were changing the logos and/or SE's branding? It was mentioned in one of the locked topics. I believe you even replied to it though.

They send it to your hosting provider, and then your hosting provider sends it to you. That was my experience anyway.

It was a rhetorical question, I was referring to this:


Which seems to imply that somehow as long as Horizon isn't run by a business, they don't have liabilities w/r/t copyright infringement, trademark violations, lawsuits for their staff, and so forth.

I dunno why people here care so much about Horizon or seeing private servers burn. Like if you play them then fine, if you play retail then also fine. I swear some people here have nothing going on in their life but to make drama.

I KNEW IT ALL ALONG.

Everyone loves a trainwreck, well besides the people on the train... but they knew the risks of joining an illegal server. I don't they aren't going anywhere unless SE decides to drop a nuke but the twitch is A-ok to laugh at

If they were actually changing logo's on the client, which is 100% owned by SE, then yeah that's bad. There are some nuances to it though around fair use, it's how the modding community can do what they do.

Idk, when they first launched they did not need the user to install ffxi at all their installer set everything up.

It caused windower issues since they didnt have everything done exactly how it is for retail and windower would crash as a result. got enough reports that I installed it to look into the issue but stopped caring about it so never resolve the "problem", we just redirect all the people looking for horizon help to their own discord.

All that you say at one point it did a ffxi client install, I can not say if that is still the case

Ashita4 can run FFXI without actually having to install the game. You still have to download the files, but you don't actually have to run thru the installation process so that's probably what they were doing.

Its a neat utility for people who just want to throw the game files onto an SSD and take it with them to different PCs, etc.

Yeah it just would constitute distributing the copyrighted work which could get them lit up.

but like I said, I do not know what their installer currently does. it sounded like they might make you do your own client install now?

Definitely depends. If they're just having people go to retail's website to download the client and then the installer just slaps their custom dat files on top of it then that might be fine? Having it as a peer-to-peer download also takes the burden off of them as well, so there's a lot going on.

I honestly didn't ask about custom data files when I was seeking legal counsel on this because we didn't have any plans to do that sort of thing back when I was doing it, so I'm not as confident about what sort of legality that may open them up to.

I mean I play on both, and from the PS side most players in the Horizon community know that it could be shutdown at any point but we still enjoy playing it - with a large chunk of them still subbed to retail also. They’re also just dissociated with all this drama and just play to have fun in an era they enjoyed. I would hate to think this but honestly i wouldn’t be surprised if the hate train was leading people to mass report others to SE.

Sad to see so many people from retail cheering to ruin people’s nostalgia and enjoyment.

We cummed together for the greater hood...

Not sure we are "cheering to ruin..." not sure how our cheering would cause the ruin.

but if you want to wear a cool tinfoil hat like mass reporting, you could wear an even bigger one and say:

Piracy is piracy.

Having played both, Horizon's community is definitely better. One I met who played with Sicycre and Okieeomi a lot on the live stream also plays on horizon with a different name.

You’re right, “cheering for the ruin of”. You got me on a mistype.


Honestly, how is it not? This subsection of the forums is unofficially dedicated to people crapping on PS/Horizon and serves no purpose then to stir hate.


Never said anything about that, but whatever. Also you really think it’s “tinfoil hat” for people to troll report private servers to SE? It’s not hard to hard, and I wouldn’t be shocked if people had done so already. Just like i wouldn’t be shocked if people reported streams for copyright.

The point is everyone here sweaty and desperate for drama.

The majority is very solid and fun, which I think is the main driver as to why it’s popular. MOST players know going into it 75 era is a grind, but atleast it’ll will be a grind other players.

It is actually just for crapping on Horizon, the rest of them don't go around bugging us ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I would be willing to bet that more people who don't care know about horizon than any other ffxi private server.

Where on the doll did Horizon hurt you? Or is it just the nature of FFXI players to create drama out of nothing. I didn’t see any posts declaring war on Niflheim, or XIAH for that matter.

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